No kidding. I've stated as much in numerous posts previous to this one.

So I guess I guess every member of the PHWA have their memories completely deleted, and don't recall how Chara, Lidstrom or Weber have played prior to beginning of this season, and therefore cannot influence how they view these players, giving all d men an equal and level playing field. Past playoffs performances are never considered eh
- Doppleganger

There's no need to be so snarky. I suspect he misunderstood what you meant.

You often get bent out of shape when talking about Karlsson. Relax. Everyone knows how good he is. What we might disagree on is that he's a far and away Norris winner, or that it's only based on mitigating factors or bias if he doesn't win. There are lots of Norris calibre seasons being played right now. Kudos to you for having one of those dmen on your squad (especially at such a young age)

There's no need to be so snarky. I suspect he misunderstood what you meant.

You often get bent out of shape when talking about Karlsson. Relax. Everyone knows how good he is. What we might disagree on is that he's a far and away Norris winner, or that it's only based on mitigating factors or bias if he doesn't win. There are lots of Norris calibre seasons being played right now. Kudos to you for having one of those dmen on your squad (especially at such a young age)
- Morris

That is valid. In raising the matter initially on this thread my point was that the kid deserved consideration for a nomination. Based on nothing more than the discussion over the past few weeks it is clear that Karlsson is being actively considered.

That is valid. In raising the matter initially on this thread my point was that the kid deserved consideration for a nomination. Based on nothing more than the discussion over the past few weeks it is clear that Karlsson is being actively considered.
- spatso

Don't get me wrong. I think he faces the same difficulties that dynamo offensive defenseman have faced in the past (or great shutdown defenseman for that matter). I think two-way guys are often the only ones considered. I think even Prock might admit that if he continues to keep his GA down and his ppg pace up, it'd be pretty hard to deny him a nomination.

I don't understand why you worry about things nobody else cares about. McClean plays the kid for over 26 minutes tonight. The GM and coach are pretty happy with the kid's progess as a defensive player. How many 21 year old kids are logging plus 25 minutes a game. Defense is taught, it can be learned, the kid has made great progress, everyone, especially his coaches and teammates are incredibly pleased.

Not sure if I can understand the underlying motivational drive behind your discontent. But, I can promise you that the kid will get even better. And, without an attitude change on your part, it will make you even more unhappy.
- spatso

Discontent? I merely pointed out a statistic that fits with the general trend that has been going on all year. The sens score goals with him on the ice. So do opposing teams.
You wrote a diatribe. It seems to me that you're more likely discontent. Any time its mentioned you go to great lengths to deflect the discussion.
Also, I'm pretty sure when see Karlssons name in trophy talks, its always mentioned as a reason he isn't being considered, so I'm not sure why you think nobody worries about dmen defending. I think that's a rather odd thing to say actually.

Don't get me wrong. I think he faces the same difficulties that dynamo offensive defenseman have faced in the past (or great shutdown defenseman for that matter). I think two-way guys are often the only ones considered. I think even Prock might admit that if he continues to keep his GA down and his ppg pace up, it'd be pretty hard to deny him a nomination.
- Morris

He's not keeping his goals against down though.

As you say, they only generally consider guys that play well both offensively and defensively. If you're going to win the norris, you need to be able to do it at both ends.

He's not keeping his goals against down though.

As you say, they only generally consider guys that play well both offensively and defensively. If you're going to win the norris, you need to be able to do it at both ends.
- prock

he's a +15 so he's scoring at a greater clip than the other team.

Discontent? I merely pointed out a statistic that fits with the general trend that has been going on all year. The sens score goals with him on the ice. So do opposing teams.
You wrote a diatribe. It seems to me that you're more likely discontent. Any time its mentioned you go to great lengths to deflect the discussion.
Also, I'm pretty sure when see Karlssons name in trophy talks, its always mentioned as a reason he isn't being considered, so I'm not sure why you think nobody worries about dmen defending. I think that's a rather odd thing to say actually.
- prock

Right now there is nobody more fun to watch or follow. The kid has great skills and an infectious personality. It does not matter if he wins or gets nominated for the Norris. The joy is in the journey and he has been making it fun for all fans who love up tempo hockey.

I thought the Senators were a lottery team. In fact, they would be a lottery team if it were not for the kid. They will not do much if they make playoffs. I have doubts that they even make the playoffs. But, I do believe, this kid has the kind of talent that helps every other player play better. But, regardless of personal accomplishment the kid has a passion to win. He is the kind of talent that helps teams win championships.

Right now there is nobody more fun to watch or follow. The kid has great skills and an infectious personality. It does not matter if he wins or gets nominated for the Norris. The joy is in the journey and he has been making it fun for all fans who love up tempo hockey.

I thought the Senators were a lottery team. In fact, they would be a lottery team if it were not for the kid. They will not do much if they make playoffs. I have doubts that they even make the playoffs. But, I do believe, this kid has the kind of talent that helps every other player play better. But, regardless of personal accomplishment the kid has a passion to win. He is the kind of talent that helps teams win championships.
- spatso

I assume you don't buy into the saying defense wins championships then.

