dammit.. give him 50 games before you write him off!!

oh hell i give up lol
- Dozzer

I'm not writing him off, I defend him all the time, just saying, he hasn't worked out yet.

Could he turn it around still? Yup. Am I hoping he will? Yup. The fact is, aside from a few flashes, he hasn't been great. And the 3rd line currently sucks. I'd rather waive Armstrong-Connolly-Lombo and bring up Kadri-Colborne-Frattin for that role. They'd be cheaper, faster, more physical, better offensively, and just as good defensively(read: just as poopty). Or maybe trade them for one bigger cap hit, that might actually provide something for the team, but isn't worth the hit.

You'd rather Schenn over Karlsson right now?
- robin_steele264

i never said that

my point is that other than a maybe a couple guys, picking him was a good move, schenn is still an NHL calibre player, therefore to me, a good draft pick

This
- burn

Ditto on that.

Luke leads the team in +/- for a reason. Yes, he hasn't taken on the same role as Dion because he's not on that pairing, but he'll have a decent cap hit over the next 4 yewars as he comes into his own.

The thought of trading him is absurd.

Reimer had a very good week, and I don't blame him for the losslast night. The first two goals happen. And it's not like Price was letting anything through either

Are you really going to go there???

Are you saying Schenn> karlsson???

Really???


- faceto27

Penner's a salary dump, no way Komi or Connolly are going. And certainly hope Army doesn't go.
- Boosinicka

I like Armstrong, but he's completely ineffective this season. He was good when he played last year, but that wasn't much. Now he's not even good while healthy. Best we can hope for is 30 games next season in which he fills his role properly.

It's sad, but true.

I'm not writing him off, I defend him all the time, just saying, he hasn't worked out yet.

Could he turn it around still? Yup. Am I hoping he will? Yup. The fact is, aside from a few flashes, he hasn't been great. And the 3rd line currently sucks. I'd rather waive Armstrong-Connolly-Lombo and bring up Kadri-Colborne-Frattin for that role. They'd be cheaper, faster, more physical, better offensively, and just as good defensively(read: just as poopty). Or maybe trade them for one bigger cap hit, that might actually provide something for the team, but isn't worth the hit.
- Feeling Glucky?

Being younger has nothing to do with speed.

Are you really going to go there???

Are you saying Schenn> karlsson???

Really???


- faceto27

dont put words in my mouth please.

first off, this is called hindsight, but who would of picked karlsson over schenn in 2008? few if any.

secondly, this only strengthens my original argument that it doesnt matter where a guy gets drafted... karlsson was 15th overall.. so i guess 14 gms passed on him as well

the draft is a crap shoot.. if you're player turns out to be a full time nhler, you picked well

A German Shepherd could have set the franchise record for saves in a shutout?

Explain.
- Leeman4Gilmour

Andrew Raycroft as franchise record for wins in a season for leafs

What's your point???

At least 40 of those 49 shots were from the perimeter....

If the other team took 70 shots from center would that mean your a great goalie for stopping them??

C'mon man

Being younger has nothing to do with speed.
- AdamFrench

Ive heard Ray Ferraro challenge young NHL'ers to a race any day.

"This old man will burn your ass kid"

I like Armstrong, but he's completely ineffective this season. He was good when he played last year, but that wasn't much. Now he's not even good while healthy. Best we can hope for is 30 games next season in which he fills his role properly.

It's sad, but true.
- Feeling Glucky?

It's going to take him time, you can tell those injuries set him back quite a bit. But come playoffs we will need his style of hockey (note* not necessarily talking about this year)

- robin_steele264

i love how people assume i would keep schenn over karlsson just because i am making a point.. if karlsson played in toronto.. minus 30 would have him labelled a bust as well.

for the record i would make that deal in a heartbeat just so we're clear.

dont put words in my mouth please.

first off, this is called hindsight, but who would of picked karlsson over schenn in 2008? few if any.

secondly, this only strengthens my original argument that it doesnt matter where a guy gets drafted... karlsson was 15th overall.. so i guess 14 gms passed on him as well

the draft is a crap shoot.. if you're player turns out to be a full time nhler, you picked well
- Dozzer

21 GM's passed on Eberle GOD LOVE THEM!!!

i never said that

my point is that other than a maybe a couple guys, picking him was a good move, schenn is still an NHL calibre player, therefore to me, a good draft pick
- Dozzer

I'm willing to bet that Karlsson's gonna have a crappy season again next year(like he did last year). Seems every d-man from the 2008 draft is having these big ups and downs on a season-by-season basis.

take Myers for example, two years ago he was superman, Leafs were idiots for taking Schenn ahead of him. Last year he started poopty, but ended well. This year, poop again... and we haven't heard a peep about him from Sabres fans. He's got as many points as Schenn does, sure, he was injured, but he's also their top PP guy. Schenn sees maybe a second of PP time a game, if there's a stoppage just before it ends.

Ditto on that.

Luke leads the team in +/- for a reason. Yes, he hasn't taken on the same role as Dion because he's not on that pairing, but he'll have a decent cap hit over the next 4 yewars as he comes into his own.

The thought of trading him is absurd.

Reimer had a very good week, and I don't blame him for the losslast night. The first two goals happen. And it's not like Price was letting anything through either
- AngryWhiteMale

Reimer had a very good week???

