I would have felt worse. Zetterberg shouldn't have to pay for Kronwall's misgivings.

Eye for an eye mentality is ruthless and inhumane.
- bradleyc4

But with the instigator rule in place, it is also one of the only ways to stop Kronwall.

Way to go Burkie.

- MBFlyerfan

love burke. his presser after the wilson firing was awesome. so honest. gives you so much more than anyone else.

Idk.. If you punch me.. im gonna punch you back. If Kronwall can run Czechie.. He better be ready for someone to run him.

I agree though that Zetterberg shouldnt have to pay. It should be Kronwall paying.
- jak521

Kronwall should have fought for injuring an opposing player, I agree. But he won't.

But he shouldn't be intentionally injured, nor should any of his teammates. That's barbaric.

But with the instigator rule in place, it is also one of the only ways to stop Kronwall.
- MBFlyerfan

I agree with you on the instigator rule.

Doesn't make it right, though.

But with the instigator rule in place, it is also one of the only ways to stop Kronwall.
- MBFlyerfan

If I recall correctly, Giroux tried to put a big check on Kronwall behind the Detroit net. A valiant effort, but the size match up wasn't favorable.

love burke. his presser after the wilson firing was awesome. so honest. gives you so much more than anyone else.
- OrangeBlack27

agreed

you hear this yet? the end is great
http://watch.tsn.ca/featured/clip632814#clip632814

No he didn't. Just like he didn't throw an elbow (as others have so righteously, and falsely pointed out)

No is debating that it was a head shot. But I am debating, and rightly so, that his head was not targeted for the hit, and if Voracek is being responsible himself, and has his head up like he supposed to, the contact is with his chest.

Does it make the hit the right thing to do? No, I don't think so.

When a player like Kronwall, who is clearly trying to do damage when he hits, can continually get away with it because the old mechanisms for policing it have been legislated out of the game, this will continue to happen.

Taking it out of the players hands has made it less safe for the players. because now discipline, if there is any, is always AFTER the fact.


- MBFlyerfan

There needs to be a code for immediate and quick policing put back in to the game. A Flyer SHOULD have been able to just grab Kronwall and wail on him without fear of getting an instigator penalty. Then after one or two of those incidents, you can guarantee Kronwall would tone his act down pretty fast.

As it is now, this stuff wont stop happening.

The hit was technically clean IMO, but it wasn't sporting, it wasn't respectful. The instigator has removed respect from the game.

I guess thats what a clean hit get you thes days. You want the rules called by todays standards (head shots), but take away the instigator and have the players police (old school)?
How about he keeps his head up, or even better he should have turtled before the hit and coughed up the puck like he was supposed to

Kronwall should have fought for injuring an opposing player, I agree. But he won't.

But he shouldn't be intentionally injured, nor should any of his teammates. That's barbaric.
- bradleyc4

I don't mean intentionally injure by any means. But if Kronwall is going to hit one of our skill players like that, and we can't respond by pounding Kronwall into next week, then it has to be known that one of their skill players is going to be targeted for a big hit in response.

Then the onus is put on Kronwall's teammates to get him to either stop, or back up his own hits on the ice. Hell, this is one of the reasons why Avery has worn out his welcome on every team he has played for.

I guess thats what a clean hit get you thes days. You want the rules called by todays standards (head shots), but take away the instigator and have the players police (old school)?
How about he keeps his head up, or even better he should have turtled before the hit and coughed up the puck like he was supposed to
- jdd0001

Coughed up the puck like he's supposed to? Wow, talk about entitled. Also, Rule 48 and the Instigator Rule are not mutually dependent, it sounds like you don't understand the function of either.

I guess thats what a clean hit get you thes days. You want the rules called by todays standards (head shots), but take away the instigator and have the players police (old school)?
How about he keeps his head up, or even better he should have turtled before the hit and coughed up the puck like he was supposed to
- jdd0001

Or NK could have fought Schenn and answered for the hit instead of being rat.

I don't mean intentionally injure by any means. But if Kronwall is going to hit one of our skill players like that, and we can't respond by pounding Kronwall into next week, then it has to be known that one of their skill players is going to be targeted for a big hit in response.

