I am not going to look it up but think Turris was younger which is an important factor. Also Bozaks numbers last year were not that great and all of a sudden playing with two guys that are having great years he is much improved. Is he that good or a product of his line mates? By the way nice dancing around the question
- jordan456789

And two years ago bozaks numbers were very good.

Turris has never had good numbers. Because he's just not that good.

But hey, its funny that you're using age to justify Turris being less of a player, because that's how they're trying to justify paying the price of their best prospect AND a second. By saying Turris is NHL ready (sure, ready to be a crap player), and Rundblad isn't.

Either way, its all good. Maybe it works out for the Sens and he eventually develops into a player of Bozaks caliber. A player the Leafs got for free.

And two years ago bozaks numbers were very good.

Turris has never had good numbers. Because he's just not that good.

But hey, its funny that you're using age to justify Turris being less of a player, because that's how they're trying to justify paying the price of their best prospect AND a second. By saying Turris is NHL ready (sure, ready to be a crap player), and Rundblad isn't.

Either way, its all good. Maybe it works out for the Sens and he eventually develops into a player of Bozaks caliber. A player the Leafs got for free.
- prock

Give up man your arguement is getting weaker

Give up man your arguement is getting weaker
- top shelf 15

Huh? That's the truth. You're trying to justify the trade by saying Turris is NHL ready. Bozak is NHL better.

Huh? That's the truth. You're trying to justify the trade by saying Turris is NHL ready. Bozak is NHL better.
- prock

No you are trying to bash a 22 year old player, by comparing him to a 26 year old playing top line mins with two of the better scoring wingers in the nhl.

No you are trying to bash a 22 year old player, by comparing him to a 26 year old playing top line mins with two of the better scoring wingers in the nhl.
- top shelf 15

Bozak is 25.

How am I bashing him? If he can start to pick up his development from his current pace, in a few years, maybe he can be as good as Bozak. That's flattering to him.

Bozak is 25.

How am I bashing him? If he can start to pick up his development from his current pace, in a few years, maybe he can be as good as Bozak. That's flattering to him.
- prock

Know one reason why iam not at all worried about KT being good,it because you dont have much of a track record of predicting anything right, and another is you keep on about him which makes me think you are worried he might be better than you thought

Know one reason why iam not at all worried about KT being good,it because you dont have much of a track record of predicting anything right, and another is you keep on about him which makes me think you are worried he might be better than you thought
- top shelf 15

Not sure why we even try and have a discussion with him. He hates every other Canadian team except the leafs and has a major bias and they can do no right. He has to be one of the biggest trolls/idiots on the site.

Know one reason why iam not at all worried about KT being good,it because you dont have much of a track record of predicting anything right, and another is you keep on about him which makes me think you are worried he might be better than you thought
- top shelf 15

really? I find it funny, that about 3 or 4 years ago, I was telling sens fans they'd be needing a rebuild, and Habs fans they would be shortly thereafter. The rosters were both full of overpriced vets, and it reminded me of the 05/06 Leafs.

Sens fans insisted that wouldn't happen, and they were immune to that, because their team "rebuilt while competing". Lol. Habs fans insisted they were true contenders, and would NEVER be a basement team with Price in net.

Like clockwork, the Sens plummeted, followed by the Habs.

that's why its funny you two are sitting there trying to talk crap.. Perhaps it bothers you that I knew your team better than you.

really? I find it funny, that about 3 or 4 years ago, I was telling sens fans they'd be needing a rebuild, and Habs fans they would be shortly thereafter. The rosters were both full of overpriced vets, and it reminded me of the 05/06 Leafs.

Sens fans insisted that wouldn't happen, and they were immune to that, because their team "rebuilt while competing". Lol. Habs fans insisted they were true contenders, and would NEVER be a basement team with Price in net.

Like clockwork, the Sens plummeted, followed by the Habs.

that's why its funny you two are sitting there trying to talk crap.. Perhaps it bothers you that I knew your team better than you.
- prock

And i said the sens would be rebuilding while keeping the team somewhat cpmpetitive,BM has done a much better job at finding and drafting youth in his 4 years with ottawa than has burke,we have finished in the bottom 10 twice and made the PO including this season twice.What,s BB excuse

And i said the sens would be rebuilding while keeping the team somewhat cpmpetitive,BM has done a much better job at finding and drafting youth in his 4 years with ottawa than has burke,we have finish in the bottom 10 twice and made the PO including this season twice.What,s BB excuse
- top shelf 15

And they didn't stay anywhere near competitive.

I was right, you were wrong. I know your team better than you.

And they didn't stay anywhere near competitive.

I was right, you were wrong. I know your team better than you.
- prock

Yeah ok just like your prediction for this season I said ottawa could be just as good if not better than the leafs looks like i was right

Yeah ok just like your prediction for this season I said ottawa could be just as good if not better than the leafs looks like i was right
- top shelf 15

So the Sens didn't remain competitive right? You were wrong.

