the point being is the leafs always trade out their prosepcts for immediate help

and it never works
- Dozzer

I wish they would have traded out all those wonder prospects that they drafted during the past decade......... oh hell for the past 20 years or so.

I hope not Stastny.

As for RFA's. It is absolutely 100% crystal clear that there is now an agreement among GM's to not poach each other's RFA's. There is no other way to explain this past summer.
- GoneFullRetard

And I'm very much ok with that. I hope you're right.

I'm not sure about Stastny....I wouldn't be upset about acquiring him but at the same time, whatever package it would take to get him, how much more would you have to add in order to take the next step up to a Getzlaf/Nash. For what it's worth, I don't think Getzlaf is even available.

They are both plus 3 players. So saying Kulemin is amazing defensively and such a complete player still doesn't translate into the statistics.

Kulemin never has really impressed me. Even when he scored his 30 goals, most times it seemed he would either score to pad the lead when the game was over or would get a goal when the other team was up 4 or 5 goals. Personally I don't feel he'll ever be a difference maker and Kadri has that potential
- Sheppy99

....He had 5 GWGs....2nd only to Kessel (with 6). He also had 24 even strength goals...

And I'm very much ok with that. I hope you're right.

I'm not sure about Stastny....I wouldn't be upset about acquiring him but at the same time, whatever package it would take to get him, how much more would you have to add in order to take the next step up to a Getzlaf/Nash. For what it's worth, I don't think Getzlaf is even available.
- Juice

Everyone is available for the right price

Wayne says hello

Played with Stamkos golf during the past summer, when he hadn't signed yet. he had every intention of resigning with Tampa....... they were just dotting the i's and crossing the t's
- faceto27

I remember posting in the summer laughing at all the Stamkos chatter.

I suggested that Stamkos and Yzerman probably spoke for about 5 minutes to go ove reach other's vacation plans and decided to do something when they all got back.

There was never anything more than timing and standard negotiating stuff going on. Tampa was NEVER going to trade Stamkos and I doubt Stamkos was ever going to sign an offer sheet... unless it started to drag into Late September and Tampa was being wholly unreasonable.

I do think that Doughty and the Kings had some issues though.

Of course there is a market...if he can be tradef once...he can be traded again. The salary is a great # long term. It's the length of the term that scares some teams off...but if he doesn't get a long term injury the lenght of term could be a taken as a positive really.
- iLive4theLeafs

According to CapGeek (someone correct me if I'm reading this wrong), he has a NTC - not a NMC.

The last three years of his contract are $3 million, $2 million, $2 million - so if the Leafs wanted to, they could bury him in the A and never worry about it.

If the price was right, I'd take Carter.

And I'm very much ok with that. I hope you're right.

I'm not sure about Stastny....I wouldn't be upset about acquiring him but at the same time, whatever package it would take to get him, how much more would you have to add in order to take the next step up to a Getzlaf/Nash. For what it's worth, I don't think Getzlaf is even available.
- Juice

I don't think Getzlaf Perry or Ryan were every really available and certainly not now with Anaheim making a push of sorts.

he tends to disappear cause the other teams focus is usually on shutting him down. Shut Phil down and the rest of the team does struggle for offense.
- faceto27

The good thing is that Grabo is heating up now while Kessel's cooling off.

Kessel has not carried the Leafs offense for over a month and was HORRIBLE last night.

Yes, with a #1 center he might put up more numbers but his tendency to disappear for LONG stretches of games is consistent.
- GoneFullRetard

Well, he's been more consistent this year offensively then in past years. I'm also pretty sure, Seguin hasn't potted points in every game... As a matter of fact, Seguin started off the year quite hot and cooled down.

My point here is that, we got a proven 30 goal scorer. Since he's been here, he's consistently scored 30 goals. That's been consistent, no matter the time between goal 15 and 16, or 29 and 30. He's scored 30 goals or more for 3 years straight, going on 4...

Two of those years, the team he played for lacked talent, seriously lacked talent.

Seguin, may end up being better than Kessel, but don't suggest that the situation he finds himself in in Boston has no bearing on what he's accomplished.

I still think Grabo should be onthe # 1 line .

Lupul - Grabo - Kessel
Mac - Bozak - Lombo
Kuli - Conn - Armstrong
Crabb - Steckel - Brown

thoughts???
- TrueLeaf07

On paper it looks that way but we have to have 3 scoring lines. The chemistry is set as it is, the lines shouldn't be moved much for the rest of the year as long as we stay healthy.

Or until Burke makes a trade of course lol

According to CapGeek (someone correct me if I'm reading this wrong), he has a NTC - not a NMC.

The last three years of his contract are $3 million, $2 million, $2 million - so if the Leafs wanted to, they could bury him in the A and never worry about it.

If the price was right, I'd take Carter.
- Atomic Wedgie

I would take Carter also... I just think the price will be prohibitive. I also worry about his attitude.

I still think Grabo should be onthe # 1 line .

Lupul - Grabo - Kessel
Mac - Bozak - Lombo
Kuli - Conn - Armstrong
Crabb - Steckel - Brown

thoughts???
- TrueLeaf07

They might need 2 pucks on the ice if they put Grabo on the first line with Lupul and Kessel. Too many puck carriers on one line. It might work if you moved Lupul to another line.

According to CapGeek (someone correct me if I'm reading this wrong), he has a NTC - not a NMC.

