Here you go Flyers fans. Pronger actually did retaliate for last night's hit.

He's actually Marty McFly and did it 5 years ago.

Grossman is quickly becoming my favorite Flyer next to Bryz Actually my Favorite is Pronger but he's not playing. ANd despite the rough year Bryz is definitely up there. I think he's going to be a good goalie for us through the years.

GrossmanN is someone this team needed in a bad way. I think him and Kubina are a big reason Bryz is looking better. The Flyers aren't getting walked all over down low.

Oh and For the Pens fan that said that,

I actually got banned from B/R for a few days cause I went ape poop on a pens fan who was talking bad about Talbot and telling me we should have just kept asham! Don't get me wrong I loved Asham but him leaving was a business decision and I'll take Talbot over Asham anyday.
- JoeRussomanno

The bolded is huge. The fact that they can beat a team like Detroit while missing Timmonen, and Mesaros (and Pronger) speaks volumes to the value that those big bodied additions have brought to the team. I like Kubina as well. He is a good shot blocker and also has a substantial mean streak. I liked Asham. He always went 100% and was a good team guy. Had deceptively good hands too. Talbot has just been lights out though. He does what is asked of him and more.

Gee, I didn't realize they were here the whole month of February.
- bodiva88

For the way Grossmann plays he only has one Kubina too. Tough physical players that can stay out of the box!

Oh and Grossman didn't get here until the 18th, not sure what you meant about the whole month thing.

And everybody in here would be celebrating such a "massive, clean and legal hit" ...people need to take off the orange and black glasses for once
- keatondixon

Nah I disagree...when Richards hit Booth which was deemed okay at the time, I thought it was a terrible hit.

My stance is the head contact and making the big hit versus playing the puck. Each player has a chance to play the puck versus laying a big hit from time to time. But, they want to be on ESPN (highlight reel).

then again the league can "try" to make all the right calls if the players don't respect each other you going to have hits such as these on a regular basis even if they are legal.

Plus, if you are going to make these types of hit and the team wants you to pay, i expect the player to stand up for himself. Watching Kronwall turtle in some of the clips is sad.

If any idiot on skates can lay a big hit, someone on the Flyers should have destroyed Zetterberg, or Franzen with a monster hit.

Kronwall doesn't fight it's not his game, sure it's kinda chickenpoop to not answer for your actions, but his actions weren't dirty, he laid a huge clean hard check on a player that put himself in a prone position, nothing more, nothing less.
- PLindbergh31

Coburn had an opportunity to send zberg into the second row last night but didnt. He isnt that type of player, and hurting another human shouldnt be at the top of your priority list.

I dont think I will ever watch another Shanny video or read another rule. Clearly they have their own super secret book that no one else can read.

Here you go Flyers fans. Pronger actually did retaliate for last night's hit.

He's actually Marty McFly and did it 5 years ago.


- rockychocbill

That Alfreddson hit was dangerous.

Voracek himself said the hit was clean, per Timmy P.

The bolded is huge. The fact that they can beat a team like Detroit while missing Timmonen, and Mesaros (and Pronger) speaks volumes to the value that those big bodied additions have brought to the team. I like Kubina as well. He is a good shot blocker and also has a substantial mean streak. I liked Asham. He always went 100% and was a good team guy. Had deceptively good hands too. Talbot has just been lights out though. He does what is asked of him and more.
- Lexington Flyer

No doubt! I said a little while ago I think it was after the Edmonton game that this team should round into a tough defensive team now with these two. They really give you a lot of things we lost with Pronger. Furthermore I think if Pronger was here the whole time things would have been different. I don't think Bryz would have looked as bad at times and I think we win at least one game against the Rags and one against Boston.

Cant wait to see how the Flyers look with the new guys against the Bruins and Rags. Hopefully we get Kimo and Mez back soon too!

Asham was heckuva player don't get me wrong. I'm just saying the tradeoff with what we have now is something I'd prefer. If Rinaldo had better hands he'd be a complete replacement for Asham himself. I'll take Talbot all day though.

