You missed Gernat, Musil and Davidson, to say nothing of the strides Petry has taken this year.
- GuyLaDouche

Yeah. Umm, "missed them"

Yeah. Umm, "missed them"
- prock

Cool. So now that we've established you don't really know much about our prospects...

You're STILL butthurt that I was so bang on about the Habs being so screwed, aren't you? I even nailed the timeline down.

I LOVE that of all those canadian teams, the Habs are by far the most screwed. Well, I guess Calgary gives them a run.
- prock

No i don't care what you think so not sure why you think i do. We should follow the leafs method of rebuilding and we will be fine LMAO. Leafs are awesome

No i don't care what you think so not sure why you think i do. We should follow the leafs method of rebuilding and we will be fine LMAO. Leafs are awesome
- jordan456789

It would be better than trading prospects for guys like Gomez and signing dead weight like Markov and Gionta. Or drafting headcase crap like Price and Subban, or picking useless players like Leblanc simply because they're french.

Lmao. Your team is screwed.

It would be better than trading prospects for guys like Gomez and signing dead weight like Markov and Gionta. Or drafting headcase crap like Price and Subban, or picking useless players like Leblanc simply because they're french.

Lmao. Your team is screwed.
- prock

I know they all suck and we should trade them all for late picks and follow the leafs mold. They are in great shape and are gearing up for another playoff run. Your insight is awesome can i be your friend?

I know they all suck and we should trade them all for late picks and follow the leafs mold. They are in great shape and are gearing up for another playoff run. Your insight is awesome can i be your friend?
- jordan456789

You have nothing. Your team is phucked. I know it. You know. Just like I told you.

And i said the sens would be rebuilding while keeping the team somewhat cpmpetitive,BM has done a much better job at finding and drafting youth in his 4 years with ottawa than has burke,we have finished in the bottom 10 twice and made the PO including this season twice.What,s BB excuse
- top shelf 15

And, everything you have said is true.

I was not a believer in the route that Murray followed. I thought he should have traded away more assets, including Spezza, and that the Senators should seek lottery picks again this year and next. I was wrong. Murray has done a phenomenal job. Burke has failed to do what he ought to do and he has not avoided doing what he ought not do.

It is time for Leaf fans and management to look at the Senators to try and find some encouragement for rebuilding.

And they didn't stay anywhere near competitive.

I was right, you were wrong. I know your team better than you.
- prock

Yes you got it exactly right. Karlsson is terrible defensively and a liability to the team. Spezza is just a very bad contract and Burke outfoxed Murray when he stole Kadri from under his nose and forced Ottawa to settle for Cowen. You have been very helpful in keeping Leaf fans sharply focused on sticking with the Blue and White path to glory. At least we can say we will not follow the path of Murray. We will strike out and invent our own way to the promised land. But God only made the Israelites stay 40 years in the wilderness.

You are still trying to have a discussion with someone that is not capable of being logical so you are wasting your time. He says everyone is crap every year and when they have a bad season says i told you so. I would like to hear his excuse for BB but i bet he will avoid that question. Habs are only 4 points behind the mighty leafs after trading away some players but they suck and the leafs are awesome.
- jordan456789

Actually, you are partially right. For the last few years many of the Leaf fans compared themselves to Oiler fans and their situation. In order to distract from the incredibly painful situation of the Bruins taking Seguin in the draft, some leaf fans here tried to demonstrate how competitively bad the Oilers actually were. In doing this it took away the sting of another losing season and allowed people some relief in knowing the Leafs would not have to languish outside the playoff hunt for long. But the Oil got skilled and entertaining so Leaf fans shifted to the Senators who they were sure would wallow outside the playoffs. The Senators they were certain would also see 7 years of famine. But Murray screwed them up.

Now the Leafs are left to examine their own failings. But, wait, maybe we can compare the Leafs to the Canadiens and tell ourselves that we are not so bad. Surely, the Canadiens will need to spend 7 years without hope.

I know he is a troll at times but he can have a decent discussion now and again
- top shelf 15

Recovery is not possible unless you are prepared to admit you have a problem. I believe Prock would have one of the better insights into Leaf options and pathways if he allowed himself to acknowledge the problem. In his head he knows the failings. He has yet to accept those failings into his heart and acknowledge the very deep pain that reality cuts. The Leafs are a 10th place team. We all said that at the beginning of the season. They may regress next year. Nothing in their system suggests they have the potential to become an elite team.

