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mccraig
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.11.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:15 AM ET
Me too. He's an idiot. Sit probably 2nd grittiest forward and then complain about the lack of gritt. Moronic.
- burn


Makes no sense. It's decisions like that which really make me question Ron Wilson. Seriously, Darryl Boyce over Armstrong? For the love of god, Armstrong has been injured a lot since joining the Leafs, let him play when he's healthy!
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:15 AM ET
I'd sure like to hear the explanation as to why Wilson decided to sit Armstrong in favour of Darryl Boyce. What a joke.
- mccraig


I actually don't have an issue with inserting Boyce in the lineup at all. Sitting Armstrong, if he isn't "fit" is fine... but I'd rather have a 70% Armstrong on the 4th line than a 100% Connelly on the 2nd or 3rd line giving 20% effort anyday.
robin_steele264
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 03.15.2009

Feb 12 @ 10:15 AM ET
Me too. He's an idiot. Sit probably 2nd grittiest forward and then complain about the lack of gritt. Moronic.
- burn



I ask the same thing when Renney sits Sutton in favor of whichever AHL dman he chooses.

dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 12 @ 10:16 AM ET
Still fapping to your Darche poster?
- Symba007


mock him all you want, a lot of top power forwards in the NHL are late bloomers. Look at Franzen in Detroit!
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:16 AM ET
PK had no reason to fight Brown with 2min left in the game with a 5-0 score. Where was Brown the rest of the night? If he wants to wake up his team, he should have done something in the 2nd period when the Leafs allowed 4 goals, not with 2min left in the game.
- Symba007

ding, ding, ding. you are correct. and it was 4 goals on 7 shots
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 12 @ 10:16 AM ET
Me too. He's an idiot. Sit probably 2nd grittiest forward and then complain about the lack of gritt. Moronic.
- burn

who is the 1st grittiest?
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:17 AM ET
As much as it'd be fun to watch 4 playoff games, I'd prefer this team to miss the playoffs and Wilson gets replaced.
- Juice



Was it Wilson's fault that Reimer sucks canal water?

Was it Wilson's fault that phaneuf did a great Impersonation of a pilon?

Was it Wilson's fault that Schenn is franking brutal in his end?

Yes it was Wilson's fault for starting Reimer in front of Gus

Yes it is Wilson's fault for starting Schenn in front of Komi

Yes it is Wilson's fault for pairing that useless tit of Schenn with Gards
Symba007
Montreal Canadiens
Location: I'm bi. Why limit yourself with half of the possible delicious pleasures of life - Fredo, ON
Joined: 02.26.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:18 AM ET
mock him all you want, a lot of top power forwards in the NHL are late bloomers. Look at Franzen in Detroit!
- dt99999

Weirdoh's next location?
mccraig
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.11.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:19 AM ET
Reimer was really, really bad last night as well. Many of the goals by Montreal were weak shots which squeezed through the five-hole. Very poor performance.

In the end, the entire team packed it in last night. I certainly hope that they make a positive statement in the next game.
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 12 @ 10:19 AM ET
Was it Wilson's fault that Reimer sucks canal water?

Was it Wilson's fault that phaneuf did a great Impersonation of a pilon?

Was it Wilson's fault that Schenn is franking brutal in his end?

Yes it was Wilson's fault for starting Reimer in front of Gus

Yes it is Wilson's fault for starting Schenn in front of Komi

Yes it is Wilson's fault for pairing that useless tit of Schenn with Gards

- faceto27




yes?
dt99999
Montreal Canadiens
Location: wow, hope that's sarcasim
Joined: 11.18.2008

Feb 12 @ 10:20 AM ET
Weirdoh's next location?
- Symba007



can't be, makes too much sense.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:21 AM ET
Makes no sense. It's decisions like that which really make me question Ron Wilson. Seriously, Darryl Boyce over Armstrong? For the love of god, Armstrong has been injured a lot since joining the Leafs, let him play when he's healthy!
- mccraig


Seems to me the majority of the "entrenched" guys - read Connelly and now Lombardi and I would include Crabb, were playing much more inspired when there was legitimate threats to there jobs... so here's a suggestion.

Insert Rosehill, and tell him to play physical but no going looking for goon fights - i.e. forecheck hard.
Insert Armstrong back in the lineup.
Move Steckel to the thirdline center role, put Boyce on the fourth.
Inset Matt Frattin.