That Alfreddson hit was dangerous.
- bradleyc4

Very.

pretty good article on the Grabbo contract.

http://theleafsnation.com...-signs-comparisons-abound

if you scroll down, it shows the % of the total cap that each comparable player's deal is....and where Grabbo's ranks.
- bradleyc4

wow @ elias's deal if it were signed today LOL

And everybody in here would be celebrating such a "massive, clean and legal hit" ...people need to take off the orange and black glasses for once
- keatondixon

Voracek needs to keep his head up. Its a crushing check no denying that. He didnt get suspended so that makes the hit clean.

Voracek needs to keep his head up. Its a crushing check no denying that. He didnt get suspended so that makes the hit clean.
- stveshdy

Really to me its a dead issue at this time. Jake said he should have kept his head up. I thought Kornhole violated rule 48 but at this point its a dead issue.

Voracek needs to keep his head up. Its a crushing check no denying that. He didnt get suspended so that makes the hit clean.
- stveshdy

show me a vid of a hit that drew a suspension that looks like that does

Voracek needs to keep his head up. Its a crushing check no denying that. He didnt get suspended so that makes the hit clean.
- stveshdy

I disagree with this reasoning. Without regard to this specific hit, the official ruling, to me, does not dictate whether a certain play was or was not legal.

show me a vid of a hit that drew a suspension that looks like that does
- Crimsoninja

Theres no vid to get. The hit was legal accoriding to the NHL. Voracek has to do a better job of protecting himself (keeping his head up). You think there should be a suspension?

I disagree with this reasoning. Without regard to this specific hit, the official ruling, to me, does not dictate whether a certain play was or was not legal.
- wilsonecho91

Well the league probably reviewed the hit numerous times. They felt it was a legal hit. Whats to argue? I can say its a dirty hit but that doesnt change a thing.

Theres no vid to get. The hit was legal accoriding to the NHL. Voracek has to do a better job of protecting himself (keeping his head up). You think there should be a suspension?
- stveshdy

nope. just saying that people are claiming inconsistencies, so i'd like to see vid of a hit that looked like that which drew a suspension

nope. just saying that people are claiming inconsistencies, so i'd like to see vid of a hit that looked like that which drew a suspension
- Crimsoninja

dude, stop.

Voracek needs to keep his head up. Its a crushing check no denying that. He didnt get suspended so that makes the hit clean.
- stveshdy

I don't get it. I thought any hit that's principal point of contact is the head is a suspendable offense. I don't think you have to target the head, because it is subjective whether you think someone targets something. Should be take away boarding penalities and suspensions if the board wasnt on purpose?

nope. just saying that people are claiming inconsistencies, so i'd like to see vid of a hit that looked like that which drew a suspension
- Crimsoninja

I didnt think the hit deserved a suspension. Voracek got caught with his head down. Whether Kronwall could of avoided the hit is something completely different. He sized up the check and laid him out. It happens. I understand Voracek could of been seriously hurt but the check was ruled clean.

Well the league probably reviewed the hit numerous times. They felt it was a legal hit. Whats to argue? I can say its a dirty hit but that doesnt change a thing.
- stveshdy

of course not. but i have little faith in the league's discipline system when you can just as easily envision a suspension video as you can no discipline whatsoever.

dude, stop.
- OrangeBlack27

im in an agruing mood

Can someone explain to me how Kronwall doesn't get 2 games for the head shot. He got nothing but head with that hit.

I don't get it. I thought any hit that's principal point of contact is the head is a suspendable offense. I don't think you have to target the head, because it is subjective whether you think someone targets something. Should be take away boarding penalities and suspensions if the board wasnt on purpose?
- RooNosHockey

48.1 Illegal Check to the Head – A hit resulting in contact with an opponent's head where the head is targeted and the principal point of contact is not permitted. However, in determining whether such a hit should have been permitted, the circumstances of the hit, including whether the opponent put himself in a vulnerable position immediately prior to or simultaneously with the hit or the head contact on an otherwise legal body check was avoidable, can be considered.
http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=64063

I don't get it. I thought any hit that's principal point of contact is the head is a suspendable offense. I don't think you have to target the head, because it is subjective whether you think someone targets something. Should be take away boarding penalities and suspensions if the board wasnt on purpose?
- RooNosHockey

Not any hit to the head. Rule 48 states that there are mitigating circumstances that will make certain hits unpunished.

Voracek himself says it was a clean hit, and that he was at fault for putting himself in a bad position.

For the afternoon, maybe we could change gears and look at the Zapruder film or some of the Loch Ness videos and see if we can pick out Nessie.