Then the onus is put on Kronwall's teammates to get him to either stop, or back up his own hits on the ice. Hell, this is one of the reasons why Avery has worn out his welcome on every team he has played for.
- MBFlyerfan

That is why I think the coaching staff should be getting on him about it. Eventually he will do this and instead of someone coming after him, they will go after dat or zet
- nails

Eventually needs to be now. Kronwall might not connect with that hit all the time, but he tries it every game.

I guess thats what a clean hit get you thes days. You want the rules called by todays standards (head shots), but take away the instigator and have the players police (old school)?
How about he keeps his head up, or even better he should have turtled before the hit and coughed up the puck like he was supposed to
- jdd0001

You clearly have no clue...

Bill Meltzer: Meltzer's Musings: 3/7/12
- bmeltzer

To busy to read all the posts... I did any one comment on Gordie/Mark father son combo with retired jerseys. Are they the only ones? I would assume the Brett/Bobby Hull may be in the same boat. Any others?

Bob McKenzie ‏ @TSNBobMcKenzie
No suppl disc for Kronwall on Voracek. PPOC was head but deemed full body on body hit. Not a hit NHL believes should be out of the game.
- BoomGoesTheCoburn

Exactly as I predicted last night. It was a nasty hit, but it was technically OK, as I saw it. Plus the fact that Shanny has consistently been inconsistent, just like Campbell was, I figured Kronwall would get off. As I said last night: Take down his (frank)ing number and tune him up when they meet in the SC Finals. (or next season if the Wings don't make it that far).

I guess thats what a clean hit get you thes days. You want the rules called by todays standards (head shots), but take away the instigator and have the players police (old school)?
How about he keeps his head up, or even better he should have turtled before the hit and coughed up the puck like he was supposed to
- jdd0001

There is a difference between a clean hit and skating around trying to intentionally injure another player. Besides, maybe you should read what I have been writing this whole time before you come in chirping half cocked.

You clearly have no clue...
- jak521

I eagerly await the explanation for how wanting Rule 48 enforced and the instigator repealed don't jive with each other.

- bradleyc4

Exactly as I predicted last night. It was a nasty hit, but it was technically OK, as I saw it. Plus the fact that Shanny has consistently been inconsistent, just like Campbell was, I figured Kronwall would get off. As I said last night: Take down his (frank)ing number and tune him up when they meet in the SC Finals.
- Lexington Flyer

I'm ok if teams start to tune up his forwards...

I don't mean intentionally injure by any means. But if Kronwall is going to hit one of our skill players like that, and we can't respond by pounding Kronwall into next week, then it has to be known that one of their skill players is going to be targeted for a big hit in response.

Then the onus is put on Kronwall's teammates to get him to either stop, or back up his own hits on the ice. Hell, this is one of the reasons why Avery has worn out his welcome on every team he has played for.
- MBFlyerfan

I knew exactly what you meant... and I agree 100%. Retribution.

Dont expect to just run a guy, hitting his head so hard his muscles go into spasm and separate him from consciousness, and expect it to go unanswered..

Eventually needs to be now. Kronwall might not connect with that hit all the time, but he tries it every game.
- wolfhounds

In fact he tried to hit Read the exact same way only minutes before. The only difference was that Read had his head up and saw it coming.

Coughed up the puck like he's supposed to? Wow, talk about entitled. Also, Rule 48 and the Instigator Rule are not mutually dependent, it sounds like you don't understand the function of either.
- BulliesPhan87

and your entitled to a free break out just because your player puts himself in a vulnerable position?

I eagerly await the explanation for how wanting Rule 48 enforced and the instigator repealed don't jive with each other.
- BulliesPhan87

They are like Mario and Luigi

agreed

you hear this yet? the end is great
http://watch.tsn.ca/featured/clip632814#clip632814
- Crimsoninja

hahaha :hangs up:

The Philadelphia Flyers have signed college goalie Cal Heeter to a two-year, $1.85 million contract. He posted a 13-11-5 record with a 2.45 goals-against average and a .918 save percentage with Ohio State University this season.
Source: Philadelphia Inquirer & Daily News

Anyone know if he is a legit prospect?
- stveshdy

i don't know if he's legit or not, but for some reason i posted a photo of him in the board about a year or two ago. i have no idea why, other than that i probably found his name to be funny.

i thought the flyers were at their contract limit?