I was referring to the players you'd rather give up for him. I agree JVR and Kadri are basically the same thing at this point young players with alot of upside Kadri just gets ripped on cause he's a leaf prospect. Personally I'd much rather go for a guy like Morrow then getting another maybe that we have to pay to much to get. Its either go big or go home.
- bmoney411

oops....I thought someone else was asking me the question....

Maybe a Bozak/Aulie or a Bozak/Franson type of deal.

I agree on Morrow....we need a few more "greybeards" to show the young ones the way.... ...maybe a Doan.

I think we can sum it up by saying both guys are (SO FAR) disappointments considering what both teams thought they'd be at this point. They're young. They'll figure it out. Or they won't. We'll see.

And no thanks to Morrow. I'd rather keep our youth until we can use it for a long term solution, whether they become the solution or we trade them for it.
- clarkysduster

I just really like the thought of him being a leader on this young team. I was thinking he might be a plan B if everything else falls through. I don't think he would cost us to much but I could be wrong.

Marginally...but Schenn's is marginally higher....but as we probably agree that's only on paper.

Anyway....I just don't see the fit on either side.

Schenn and a 2nd is too high.....a 2nd would get you a JML or a Grabo etc>>>
- 3-Bean-Salad

I agree. I like Hockey Future, but ranking prospect are difficult. I'd like them to go back in their data five years, and reevaluate the players and compare the numbers. I'd like to see how accurate they are.

I don't like the trade either. I say hold onto JVR. He's only 22, wait to see if he gains consistency. I think the trade hinges on Burke. If he really wants JVR, ie. willing to overpay. I'd trade him. On the other hand. A Schenn type of player is what the Flyers need - rough, stay at home guy.

I agree. I like Hockey Future, but ranking prospect are difficult. I'd like them to go back in their data five years, and reevaluate the players and compare the numbers. I'd like to see how accurate they are.

I don't like the trade either. I say hold onto JVR. He's only 22, wait to see if he gains consistency. I think the trade hinges on Burke. If he really wants JVR, ie. willing to overpay. I'd trade him. On the other hand. A Schenn type of player is what the Flyers need - rough, stay at home guy.
- leon neon

I agree they need a Schenn type player....but would probably want someone with more experience......

I think the thing with Schenn is that he needs a reset. The team (because they were so bad) let him play....and play alot when he was 18. He should of spent the first 2 years with the Marlies...
I'm not sure if they did him any favours.

Also...the Leafs are a go go all the time team....probably hard to do when you are that type of player.

I agree they need a Schenn type player....but would probably want someone with more experience......

I think the thing with Schenn is that he needs a reset. The team (because they were so bad) let him play....and play alot when he was 18. He should of spent the first 2 years with the Marlies...
I'm not sure if they did him any favours.

Also...the Leafs are a go go all the time team....probably hard to do when you are that type of player.
- 3-Bean-Salad

Schenn has two flaws to his game.

First, he has a very slow first step

Second, he has great difficulty making the outlet pass........ trouble clearing the zone

Schenn has two flaws to his game.

First, he has a very slow first step

Second, he has great difficulty making the outlet pass........ trouble clearing the zone
- faceto27

Don't disagree.

And when your forwards refuse to come back to help....those weaknesses are magnified..

Don't disagree.

And when your forwards refuse to come back to help....those weaknesses are magnified..
- 3-Bean-Salad

Not so much that they don't come back. The system that Wilson has them playing calls for quick outlet passes, a very fast transition. If the defense fails in doing so, then the forwards are usually caught in no mans land, and usually flat footed.

Not so much that they don't come back. The system that Wilson has them playing calls for quick outlet passes, a very fast transition. If the defense fails in doing so, then the forwards are usually caught in no mans land, and usually flat footed.
- faceto27

Still too far of a spread....when they see the D has won the battle the forwards take off....basically getting to the blue line looking for the outlet.... the puck support doesn't exist.

The hockeysfuture thing is kind of irrelevant.
The fact is, Philly has a plethora of talented top 6 forwards/prospects and they're willing to deal one for help on defense.
Toronto has a plethora of of talented top 6 defensemen/prospects and they're willing to deal one for help on forward.

It will be a potential for need scenario. Though I'm not certain either team gets exactly what they need.

The hockeysfuture thing is kind of irrelevant.
The fact is, Philly has a plethora of talented top 6 forwards/prospects and they're willing to deal one for help on defense.
Toronto has a plethora of of talented top 6 defensemen/prospects and they're willing to deal one for help on forward.

It will be a potential for need scenario. Though I'm not certain either team gets exactly what they need.
- clarkysduster

We have enough guys that can score.....Toronto needs size, toughness and experience.

I say you go big or stay the course.....ie Nash or Getzlaf.

If they are not available....don't do anything but add some cheap experience at the deadline.

Other players will come available later...ie in the summer or next year...

I personally dont care that much, JVR is a guy waiting to break out and will be at least a 35 goal scorer unless something goes wrong health wise in my opinion. But i also think Schenn is gonna be a great d man... Either way im happy with both players, but not happy with our lack of toughness in our top 6... that needs to change, Chris Stewart and JVR are two wingers i think Burke should target with youth and Clowe and Malone are the veterans i think he should target, as for centers i think he should sign Grabo and wait it out to see what Colborne becomes, we should find out by next year if he has a chance of at least being a 2a or 1b center.