Which week are you talking about?

21 GM's passed on Eberle GOD LOVE THEM!!!


- robin_steele264

lol

I'd rather waive Armstrong-Connolly-Lombo and bring up Kadri-Colborne-Frattin for that role. .
- Feeling Glucky?

The way I saw Frattin improve over the first half makes me think Kadri and a 1st could be a good base point for a deal. Not saying Kadri's been a dissapointment or anything, it's just that shouldn't have made it this easy to keep him out of the lineup.

While I do want Colborne up now, and think his size would be beneficial, I think a full season plus P.O.s will do him good in the AHL.

He'll be ready for next season. The real question is where to put him, as, assuming we resign Grabo for a retarded amount of money, we already have a backlog at that position.

Bozak (belongs with Kessel and Lupul)
Grabs
Lombardi (hasn't looked too shabby llately)
Steckel (he's a keeper on the 4th with Brown)
Connolly (Now there's a guy who's made himself redundant)

Being younger has nothing to do with speed.
- AdamFrench

no. being faster has to do with speed.

I'm willing to bet that Karlsson's gonna have a crappy season again next year(like he did last year). Seems every d-man from the 2008 draft is having these big ups and downs on a season-by-season basis.

take Myers for example, two years ago he was superman, Leafs were idiots for taking Schenn ahead of him. Last year he started poopty, but ended well. This year, poop again... and we haven't heard a peep about him from Sabres fans. He's got as many points as Schenn does, sure, he was injured, but he's also their top PP guy. Schenn sees maybe a second of PP time a game, if there's a stoppage just before it ends.
- Feeling Glucky?

Id take Myers over both

Reimer had a very good week???

Which week are you talking about?
- faceto27

I don't blame him for the loss in PHI. We were lucky to keep it to within 1 goal.

One thing I have noticed is that his 5'er has been more of a problem lately than high glove, which I didn't see coming

He had a good 'string of starts' is what I meant.

no. being faster has to do with speed.
- Feeling Glucky?

Those engineering courses have taught you a lot.

The way I saw Frattin improve over the first half makes me think Kadri and a 1st could be a good base point for a deal. Not saying Kadri's been a dissapointment or anything, it's just that shouldn't have made it this easy to keep him out of the lineup.

While I do want Colborne up now, and think his size would be beneficial, I think a full season plus P.O.s will do him good in the AHL.

He'll be ready for next season. The real question is where to put him, as, assuming we resign Grabo for a retarded amount of money, we already have a backlog at that position.

Bozak (belongs with Kessel and Lupul)
Grabs
Lombardi (hasn't looked too shabby llately)
Steckel (he's a keeper on the 4th with Brown)
Connolly (Now there's a guy who's made himself redundant)
- AngryWhiteMale

Frattin doesn't make Kadri tradeable. If anything, he's the reason you don't trade Kadri. When day comes that both these guys will have a safe job in the NHL, they'll be dynamite together... whether Kadri is at center or at wing... I want him playing with Frattin.

I'm willing to bet that Karlsson's gonna have a crappy season again next year(like he did last year). Seems every d-man from the 2008 draft is having these big ups and downs on a season-by-season basis.

take Myers for example, two years ago he was superman, Leafs were idiots for taking Schenn ahead of him. Last year he started poopty, but ended well. This year, poop again... and we haven't heard a peep about him from Sabres fans. He's got as many points as Schenn does, sure, he was injured, but he's also their top PP guy. Schenn sees maybe a second of PP time a game, if there's a stoppage just before it ends.
- Feeling Glucky?

karlsson has put up points more consistantly though.. two years running that he's been 45 plus

my point all along is that draft position doesnt necessaily equate to a player's peak.. its a guess at the draft table.. its an educated one, but a guess all the same. more guys dont turn into all stars than do

so my whole damn argument is if you drafted a guy who turned out to be a capable nhl player, you have done well regardless of where you drafted him.

Andrew Raycroft as franchise record for wins in a season for leafs

What's your point???

At least 40 of those 49 shots were from the perimeter....

If the other team took 70 shots from center would that mean your a great goalie for stopping them??

C'mon man
- faceto27

The reason those 49 shots looked so harmless is because Reimer was practically flawless. No rebounds. No second chances for Ottawa shooters. Nothing to shoot at.

What about the Pittsburgh game before that? A 1-0 win. Hardly any goal support, and he needed to be perfect to give his team a chance to win. 25 saves.

Last week, he was 3-0-0 with a 1.00 GAA and 0.971 Sv% with 104 shots faced. 2 shutouts. NHL's third star of the week.

This week, he's 0-2-0 with a couple rough starts. Let's not forget that he did face 39 shots in Philly.

Answer me this: Why are the past two games more indicative of what he could do "at his best" than the 3 games before that?

You're using a very small sampling of Reimer at his worst to decide what he will be at his best. It's lunacy. Howard Berger makes more sense than you, for crying out loud.

Id take Myers over both
- robin_steele264

really? i'd put karlsson at the top of that list.. especially when you factor in contract status.

really? i'd put karlsson at the top of that list.. especially when you factor in contract status.
- Dozzer

I think Myers will turn out to be the best.

His size is a huge factor for me... you cant teach or develope that.