Let's be honest though. Just about every canadian team is a big mess right now.

The leafs are trying to rebuild, and improving, but don't really have the caliber of prospects to give them a shot. The best thing that can happen to them right now is a lottery pick.

The habs are just starting their rebuild, have almost no prospects to build from, and have the same kind of team full of overpaid vets that the leafs did in the mccabe, kaberle, sundin era. They have some work to do, just to clear house first.

Ottawa started to rebuild, seems to me like they're trying to pull out way too quickly. Trading off picks and prospects to fill holes with substandard players.

Vancouver is probably in the best current shape. But do you really see that core winning a cup? I don't.

Edmonton has gotten gotten some nice picks, but they've used them all on forwards. I think they've made a huge mistake totally neglecting their defense and goaltending SO badly. They're practically starting from scratch on the backend. Its left them with YEARS of work, imo.

Calgary. Well, do I really have to explain?

Winnipeg seems to be coming around a little. They have some pieces there I like. They may be in the best shape of all in a few years.


None of them are in great shape, as far as I'm concerned. There are major holes in every one. When was the last time a canadian team was really THE favourite to win the cup. When you think of the best teams over the past decade.... Detroit comes to mind. Pittsburgh. San jose is regularly up there. Chicago. I think philly built some teams that could have done it, but fell short (and I hate philly, but can admit that). LA built a hell of a team, I can't figure them out. Are there any canadian teams you've looked at over the past ten years that you can really say have built a team to seriously, regularly compete for the cup?
- prock[/img]

So incredibly detached from reality. Obvious for everyone to see. The focus of failure upon everyone else allows me to detach from my own reality, my own failings and the deep emotional pain that it causes me.

It is easy to rip on a man when he is down and hurting as much as Prock appears to be. But, the greater man sees his suffering and allows for the wild swings in his thinking. This is not the time for everyone to pile on. We can step back and provide some understanding. Most Leaf fans have been to the bottom where Prock is now. Some of us broke through to the other side and no longer carry the pain of perpetual failure. Prock is so close to breaking through. Offer him the kindness and support that will make the next stage of his journey a little easier.

And, everything you have said is true.

I was not a believer in the route that Murray followed. I thought he should have traded away more assets, including Spezza, and that the Senators should seek lottery picks again this year and next. I was wrong. Murray has done a phenomenal job. Burke has failed to do what he ought to do and he has not avoided doing what he ought not do.

It is time for Leaf fans and management to look at the Senators to try and find some encouragement for rebuilding.
- spatso

Wow, you've finally seen what I've been trying to tell you for over a year. You wanted Murray to trade a Player, who had a NMC, but could not understand that he couldn't and therefore didn't.

Also the thought that a GM would strip down his team, in a race to the bottom of the standings, as the only way to rebuild a team was flawed IMHO. Fans would have seen through that and would not have come to the games.

Murray assessed his team just over a year ago, traded away the Veterans that he could (those WITHOUT NMCs) and kept the ones he wanted to include in the three year re-build. Use the first and second round picks to restock the farm system, and moved a number of Calder Cup Champions onto the Senators roster and of course hired a new Coaching staff.

So incredibly detached from reality. Obvious for everyone to see. The focus of failure upon everyone else allows me to detach from my own reality, my own failings and the deep emotional pain that it causes me.

It is easy to rip on a man when he is down and hurting as much as Prock appears to be. But, the greater man sees his suffering and allows for the wild swings in his thinking. This is not the time for everyone to pile on. We can step back and provide some understanding. Most Leaf fans have been to the bottom where Prock is now. Some of us broke through to the other side and no longer carry the pain of perpetual failure. Prock is so close to breaking through. Offer him the kindness and support that will make the next stage of his journey a little easier.
- spatso

Actually, I think it's your pain that can't deal with the reality I've just posted. No Canadian teams have won the cup in almost 20 years, and that doesn't appear to be set to change anytime soon. I'd like to say differently, but I don't see it being the case. Unfortunately, all the the teams that have established themselves as consistent contenders for a period, over the past decade.... all American. Is it Bettman's influence? The effects of the dollar still not evened themselves out? I have no idea. But it's true.