I think JVR for schenn would be a positive move for the leafs but it will still hurt losing Schenn a lot, but if Aulie Blacker Gardiner Franson all turn into what its looking like they will turn into... Signing a vet shutdown d man should suffice for the leafs with lots of talent on the back end. I think great trades for the leafs would be this.

To STL:
Kadri
Gunner
Mac
3rd

To Tor:
Chris Stewart



To PHI
Luke Schenn


To TOR
JVR

Sign Grabo, dump Lombardi...


Then you got great lines, great power play, great speed and great grit.


Lupul-Connolly/Colborne-Kessel
Stewart-Grabo/Bozak-JVR
Frattin/Kulimen-Bozak/Grabo-Armstrong/Crabb
Brown-Steckel-Army/Crabb

Phaneuf-Aulie
Gardiner-Franson
Liles-Komisarek
Holzer-Blacker


Reimer-Gust


Schenn would be missed, but i think easily 5 of our top 6 could pot 30 and we've got grit speed and the pieces for great special teams, also depth. Not to mention Stewart and JVR are still very young. I think Stewart would be huge standing in front of the net in the playoffs sort of like Byfuglien was. Hes a Toronto kid and i think he would be great on the leafs, as for JVR, i think Schenn is a lot tougher and grittier then he is but all the rumors around it make it seem as its an option, and its too good of an option to pass up, he could easily turn into a 40 goal scorer with size and puck handling skills, also a two way force. Although Schenn would be outstanding in Philly with his bro and he fits perfectly on that team... I think its a great trade for both teams with the risk a little higher for us but this guy could become a scoring machine. Also our bottom 6 will round out well with Ross and Biggs developing.

THANK GOODNESS the Luke Schenn for JVR are dead. If the Leafs are to move a big piece like Schenn they must be gunning for a top 6 true center, JVR doesn't fill the Leafs #1 need, especially at the expense of trading Schenn.

THANK GOODNESS the Luke Schenn for JVR are dead. If the Leafs are to move a big piece like Schenn they must be gunning for a top 6 true center, JVR doesn't fill the Leafs #1 need, especially at the expense of trading Schenn.
- GCHonda

They're not dead...

They're just unlikely... For now...

We have enough guys that can score.....Toronto needs size, toughness and experience.

I say you go big or stay the course.....ie Nash or Getzlaf.

If they are not available....don't do anything but add some cheap experience at the deadline.

Other players will come available later...ie in the summer or next year...
- 3-Bean-Salad

I agree with everything u said 3 B S Except that I'm just not high on Nash as most of Leaf Nation is. We would have to pay a very high price in trade bait, & don't forget Nash's big cap hit & long term contract. I don't think Nash is worth all that considering that he's NOT a #1 true center which is the Leafs #1 void. Now Getzlaf is the guy I'd be after but UNFORTUNATLEY Anahiem is on a hot roll & making a serious push for the playoffs so I'm guessing Getzlaf may now be off the market

They're not dead...

They're just unlikely... For now...



- Mr_Clean

Inlikely means not bloody likely to ever happen & that is just fine by me.

I still think were over valuing Schenn a bit much. He is a good player, but I dont see Philly parting with JVR for him straight up. I think a logical trade would be Luke Schenn for Sam Gagner. Yes or no?

I still think were over valuing Schenn a bit much. He is a good player, but I dont see Philly parting with JVR for him straight up. I think a logical trade would be Luke Schenn for Sam Gagner. Yes or no?
- leafer91

Oh god.

Sam Gagner's 8 point night = 200 comments.
Vague rumour vaguely denied = 665 comments.

I still think were over valuing Schenn a bit much. He is a good player, but I dont see Philly parting with JVR for him straight up. I think a logical trade would be Luke Schenn for Sam Gagner. Yes or no?
- leafer91

He's clearly joking.









I hope...

I personally dont care that much, JVR is a guy waiting to break out and will be at least a 35 goal scorer unless something goes wrong health wise in my opinion. But i also think Schenn is gonna be a great d man... Either way im happy with both players, but not happy with our lack of toughness in our top 6... that needs to change, Chris Stewart and JVR are two wingers i think Burke should target with youth and Clowe and Malone are the veterans i think he should target, as for centers i think he should sign Grabo and wait it out to see what Colborne becomes, we should find out by next year if he has a chance of at least being a 2a or 1b center.
- Bar-South

Bold statement.

I still think were over valuing Schenn a bit much. He is a good player, but I dont see Philly parting with JVR for him straight up. I think a logical trade would be Luke Schenn for Sam Gagner. Yes or no?
- leafer91

Last night aside, Gagner has shown a lot this year, he will go into the dirty area's, fight, block shots, and produce offense when needed. He's grown on me quite a bit and if we move him it just opens up a hole at the 2nd line C spot.

Im happy to keep him as part of the core and let him grow with the rest of the kids.

He's clearly joking.



I hope...
- clarkysduster

What would you expect to get for Schenn in a 1 for 1 trade?

What would you expect to get for Schenn in a 1 for 1 trade?
- robin_steele264

Crosby and a Conditional top 1, 1st round pick if he ends up retiring

I still think were over valuing Schenn a bit much. He is a good player, but I dont see Philly parting with JVR for him straight up. I think a logical trade would be Luke Schenn for Sam Gagner. Yes or no?
- leafer91

your kidding