I'm so sad that you're got very little to be happy about this season, that this is your reason to smile.
- Doppleganger

deflect deflect deflect.

Been point these truths out for a LONG time.

deflect deflect deflect.

Been point these truths out for a LONG time.
- prock

We get it, you would prefer Phaneuf over Karlsson.

Karlsson leads the league in giveaways
thats a stat dopps swears by.. must be killing him

Karlsson leads the league in giveaways
thats a stat dopps swears by.. must be killing him
- senstroll

Hummmm, a little perspective here............


You're correct, Karlsson leads all defence-men with 103 giveaways, seven more than Niklas Hjalmarsson who has 96.

However Karlsson also has 63 takeaways, second among all defence-men, way more than Hjalmarsson's 19.


So if you subtract the takeaways from the giveaways, it might seem that Hjalmarsson is more of a defensive liability than Karlsson, when you take everything into consideration.


Karlsson spends an average of 27:11 TOI/game while Hjalmarsson plays an average of 21:16 per game.


So Karlsson plays an average of 6 more minutes per game than Hjalmarsson, and I'll bet there is not a player who has" time of possession of the puck" more than Karlsson................so on balance he's not as terrible as those who are trying to paint him that way.

Oh did I mention he is the first Defence-man to reach the 20 goals/50 assists level, playing at less than 100%, since Brian Leech?

Karlsson leads the league in giveaways
thats a stat dopps swears by.. must be killing him
- senstroll

Karlsson is leading his team to missing the playoffs

Karlsson is leading his team to missing the playoffs
- watsonnostaw

Kessel, who is third overall among forwards in the NHL, with 87 giveaways, is leading the leafs directly into the lottery draft.


Taylor Hall 95 giveaways.......72 takeaways
Joe Thornton 91 giveaways..70takeaways
Phil Kessel 87 giveaways.....36 takeaways

Phil is not too good at takeaways, is he?

Hummmm, a little perspective here............



- Doppleganger

the point was the stat means little and are notoriously inaccurate
but you analyze it to no end to make points

Kessel, who is third overall among forwards in the NHL, with 87 giveaways, is leading the leafs directly into the lottery draft.


Taylor Hall 95 giveaways.......72 takeaways
Joe Thornton 91 giveaways..70takeaways
Phil Kessel 87 giveaways.....36 takeaways

Phil is not too good at takeaways, is he?
- Doppleganger

did you just compare the god defenseman to a bunch of forwards?

Karlsson is of course a good defenseman. Best player on the team by a good measure.

I go back to my first post in the thread. NOTE: the context was about his Norris trophy chances (he ended up winning). I first started by talking about how high-event it is with him on the ice (GF and GA).

None of this indicates he's a bad player, or an unremarkable player (he is remarkable), but it certainly indicates a player who succeeds MOSTLY by outscoring. and he's a great outscorer who can make some average, but certainly unspectacular defensive plays. And of course he's only at the beginning of his career and progress.

And he has gotten better. So that's encouraging. I don't watch a ton of Ottawa games, so I put it to Sens fans: Does anything in particular happen when Karlsson isn't on the ice?

did you just compare the god defenseman to a bunch of forwards?
- watsonnostaw

As far as I know, Taylor Hall, Joe Thornton and Phil Kessel are all forwards, and are the top three forwards in the NHL in giveaways.

The Stat of P% is used by the NHL, to put a little perspective on comparing teams who've played a different number of games.


This is because the NHL is the only Major sports league in North America that uses a points system, rather than Winning percentage that ALL other Major sports league in North America uses.
- Doppleganger

ok.. not following how this relates

ok.. not following how this relates
- senstroll

it doesnt

ok.. not following how this relates
- senstroll

Mixing up threads, can't keep all the balls in the air, all of the time. Perhaps it's early onset Alzheimer's?

Thanks for pointing that out to me, now I better go down stairs to see if I put the roast in the oven or the refrigerator.................

the point was the stat means little and are notoriously inaccurate
but you analyze it to no end to make points

- senstroll

take two..............


Apparently it means something to all the Karlsson bashers, as it's the one thing they continually bring up.

Karlsson is of course a good defenseman. Best player on the team by a good measure.

I go back to my first post in the thread. NOTE: the context was about his Norris trophy chances (he ended up winning). I first started by talking about how high-event it is with him on the ice (GF and GA).