Sit Mr Connelly. Since what he's doing most of the games is watching anyway, this won't represent much of a change.
Sit Mr. Lombardi, who looks like he's gotten too comfortable again.
Sit Mr. Crabb.

Bottom six
Rosehill, Steckel, Frattin
Armstrong, Boyce, Brown
mix vigorously.
Fruitcakenipple
Location: NF
Joined: 01.12.2011

Feb 12 @ 10:23 AM ET
Was it Wilson's fault that Reimer sucks canal water?

Was it Wilson's fault that phaneuf did a great Impersonation of a pilon?

Was it Wilson's fault that Schenn is franking brutal in his end?

Yes it was Wilson's fault for starting Reimer in front of Gus

Yes it is Wilson's fault for starting Schenn in front of Komi

Yes it is Wilson's fault for pairing that useless tit of Schenn with Gards

- faceto27



No??
mccraig
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Toronto, ON
Joined: 02.11.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:25 AM ET
Seems to me the majority of the "entrenched" guys - read Connelly and now Lombardi and I would include Crabb, were playing much more inspired when there was legitimate threats to there jobs... so here's a suggestion.

Insert Rosehill, and tell him to play physical but no going looking for goon fights - i.e. forecheck hard.
Insert Armstrong back in the lineup.
Move Steckel to the thirdline center role, put Boyce on the fourth.
Inset Matt Frattin.


Sit Mr Connelly. Since what he's doing most of the games is watching anyway, this won't represent much of a change.
Sit Mr. Lombardi, who looks like he's gotten too comfortable again.
Sit Mr. Crabb.

Bottom six
Rosehill, Steckel, Frattin
Armstrong, Boyce, Brown
mix vigorously.

- BorjeFan4Ever


You might be right. I am not a big fan of Rosehill, but maybe that would help.

Bringing up Frattin would be a good move IMO.
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:25 AM ET
I actually thought the fourth line was pretty okay last night - didn't see the entire game but most of it.

Now the third line, if you can call it that could be a difference maker in games where the top two are not able to generate off the rush. But for that to be the case the third needs to be a tougher grind it out kind of line... and I'm thinking that the "smooth skater - (read effortless take that anyway you like) Tim Connolly" and the "fleet footed - (read Jason Blake clone) Mathew Lombardi" aren't going to bring anything like intensity, physicality, etc... Connelly's obviously pouting at not being on the first line.

I find the debates around coaching interesting with this team. So the penaity kill blows chuncks for what 40 games... and then Napoleon "does something". Now the PP blows chuncks for about the last 10 games, is he going to wait another 30 games before he tries something. Is it just my imagination or does WIlson mix his lines around regularly often with what appears to be any reasons? Then he's down 2-0 and 3-0 at home in a marquee game (ableit largely meaningless) and he sticks to the same lines pretty much all game - when clearly the only group who somewhat generated was Grabovski's line. Goalie struggling... so let's leave him in until there so far behind that it doesn't make any difference. Even Ron's shout's of "let's go" weren't very inspiring last night.

It would seem to me that if the next game is a loss, then Burke may just have to do something radical... and I hope it isn't player related (unless he choses to get rid of Connelly).

And please stop with the Schenn bashing. He's playing with Gardiner, who while he has great potential, is currently a give away machine. And while Schenn definitely turned the puck over on the 2nd(?) goal last night, it was Gunnerson's blown coverage on the 1st and Phaneuf's on the latter that set the tone.

- BorjeFan4Ever


Gards a give away machine???

Dude try watching Schenn play without the rose colored glasses on... Gards has 40 PROFESSIONAL games and that's it. He played college hockey last year and he is FAR ahead of Schenn in development. Schenn is a FAIL. DEAL WITH IT. SLOW FIRST STEP..... TROUBLE CLEARING THE ZONE.... CHASES WHEN HE SHOULDN'T.... PLEASE HOLMGREN TAKE HIM OFF OUR HANDS
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:27 AM ET
PK had no reason to fight Brown with 2min left in the game with a 5-0 score. Where was Brown the rest of the night? If he wants to wake up his team, he should have done something in the 2nd period when the Leafs allowed 4 goals, not with 2min left in the game.
- Symba007


Agreed. PK shouldn't fight Brown or anyone with 2min left in the game. That would be stupid. But at the same time PK shouldn't run around trying to slew-foot folks... perhaps you can harken back to MacArther laying a bit of beating on Spacek last season I believe. Take a look at the longer replay sequence and you'll see why MacArther went after Spacek...