Actually, I think it's your pain that can't deal with the reality I've just posted. No Canadian teams have won the cup in almost 20 years, and that doesn't appear to be set to change anytime soon. I'd like to say differently, but I don't see it being the case. Unfortunately, all the the teams that have established themselves as consistent contenders for a period, over the past decade.... all American. Is it Bettman's influence? The effects of the dollar still not evened themselves out? I have no idea. But it's true.
- prock

WRONG AGAIN.

Montreal won the Cup 19 years ago, and every other Canadian based team (except toronto) have (at the very least) WON their Conference, and made it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

You can now add Winnipeg (if you wish some company) to toronto as a Canadian based team that has NOT won It's Conference within the last 20 years, and made it to the Finals.

Happy trolling.

WRONG AGAIN.

Montreal won the Cup 19 years ago, and every other Canadian based team (except toronto) have WON their Conference, and made it to the Stanley Cup Finals.

You can now add Winnipeg (if you wish some company) to toronto as a Canadian based team that has NOT won It's Conference within the last 20 years, and made it to the Finals.

Happy trolling.
- Doppleganger

Are you saying 19 years doesn't qualify as "almost 20 years"?

Serious question - are you retarded?

Are you saying 19 years doesn't qualify as "almost 20 years"?

Serious question - are you retarded?
- prock

Are you saying that 19 years ago (1993), is a longer time period that 20 years ago(1992)?

Happy trolling.

Are you saying that 19 years ago (1993), is a longer time period that 20 years ago(1992)?

Happy trolling.
- Doppleganger

I never said "longer than 20 years", I said "almost 20 years".

You really ARE retarded.

I never said "longer than 20 years", I said "almost 20 years".

You really ARE retarded.
- prock

Never said that, but nice try at covering up a huge mistake when you said "No Canadian teams have won the cup in almost 20 years".

Montreal won the Cup 19 years ago.

Happy trolling.

Never said that, but nice try at covering up a huge mistake when you said "No Canadian teams have won the cup in almost 20 years".

Montreal won the Cup 19 years ago.

Happy trolling.

Please re-read the bolded, with emphasis on the bolded italic underlined word

Please re-read the bolded, with emphasis on the bolded italic underlined word
- mfreedman

It's like there is no comprehension of simple English there. I'm sure he thinks he's coming out as some genius here, but this is the perfect example of why everyone things there is someone with the intellect of a monkey behind his keyboard.

Please re-read the bolded, with emphasis on the bolded italic underlined word
- mfreedman

"Almost 20 years" ago would be the end of the 1991 1992 season and playoffs, in June of 1992.

It's like there is no comprehension of simple English there. I'm sure he thinks he's coming out as some genius here, but this is the perfect example of why everyone things there is someone with the intellect of a monkey behind his keyboard.
- prock

Don't be silly, you misspoke, and should admitted it by now.


"Almost 20 years ago" would be the end of the 1991 1992 season and playoffs, in June of 1992.

Happy trolling

"Almost years" ago would be the end of the 1991 1992 season and playoffs, in June of 1992.
- Doppleganger

You said that they won the cup 19 years ago.

19, in my opinion and most others, qualifies as almost 20 years. I am not disputing the NHL conversation here, I am disputing the fact that saying almost 20 years, is a good indicator of 19 years. Not sure how you can argue this.

You said that they won the cup 19 years ago.

19, in my opinion and most others, qualifies as almost 20 years. I am not disputing the NHL conversation here, I am disputing the fact that saying almost 20 years, is a good indicator of 19 years. Not sure how you can argue this.
- mfreedman

To all people with a brain in their head, that's correct.

We see one person that disagrees.

You said that they won the cup 19 years ago.

19, in my opinion and most others, qualifies as almost 20 years. I am not disputing the NHL conversation here, I am disputing the fact that saying almost 20 years, is a good indicator of 19 years. Not sure how you can argue this.
- mfreedman

Well in the context of a hockey season, his statement is off by one year, he made a mistake and will fight to the death to prove he's right. But I believe he should just
put on his big boy pants, and admit he forgot about the Canadiens winning the Cup Almost 19 years ago this June.

It's like if I said the leafs haven't won a cup in almost 46 years, and expected not to be corrected on it by a leaf fan pointing out that they actually won it almost 45 years ago.

Being off by one year, is still being off by one year in both instances.