So the Sens didn't remain competitive right? You were wrong.
- prock

Have we not made the playoffs since then are we not on pace to get there again this season??Compared to Toronto we look like the bruins as far as being competitive really

And i said the sens would be rebuilding while keeping the team somewhat cpmpetitive,BM has done a much better job at finding and drafting youth in his 4 years with ottawa than has burke,we have finished in the bottom 10 twice and made the PO including this season twice.What,s BB excuse
- top shelf 15

You are still trying to have a discussion with someone that is not capable of being logical so you are wasting your time. He says everyone is crap every year and when they have a bad season says i told you so. I would like to hear his excuse for BB but i bet he will avoid that question. Habs are only 4 points behind the mighty leafs after trading away some players but they suck and the leafs are awesome.

You are still trying to have a discussion with someone that is not capable of being logical so you are wasting your time. He says everyone is crap every year and when they have a bad season says i told you so. I would like to hear his excuse for BB but i bet he will avoid that question. Habs are only 4 points behind the mighty leafs after trading away some players but they suck and the leafs are awesome.
- jordan456789

I know he is a troll at times but he can have a decent discussion now and again

You are still trying to have a discussion with someone that is not capable of being logical so you are wasting your time. He says everyone is crap every year and when they have a bad season says i told you so. I would like to hear his excuse for BB but i bet he will avoid that question. Habs are only 4 points behind the mighty leafs after trading away some players but they suck and the leafs are awesome.
- jordan456789

With one decent prospect and a roster full of players that need to be bought out. The habs are screwed for the foreseeable future.

I know he is a troll at times but he can have a decent discussion now and again
- top shelf 15

As long as it is not about any Canadian maybe but i don't see many discussions where he is not being a troll.

With one decent prospect and a roster full of players that need to be bought out. The habs are screwed for the foreseeable future.
- prock

Glad you think so. If only we could be like the leafs.

As long as it is not about any Canadian maybe but i don't see many discussions where he is not being a troll.
- jordan456789

Let's be honest though. Just about every canadian team is a big mess right now.

The leafs are trying to rebuild, and improving, but don't really have the caliber of prospects to give them a shot. The best thing that can happen to them right now is a lottery pick.

The habs are just starting their rebuild, have almost no prospects to build from, and have the same kind of team full of overpaid vets that the leafs did in the mccabe, kaberle, sundin era. They have some work to do, just to clear house first.

Ottawa started to rebuild, seems to me like they're trying to pull out way too quickly. Trading off picks and prospects to fill holes with substandard players.

Vancouver is probably in the best current shape. But do you really see that core winning a cup? I don't.

Edmonton has gotten gotten some nice picks, but they've used them all on forwards. I think they've made a huge mistake totally neglecting their defense and goaltending SO badly. They're practically starting from scratch on the backend. Its left them with YEARS of work, imo.

Calgary. Well, do I really have to explain?

Winnipeg seems to be coming around a little. They have some pieces there I like. They may be in the best shape of all in a few years.


None of them are in great shape, as far as I'm concerned. There are major holes in every one. When was the last time a canadian team was really THE favourite to win the cup. When you think of the best teams over the past decade.... Detroit comes to mind. Pittsburgh. San jose is regularly up there. Chicago. I think philly built some teams that could have done it, but fell short (and I hate philly, but can admit that). LA built a hell of a team, I can't figure them out. Are there any canadian teams you've looked at over the past ten years that you can really say have built a team to seriously, regularly compete for the cup?[/img]

Let's be honest though. Just about every canadian team is a big mess right now.

The leafs are trying to rebuild, and improving, but don't really have the caliber of prospects to give them a shot. The best thing that can happen to them right now is a lottery pick.

The habs are just starting their rebuild, have almost no prospects to build from, and have the same kind of team full of overpaid vets that the leafs did in the mccabe, kaberle, sundin era. They have some work to do, just to clear house first.

Ottawa started to rebuild, seems to me like they're trying to pull out way too quickly. Trading off picks and prospects to fill holes with substandard players.

Vancouver is probably in the best current shape. But do you really see that core winning a cup? I don't.

Edmonton has gotten gotten some nice picks, but they've used them all on forwards. I think they've made a huge mistake totally neglecting their defense and goaltending SO badly. They're practically starting from scratch on the backend. Its left them with YEARS of work, imo.

Calgary. Well, do I really have to explain?

Winnipeg seems to be coming around a little. They have some pieces there I like. They may be in the best shape of all in a few years.