I assume you don't buy into the saying defense wins championships then.
- prock

Yes, indeed. It needs to be learned. Nobody seems to doubt that he will get there. Remember, a prodigious talent changes the way the game can be played. We don't know if the kid is that big a talent. But the potential is enormous.

I don't think his future will be as a great scorer. I think he will break out as a strong leader who is able to compel the players around him to find a way to win. I remember when Aldredsen first came into the league, he was a great young talent but not the prodigy that I think the kid can become.

Yes, indeed. It needs to be learned. Nobody seems to doubt that he will get there. Remember, a prodigious talent changes the way the game can be played. We don't know if the kid is that big a talent. But the potential is enormous.

I don't think his future will be as a great scorer. I think he will break out as a strong leader who is able to compel the players around him to find a way to win. I remember when Aldredsen first came into the league, he was a great young talent but not the prodigy that I think the kid can become.
- spatso

Alfredsson was pretty good too.

Alfredsson was pretty good too.
- GuyLaDouche

I use an iPad. It is an incredible and convenient instrument. But the automatic edit is very frustrating. It just changes spellings based on the probability and it is very good. But it makes me very lazy on the proof reading. And, when I do a lot of posts I get sloppy.

I use an iPad. It is an incredible and convenient instrument. But the automatic edit is very frustrating. It just changes spellings based on the probability and it is very good. But it makes me very lazy on the proof reading. And, when I do a lot of posts I get sloppy.
- spatso

Lol, I figured. Im just being a jerk.

Simultaneously watched the Ottawa and Florida game last night. But, when the kid is on the ice you only follow one screen. Last night the Islanders put a checker on him by posting the winger up high on the blue line. It was effective in the first period. However, in the second period the Senators were able move the puck to the open space and you got an idea how difficult it may be to shut this kid down.

He is fun to watch.

Florida played a strong game as well. I think they are going to nail down a playoff spot, even though the Winnipeg story may be more exciting.

Just bring this up, as Dopps seems to always go back on past quotes.

Regarding the whole conversation before about how Rundblad isn't as good of a prospect on Phoenix because of how low HockeysFuture ranked him, their prospect depth has been re-ordered, and he now sits as their Top Prospect Overall:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/phoenix_coyotes

Just bring this up, as Dopps seems to always go back on past quotes.

Regarding the whole conversation before about how Rundblad isn't as good of a prospect on Phoenix because of how low HockeysFuture ranked him, their prospect depth has been re-ordered, and he now sits as their Top Prospect Overall:

http://www.hockeysfuture.com/teams/phoenix_coyotes
- mfreedman

Wow he jumped up the prospect chart very fast, from no mention to 1st in a few weeks..impressive.

what if the sens held out and used Rundblad to get someone like Carter or Nash..

Wow he jumped up the prospect chart very fast, from no mention to 1st in a few weeks..impressive.

what if the sens held out and used Rundblad to get someone like Carter or Nash..
- senstroll

Kt is good ,we are fine ty for the concerh though

Wow he jumped up the prospect chart very fast, from no mention to 1st in a few weeks..impressive.

what if the sens held out and used Rundblad to get someone like Carter or Nash..
- senstroll

Nash does not fit in Ottawa. They are looking to peak four to five years out.

Kt is good ,we are fine ty for the concerh though
- top shelf 15

Lol

Kt is good ,we are fine ty for the concerh though
- top shelf 15

2 goals (1 empty net) 2 assists in 15 games is average. I thought he would produce more than what he has so far

2 goals (1 empty net) 2 assists in 15 games is average. I thought he would produce more than what he has so far
- senstroll

He has actually looked pretty good. Lots of goalposts, some timing issues, he is going to be very good.

He has actually looked pretty good. Lots of goalposts, some timing issues, he is going to be very good.
- spatso

Dont bother spats they already have their opinion on him ,and its not gonna change

He has actually looked pretty good. Lots of goalposts, some timing issues, he is going to be very good.
- spatso

Dont bother spats they already have their opinion on him ,and its not gonna change

He has actually looked pretty good. Lots of goalposts, some timing issues, he is going to be very good.
- spatso

Dont bother spats they already have their opinion on him ,and its not gonna change

Dont bother spats they already have their opinion on him ,and its not gonna change
- top shelf 15

I actually don't mind the idea of acquiring KT, but with Spezza and the drafting of zbad, along with the exit of Gonchar nearing, I think you had a more pressing need to develop Rundblad than to trade for KT.

To me, both KT and Zbad fit the bill of a top 6 centre, not a bottom 6, so the acquisition didn't make much sense to me.

He has actually looked pretty good. Lots of goalposts, some timing issues, he is going to be very good.
- spatso

Oh I wasn't aware of the goalposts.. sorry that changes everything..

Reimer and Gus are playing well too then, lots of almost saves