He meant that the leafs get busted and called out on it every time, while every other team does the exact same thing.
- Scruffton

Whipper334 failed readingbetweenthelines 101 so he only sees words written down and can only interpret only one very narrow meaning for them.

Tourr a terrible troll. And i miss the Tucker avi. That ass hole fits your personality.

You best buds with SameOld? You 2 would be perfect for eachother, both lame assed trolls who know Zippo about hockey.
- FLYERSROCK!

ahhh yes, my favorite HB chirp. "know zippo about hockey" lol

cause you know me, and what leveled of hockey, and what ties i have with hockey hahahaha such a hurtin unit.

you ever shook proberts hand? did you shoot the poop with him and clark in the alumni box or wander through the leafs dressing room having beers?

i bet my salary not, so stfu slave.

Leafs and Flyers fans...can we both stop being idiots about the value of JVR and Schenn.

It's as simple as this:

JVR - Has not been consistent enough to live up to his hype. Is still feeding off the hype of being taken 2nd overall which is keeping his trade value/price slightly higher then it maybe should be. Ton of potential to be a dominant player if he can learn how to make space for himself on the ice. Higher upside then Schenn.

Schenn - Pretty inconsistent as well, which is to be expected of a 22 year old stay-at-home dman. Anybody that expects more from a 22 year old dman is a fool, and that applies to most Leafs fans who think he should be almost Scott Stevens by now. Has progressed closer to expectations then JVR, but not by much. Drafted 5th overall by the Leafs which is also over-hyping his value because a lot of Leafs fans have this emotional attachment to him as the first real piece of the Leafs rebuild.

In the end, a one for one trade would leave many fans on both sides happy and unhappy, which to me sounds like maybe, just maybe it's a perfectly fair deal. But frankly, given that both teams want pieces that will help their team right now...the trade doesn't make sense for the above reasons...both players are no where near what folks project them to be and will not put either team over their respective humps this year.

He'll never be a top line player. Expectations were/are high for this kid because of his first round selection status. I think his ceiling is 2nd line/fringe top 6 at best.
- Kinger34

exactly--deal him now before people realize hes the 2nd coming of Jiri Tlusty

Whipper334 failed readingbetweenthelines 101 so he only sees words written down and can only interpret only one very narrow meaning for them.
- iLive4theLeafs

interpret this... GFY!

Park will never be traded.

Sure, they say even Gretzky got traded, but Gretzky was no Park.
- jarmstrong

I dunno, all this Schenn for JVR talk, it's just a smokescreen for BB's real target, Richard Park.

Crickets right up until the deadline, then BOOM! Burke pulls it off.

interpret this... GFY!
- whipper334

Leafs and Flyers fans...can we both stop being idiots about the value of JVR and Schenn.

It's as simple as this:

JVR - Has not been consistent enough to live up to his hype. Is still feeding off the hype of being taken 2nd overall which is keeping his trade value/price slightly higher then it maybe should be. Ton of potential to be a dominant player if he can learn how to make space for himself on the ice. Higher upside then Schenn.

Schenn - Pretty inconsistent as well, which is to be expected of a 22 year old stay-at-home dman. Anybody that expects more from a 22 year old dman is a fool, and that applies to most Leafs fans who think he should be almost Scott Stevens by now. Has progressed closer to expectations then JVR, but not by much. Drafted 5th overall by the Leafs which is also over-hyping his value because a lot of Leafs fans have this emotional attachment to him as the first real piece of the Leafs rebuild.

In the end, a one for one trade would leave many fans on both sides happy and unhappy, which to me sounds like maybe, just maybe it's a perfectly fair deal. But frankly, given that both teams want pieces that will help their team right now...the trade doesn't make sense for the above reasons...both players are no where near what folks project them to be and will not put either team over their respective humps this year.
- Juice

On top of that, why would Burke or Holmgren want to do business with a team that he might play in the playoffs? It makes no sense to potentially strengthen a rival in a playoff drive.

You might want to do a spell check on everything you just said before making yourself look like philly's worst import on here.
- iLive4theLeafs

Saskachewanians...

He's 22-years-old and still has a helluva way to go in his development. Can he become a top-pairing defenceman? I guess it's possible, but not on his current trajectory. I think he's more talented than a Hal Gill, but I don't know if he'll ever reach Adam Foote territory. For me, I think Schenn turns into a Brooks Orpik-level defenceman at best.
- Urethra Franklin

Really?....REALLY?!?!?