The last three years of his contract are $3 million, $2 million, $2 million - so if the Leafs wanted to, they could bury him in the A and never worry about it.

If the price was right, I'd take Carter.
- Atomic Wedgie

Hey we agree again...what's going on?

Everyone is available for the right price

Wayne says hello
- faceto27

Naw, I know. But you know what I mean.

Tell Wayne I said "Hi".

Well, he's been more consistent this year offensively then in past years. I'm also pretty sure, Seguin hasn't potted points in every game... As a matter of fact, Seguin started off the year quite hot and cooled down.

My point here is that, we got a proven 30 goal scorer. Since he's been here, he's consistently scored 30 goals. That's been consistent, no matter the time between goal 15 and 16, or 29 and 30. He's scored 30 goals or more for 3 years straight, going on 4...

Two of those years, the team he played for lacked talent, seriously lacked talent.

Seguin, may end up being better than Kessel, but don't suggest that the situation he finds himself in in Boston has no bearing on what he's accomplished.
- PTVinnyMac

What wins it for me between Seguin and Kessel is that Kessel would still be putting up the points if he were in Boston.

If Seguin were in Toronto right now I don't think he puts up good numbers yet.

Kessel has not carried the Leafs offense for over a month and was HORRIBLE last night.

Yes, with a #1 center he might put up more numbers but his tendency to disappear for LONG stretches of games is consistent.
- GoneFullRetard

All players go through this. Even the stars... See Ovechkin, Alex. Malkin, Evgeni, Stamkos, Steve... Need I continue?

Prove ...no. Regret ...in hindsight, yes. I'm on the record as saying I would have made the deal at that point in time. Two Kadri's and a Knight for Kessel .....any day of the week. The problem was Toskola and the Leafs were far worse then anybody not named Uggie would have predicted.

F'n Toskola.
- The Law

Have you ever had D:Vin Wines. We sell 3 wintages or 3 different years. The 2000 has been named one of the world's best buys at $ 65.00

Prove ...no. Regret ...in hindsight, yes. I'm on the record as saying I would have made the deal at that point in time. Two Kadri's and a Knight for Kessel .....any day of the week. The problem was Toskola and the Leafs were far worse then anybody not named Uggie would have predicted.

F'n Toskola.
- The Law

Double post.

Well, he's been more consistent this year offensively then in past years. I'm also pretty sure, Seguin hasn't potted points in every game... As a matter of fact, Seguin started off the year quite hot and cooled down.

My point here is that, we got a proven 30 goal scorer. Since he's been here, he's consistently scored 30 goals. That's been consistent, no matter the time between goal 15 and 16, or 29 and 30. He's scored 30 goals or more for 3 years straight, going on 4...

Two of those years, the team he played for lacked talent, seriously lacked talent.

Seguin, may end up being better than Kessel, but don't suggest that the situation he finds himself in in Boston has no bearing on what he's accomplished.
- PTVinnyMac

I never did suggest that. I just generally don't make arguements on stuff like that... no matter how much I might agree with you in this case.

The Biggest difference is not the goalie however. Seguin enjoys playing for a team that intimidates everyone. I seriously wonder if he wouldn't look a lot like Kadri playing for the softest team in the league.

I don't think Getzlaf Perry or Ryan were every really available and certainly not now with Anaheim making a push of sorts.
- GoneFullRetard

So pissed last night...checking my pool and I see Anaheim up 3-1 and think "yes, definitely going to get a least a point from Getzlaf and Selanne if they've got 3 goals. Opens the box score...Cogliano with the natural hat-trick. FAK

What wins it for me between Seguin and Kessel is that Kessel would still be putting up the points if he were in Boston.

If Seguin were in Toronto right now I don't think he puts up good numbers yet.
- leafs93

This is what I'm trying to say....

Are we a better team today with Seguin and without Kessel? I sincerely doubt it.

According to CapGeek (someone correct me if I'm reading this wrong), he has a NTC - not a NMC.

The last three years of his contract are $3 million, $2 million, $2 million - so if the Leafs wanted to, they could bury him in the A and never worry about it.

If the price was right, I'd take Carter.
- Atomic Wedgie

Here is my issue with Carter...

Columbus gave up sean couturier, jakub voracek and Nick Cousins as it turns out. If anyone is to aquire him I assume they have to give up a Similar package..say from the leafs

Kadri, Kuli and a 1st...and that might not be enough

His value may have dropped in our eyes, but what about columbus, they will look silly if they take anything less than what they gave up

I wish they would have traded out all those wonder prospects that they drafted during the past decade......... oh hell for the past 20 years or so.
- faceto27

ooo sarcasm.. thats new.

I have no idea what that poster was referring to when he said Burke made 4 bad deals. He is clueless
- faceto27

Yeah no kidding. Only 1 trade that's "bad" and really it's not a terrible trade, just one that looks like Boston won it, not by a huge margin yet

I never did suggest that. I just generally don't make arguements on stuff like that... no matter how much I might agree with you in this case.

The Biggest difference is not the goalie however. Seguin enjoys playing for a team that intimidates everyone. I seriously wonder if he wouldn't look a lot like Kadri playing for the softest team in the league.
- GoneFullRetard

This is what I mean tho. That's the thing, I don't think Seguin would make us any better than we are with Kessel. I think we actually might be weaker with him.

And it all goes down to one simple fact, who got the better player in the deal. Well, in terms of better player for their team, I think Burke got that hands down.