Don't question Brown's integrity, question WIlson's ... how much ice time did Brown get in the 2nd period? Then again, PK wouldn't fight someone like Phaneuf, Schenn or even Grabovski had they gone after him... so your attempted point is non-existent anyway.
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:29 AM ET
Seems to me the majority of the "entrenched" guys - read Connelly and now Lombardi and I would include Crabb, were playing much more inspired when there was legitimate threats to there jobs... so here's a suggestion.

Insert Rosehill, and tell him to play physical but no going looking for goon fights - i.e. forecheck hard.
Insert Armstrong back in the lineup.
Move Steckel to the thirdline center role, put Boyce on the fourth.
Inset Matt Frattin.


Sit Mr Connelly. Since what he's doing most of the games is watching anyway, this won't represent much of a change.
Sit Mr. Lombardi, who looks like he's gotten too comfortable again.
Sit Mr. Crabb.

Bottom six
Rosehill, Steckel, Frattin
Armstrong, Boyce, Brown
mix vigorously.

- BorjeFan4Ever



The problem with the leafs is in net and the defense pairings

Jesus you guys just don't get it
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:31 AM ET
Gards a give away machine???

Dude try watching Schenn play without the rose colored glasses on... Gards has 40 PROFESSIONAL games and that's it. He played college hockey last year and he is FAR ahead of Schenn in development. Schenn is a FAIL. DEAL WITH IT. SLOW FIRST STEP..... TROUBLE CLEARING THE ZONE.... CHASES WHEN HE SHOULDN'T.... PLEASE HOLMGREN TAKE HIM OFF OUR HANDS

- faceto27


okee-dokee then... I guess everyone's intitled to an opinion ... even after a night of heavy drinking.
Adam French
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Isn't Cooley 5"11? You know who else is 5"11? Sydney Crosby. - Scabeh
Joined: 04.06.2011

Feb 12 @ 10:32 AM ET
The sky is falling.
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:33 AM ET
The sky is falling.
- AdamFrench


already on the ground.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:35 AM ET
The sky is falling.
- AdamFrench

it fell at the end of the 2004 season, or was that the beginning of the salary cap era. i can't remember
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:40 AM ET
With each game that passes, you can really see how much Tim Connolly doesn't give a damn. He just gets lost in the noise in every game. I don't see what he brings to the team -- he's been pretty bad.
- mccraig


The comforting thing I find about the Connolly situation is that he's another one of Burke's FA signings... and like Komisarek (not a bad signing - just way too much money), Beauchemin, Lebda, Dupius... Burke has essentially only hampered himself with these signings.... and he's done a marvelous job (so far) of getting out of them.

Why comforting?.. well Burke must know that for this team to improve he has to acquire at least one elite level player or perhaps two in order to have any hope of moving up in the echelon of teams around the league. And how is he going to do that will needing to sign some of his own upcoming UFAs and RFAs... without clearing the CAP space and roster spots that Lombardi, Connelly and Komisarek represent?
faceto27
Location: Burke: Best part of today is I
Joined: 01.21.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:40 AM ET
okee-dokee then... I guess everyone's intitled to an opinion ... even after a night of heavy drinking.
- BorjeFan4Ever



Naaaa I'm perfectly sober.... I just refuse to drink the Kool Aid

Ask yourself this.... If Schenn is or going to be that great shutdown defenseman that you all think, then why is Burke willing to trade him?
BorjeFan4Ever
Season Ticket Holder
Location: not the BigSmoke anymore
Joined: 10.29.2007

Feb 12 @ 10:45 AM ET
Naaaa I'm perfectly sober.... I just refuse to drink the Kool Aid

Ask yourself this.... If Schenn is or going to be that great shutdown defenseman that you all think, then why is Burke willing to trade him?

- faceto27


He hasn't traded him.
But to your question... if he doesn't posess that potential, why would other teams be interested in him?
Why is part of literally every rumored aquisition of elite talent (Getzlaf,Staal,Nash...), everyone of those rumors contains Schenn as part of the package going the other way.
Obviously because 29 other GMs, 100+ other scouts/asst GMs must consider him a total bust.
bobbyisno1
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: I'm excited to see that
Joined: 08.28.2010

Feb 12 @ 10:46 AM ET
Naaaa I'm perfectly sober.... I just refuse to drink the Kool Aid

Ask yourself this.... If Schenn is or going to be that great shutdown defenseman that you all think, then why is Burke willing to trade him?

- faceto27

because, like any other GM. you should be willing to trade anybody if it makes your team better
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