And he has gotten better. So that's encouraging. I don't watch a ton of Ottawa games, so I put it to Sens fans: Does anything in particular happen when Karlsson isn't on the ice?
- Morris

It's like everything just goes into slow motion... I swear I've seen Phillips spend 5 minutes just trying to skate from blueline-to-blueline.

By Graeme Nichols, OTTAWA CITIZEN April 6, 2014

One of the biggest criticisms of Karlsson during the 2011-12 season pertained to his usage. That’s because he averaged two fewer minutes of shorthanded ice-time per game than players like Zdeno Chara or Shea Weber, an indication of his defensive limitations.

This season, Karlsson has seen his distribution of ice time change. Not only is he playing a larger percentage of his team’s minutes at even strength and on the power play, Karlsson has gone from playing 9.2 percent of his team’s shorthanded minutes in 2011-12 to 25.1 percent this season (see Graph 1: Using ExtraSkater.com’s numbers, the graph shows the percentage of Ottawa’s even strength (EV Tm%), power play (PP Tm%) and shorthanded (SH Tm%) that Karlsson plays).


good article, read it all at
http://www.ottawacitizen....rlsson/9707226/story.html




http://www.extraskater.co.../erik-karlsson#production

By Graeme Nichols, OTTAWA CITIZEN April 6, 2014

One of the biggest criticisms of Karlsson during the 2011-12 season pertained to his usage. That’s because he averaged two fewer minutes of shorthanded ice-time per game than players like Zdeno Chara or Shea Weber, an indication of his defensive limitations.

This season, Karlsson has seen his distribution of ice time change. Not only is he playing a larger percentage of his team’s minutes at even strength and on the power play, Karlsson has gone from playing 9.2 percent of his team’s shorthanded minutes in 2011-12 to 25.1 percent this season (see Graph 1: Using ExtraSkater.com’s numbers, the graph shows the percentage of Ottawa’s even strength (EV Tm%), power play (PP Tm%) and shorthanded (SH Tm%) that Karlsson plays).


good article, read it all at
http://www.ottawacitizen....rlsson/9707226/story.html




http://www.extraskater.co.../erik-karlsson#production
- Doppleganger

Well that explains the astronomical rise in goals against and plummeting PK%.

Well that explains the astronomical rise in goals against and plummeting PK%.
- prock

Agreed. Just because you played pk doesn't make you good at it.

Bob McKenzie

TSN Hockey Insider

http://www.tsn.ca/end-of-...ours-and-mcdavid-1.249213


questions asked of 20 NHL head coaches – 10 in the Eastern Conference and 10 in the Western Conference

3. Who are your top three for the Norris Trophy as the NHL’s top defenceman?


............................................Nevertheless, Karlsson received eight first-place votes, twice as many as Los Angeles King Doughty (4) and four times as many as the only other two blueliners – teammates Shea Weber and Roman Josi, two apiece – to get multiple first-place votes.

The Weber-Josi dynamic is fascinating. Weber’s name has been regularly mentioned as a Norris candidate but it’s clear the coaches have been wowed by his Swiss teammate. Weber had a slight edge in balloting over Josi – he showed up on seven ballots to Josi’s six – but it was tight.

Other defencemen who got one first-place vote included Montreal’s P.K. Subban, injured Flame Giordano, Minnesota’s Ryan Suter, and Chicago’s Duncan Keith. Other defencemen who got at least one vote included Pittsburgh’s Kris Letang, Montreal’s Andrei Markov, Ranger Ryan McDonagh and San Jose’s Brent Burns.

Once you tally up all the balloting, though, the final Norris standings amongst contending blueliners are as follows: Karlsson, Doughty, Subban, Weber, Josi, and Giordano.......................................

Steve Simmons is not a fan

steve simmons @simmonssteve
Biggest game of year for Ottawa and the Norris Trophy candidate is minus-3 after 20 minutes. Hmm. Not my favourite.

Steve Simmons is not a fan
- senstroll

+/- is probably the most important stat in hockey, after all.

Is Karlsson still better than Bobby Orr?

Steve Simmons is not a fan
- senstroll

if steve simmons doesn't like his game.....i take that as a positive.

there is not a more clueless person on earth than steve simmons (damien cox, prock, and dopps are pretty close)

Is Karlsson still better than Bobby Orr?
- the_cause2000