Would you trade Luke Schenn right now for Orpik? Straight up?

Dude.....settle down.
- Juice

He's 16 and needs to get laid.

No, I understand that. I'm just questioning whether there wouldn't be cheaper defencemen available (perhaps at somewhat higher cost) that wouldn't handcuff as much heading into an offseason where they are likely to lose Nick Lidstrom to retirement (and therefore need to replace him...)

I just don't think the benefits that acquiring Komi would have outweigh the costs for a team like Detroit.
- Mr_Clean

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too... Just pondering, you know. Burke's "miracle" salary dumps notwithstanding, I don't think Komisarek is going anywhere with his contract/NTC.

No, you are just a homer who calls people trolls if they have a negative opnion about anybody on Philly.
- Jame_Gumb

its rare for a male to not have hit puberty by age 30, poor guy.

Really?....REALLY?!?!?

Would you trade Luke Schenn right now for Orpik? Straight up?


- B-Leaf

Of course not. Brooks Orpik is 10-years older.

I don't really see how that disproves my point at all, though.

No, not really, they have over $5 million right now, and have quite a few UFAs next year, so Komisarek's contract could probably be worked in there. What you have to consider if you're Detroit is if taking Komisarek's contract for the next few years is worth it for a better shot at the cup.
- Cimo

Not that I think one player can fill the hole (and certainly not Komisarek), but how many more seasons do you think Lidstrom has in him? Detroit needs to look to build their D going forward...that will be a big hole to fill.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too... Just pondering, you know. Burke's "miracle" salary dumps notwithstanding, I don't think Komisarek is going anywhere with his contract/NTC.
- Cimo

Calgary called Burke...and he almost blurted out..." Do you just want him for free......I mean I really do owe you guys anyways"

Not that I think one player can fill the hole (and certainly not Komisarek), but how many more seasons do you think Lidstrom has in him? Detroit needs to look to build their D going forward...that will be a big hole to fill.
- B-Leaf

That's what she said...?

He's 22-years-old and still has a helluva way to go in his development. Can he become a top-pairing defenceman? I guess it's possible, but not on his current trajectory. I think he's more talented than a Hal Gill, but I don't know if he'll ever reach Adam Foote territory. For me, I think Schenn turns into a Brooks Orpik-level defenceman at best.
- Urethra Franklin

Finally, someone with an honest and pure thought...

Finally, someone with an honest and pure thought...
- Flyfreaky

And there's no shame in that. I think Orpik is a fine d-man. He's by no means a star, but he's an effective hard-worker and has great chemistry with Letang.

the vision of you giggling away, alone in your grammas basement is adorable.
- Barx

Dude im not dallasstars. Much too smart to be him.

And im 16, so giver a rest.

He'll never be a top line player. Expectations were/are high for this kid because of his first round selection status. I think his ceiling is 2nd line/fringe top 6 at best.
- Kinger34

Pretty sure this was us talking about kadri... settle the frank down philly fans

Dude im not dallasstars. Much too smart to be him.

And im 16, so giver a rest.
- FLYERSROCK!

You make Dallasstars look like Einstein.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking too... Just pondering, you know. Burke's "miracle" salary dumps notwithstanding, I don't think Komisarek is going anywhere with his contract/Limited-NTC.
- Cimo

*Fixed

Not that I think one player can fill the hole (and certainly not Komisarek), but how many more seasons do you think Lidstrom has in him? Detroit needs to look to build their D going forward...that will be a big hole to fill.
- B-Leaf

First, I agree, you'll never fill that hole, ever.
You never know with Lidstrom though, it's not like he has ever slowed down with age. The guy is in phenomenal shape.
I think a lot of it has to do with Detroit's success this season. If they win the cup, he calls 'er quits during the post-game celebration. Otherwise, he ponders a return, but makes his decision early as to not leave Detroit hanging.

Komisarek has played pretty well this year... I think he has gone from untradeable with a combination of poor play and big contract to tradeable with his improved play. If you can trade him to a contender, like, say Detroit (Komisarek would probably waive for a chance to win the Cup), for a draft pick or a mid-level prospect, I say do it... We need the cap space.
- Cimo

Komisarek's main value comes from his contract. he has a 4.5M cap hit for the next two years but only is paid 3.5 for the next two years (excluding the current season which is almost done)

For teams striving to meet the floor, there is value. Other than that, not so much.