None of them are in great shape, as far as I'm concerned. There are major holes in every one. When was the last time a canadian team was really THE favourite to win the cup. When you think of the best teams over the past decade.... Detroit comes to mind. Pittsburgh. San jose is regularly up there. Chicago. I think philly built some teams that could have done it, but fell short (and I hate philly, but can admit that). LA built a hell of a team, I can't figure them out. Are there any canadian teams you've looked at over the past ten years that you can really say have built a team to seriously, regularly compete for the cup?
- prock[/img]

Edmonton already has a number of quality D prospects. Their biggest problem imo is goaltending, and that can be fixed.

Edmonton already has a number of quality D prospects. Their biggest problem imo is goaltending, and that can be fixed.
- GuyLaDouche

Not really. Marincin and klefbom? Decent prospects, but not really A list. And two is not much, when you're talking prospects, especially for a team that has to COMPLETELY overhaul their D. They're WAY behind the 8 ball on D.

Let's be honest though. Just about every canadian team is a big mess right now.

The leafs are trying to rebuild, and improving, but don't really have the caliber of prospects to give them a shot. The best thing that can happen to them right now is a lottery pick.

The habs are just starting their rebuild, have almost no prospects to build from, and have the same kind of team full of overpaid vets that the leafs did in the mccabe, kaberle, sundin era. They have some work to do, just to clear house first.

Ottawa started to rebuild, seems to me like they're trying to pull out way too quickly. Trading off picks and prospects to fill holes with substandard players.

Vancouver is probably in the best current shape. But do you really see that core winning a cup? I don't.

Edmonton has gotten gotten some nice picks, but they've used them all on forwards. I think they've made a huge mistake totally neglecting their defense and goaltending SO badly. They're practically starting from scratch on the backend. Its left them with YEARS of work, imo.

Calgary. Well, do I really have to explain?

Winnipeg seems to be coming around a little. They have some pieces there I like. They may be in the best shape of all in a few years.


None of them are in great shape, as far as I'm concerned. There are major holes in every one. When was the last time a canadian team was really THE favourite to win the cup. When you think of the best teams over the past decade.... Detroit comes to mind. Pittsburgh. San jose is regularly up there. Chicago. I think philly built some teams that could have done it, but fell short (and I hate philly, but can admit that). LA built a hell of a team, I can't figure them out. Are there any canadian teams you've looked at over the past ten years that you can really say have built a team to seriously, regularly compete for the cup?
- prock[/img]

So what you are saying is the leafs are screwed with their rebuild. I agree now move on.

So what you are saying is the leafs are screwed with their rebuild. I agree now move on.
- jordan456789

You're STILL butthurt that I was so bang on about the Habs being so screwed, aren't you? I even nailed the timeline down.

I LOVE that of all those canadian teams, the Habs are by far the most screwed. Well, I guess Calgary gives them a run.

Let's be honest though. Just about every canadian team is a big mess right now.

The leafs are trying to rebuild, and improving, but don't really have the caliber of prospects to give them a shot. The best thing that can happen to them right now is a lottery pick.

The habs are just starting their rebuild, have almost no prospects to build from, and have the same kind of team full of overpaid vets that the leafs did in the mccabe, kaberle, sundin era. They have some work to do, just to clear house first.

Ottawa started to rebuild, seems to me like they're trying to pull out way too quickly. Trading off picks and prospects to fill holes with substandard players.

Vancouver is probably in the best current shape. But do you really see that core winning a cup? I don't.

Edmonton has gotten gotten some nice picks, but they've used them all on forwards. I think they've made a huge mistake totally neglecting their defense and goaltending SO badly. They're practically starting from scratch on the backend. Its left them with YEARS of work, imo.

Calgary. Well, do I really have to explain?

Winnipeg seems to be coming around a little. They have some pieces there I like. They may be in the best shape of all in a few years.


None of them are in great shape, as far as I'm concerned. There are major holes in every one. When was the last time a canadian team was really THE favourite to win the cup. When you think of the best teams over the past decade.... Detroit comes to mind. Pittsburgh. San jose is regularly up there. Chicago. I think philly built some teams that could have done it, but fell short (and I hate philly, but can admit that). LA built a hell of a team, I can't figure them out. Are there any canadian teams you've looked at over the past ten years that you can really say have built a team to seriously, regularly compete for the cup?
- prock[/img]

Again ,we still boast one of the deepest crops of prospects out of the nhl and we have moved some youth yes ,but it was for youth .A 22year old former 3rd overall pick for a second and a 17th overall pick isnt that big a deal .We get it you dont like him and you think he is a bust ,but again ill take the word of ottawa,s brass over any poster here thanks including you

Not really. Marincin and klefbom? Decent prospects, but not really A list. And two is not much, when you're talking prospects, especially for a team that has to COMPLETELY overhaul their D. They're WAY behind the 8 ball on D.
- prock

You missed Gernat, Musil and Davidson, to say nothing of the strides Petry has taken this year.