Well if its only 1 player, and knowing we have Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier... I would buyout Briere knowing his cap hit is higher and for the next 3 years and has a NMC... Thats just me though.
- RooNosHockey

The only guy I would consider buying out is Pronger. If he's going to be a 5 year deadweight on off season spending, plus a LTIR carry all, I'd lean towards buying him out.

The only guy I would consider buying out is Pronger. If he's going to be a 5 year deadweight on off season spending, plus a LTIR carry all, I'd lean towards buying him out.
- Jsaquella

Can you buy out an injured player

The only guy I would consider buying out is Pronger. If he's going to be a 5 year deadweight on off season spending, plus a LTIR carry all, I'd lean towards buying him out.
- Jsaquella

Yea, I could see the benefit of buying out Pronger, but you can LTIR him. I would rather get rid of Briere's 6.5 million cap hit, when you have Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier at center already... Plus Briere has a NMC, which means your stuck with the contract.

Can you buy out an injured player
- jak521

If they adopt the NBA rule word for word, yes. But you can buy out any contract in the NHL during the summer.

Yea, I could see the benefit of buying out Pronger, but you can LTIR him. I would rather get rid of Briere's 6.5 million cap hit, when you have Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier at center already... Plus Briere has a NMC, which means your stuck with the contract.
- RooNosHockey

Briere's physically able to play and usually steps up like a monster in the playoffs. Briere, Schenn or Couturier are all capable of shifting to wing if need be.

Besides, Briere's contract is not an over 35 deal. If he was to retire or sustain a career ending injury, they can have him retire and not worry about the contract at all.

Yea, I could see the benefit of buying out Pronger, but you can LTIR him. I would rather get rid of Briere's 6.5 million cap hit, when you have Giroux, Schenn, and Couturier at center already... Plus Briere has a NMC, which means your stuck with the contract.
- RooNosHockey

If someone is bought out theres nothing stopping other teams from pursuing that player right?

If someone is bought out theres nothing stopping other teams from pursuing that player right?
- kgrpitt

Nope. Any player bought out is immediately a UFA.

If they adopt the NBA rule word for word, yes. But you can buy out any contract in the NHL during the summer.
- Jsaquella

Ah.. didnt know that.

If it came down to it.. I would seriously have to contemplate a few things..

Pronger can be LTIR'd during the season which would open up a big chunk of cap space for deadline deal and what have you.. but cripples us in free agent spending over the summer. If the CBA was able to rectify that, and put in a clause that allows spending to that injured cap # or allowed LTIR to carry through.. I would buy him out.

The only other person I would have to seriously think about would be Bryz. I dont like a 9 year deal with a 31 yearold goalie.. especially one with a NMC. Only problem is that you bascially swallow 51 million dollars on one season.. and that would never happen.

Can you buy out an injured player
- jak521

No. If you recall, Drury threatened to grieve his buyout because he said he had a career ending knee injury. There was a bit of a firestorm (because, really Chris) but once he realized he'd get paid roughly the same amount bought out or not he dropped it and the Rangers bought him out. Most guys would not be at that point in their contract where the money was about equal either way.

No. If you recall, Drury threatened to grieve his buyout because he said he had a career ending knee injury. There was a bit of a firestorm (because, really Chris) but once he realized he'd get paid roughly the same amount bought out or not he dropped it and the Rangers bought him out. Most guys would not be at that point in their contract.
- bodiva88

Thats what I had thought.

Briere's physically able to play and usually steps up like a monster in the playoffs. Briere, Schenn or Couturier are all capable of shifting to wing if need be.

Besides, Briere's contract is not an over 35 deal. If he was to retire or sustain a career ending injury, they can have him retire and not worry about the contract at all.
- Jsaquella

Agreed on this. Other than Pronger, the Flyers don't have any "horrible" contracts that would warrant a buy-out. Buying out Pronger would obviously give us 1 less contract on the books, free up the cap space during the off-season to make signings, and it would allow Pronger to simply retire and put hockey behind him (if that's what he's ready to do). Sure he likely wouldn't mind putting on the skates once a year to prove he can't play hockey, but why go through that if you don't have to?

Briere is a beast in playoffs. He'll have a place on this team the next 3 years. We see the value he provides both on and off the ice; no need to buy him out. Timonen is on his last year and would likely re-sign for much less after this contract expires, if he's still willing to play. No need to buy him out.

Now buying out Shelley? That would mean we got rid of his contract and he wouldn't be allowed to come back to Philly, if it mirrors the NBA-concept

No. If you recall, Drury threatened to grieve his buyout because he said he had a career ending knee injury. There was a bit of a firestorm (because, really Chris) but once he realized he'd get paid roughly the same amount bought out or not he dropped it and the Rangers bought him out. Most guys would not be at that point in their contract.
- bodiva88

You can buy them out, though. They can follow a grievance procedure, but there's nothing that says that you can't buy out an injured guy.

In the case of an amnesty buyout, there would be no accommodation for a grievance, at least following in the NBA example.

Agreed on this. Other than Pronger, the Flyers don't have any "horrible" contracts that would warrant a buy-out. Buying out Pronger would obviously give us 1 less contract on the books, free up the cap space during the off-season to make signings, and it would allow Pronger to simply retire and put hockey behind him (if that's what he's ready to do). Sure he likely wouldn't mind putting on the skates once a year to prove he can't play hockey, but why go through that if you don't have to?

Briere is a beast in playoffs. He'll have a place on this team the next 3 years. We see the value he provides both on and off the ice; no need to buy him out. Timonen is on his last year and would likely re-sign for much less after this contract expires, if he's still willing to play. No need to buy him out.

Now buying out Shelley? That would mean we got rid of his contract and he wouldn't be allowed to come back to Philly, if it mirrors the NBA-concept
- steelydan

Shelley has one year on his deal. They can simply send him to the Phantoms or just do a plain old buyout. His cap hit, if bought out this June, would be $500K in 2012-13 and $300K in 2013-14

Technically, all Pronger needs to prove is that he's not free from PC symptoms and not be cleared medically to play to justify LTIR

Shelley has one year on his deal. They can simply send him to the Phantoms or just do a plain old buyout. His cap hit, if bought out this June, would be $500K in 2012-13 and $300K in 2013-14

Technically, all Pronger needs to prove is that he's not free from PC symptoms and not be cleared medically to play to justify LTIR
- Jsaquella

Shelley was a bit of sarcasm, surprised you weren't able to pick up on it.

And regardless of whether or not he has to literally has to put on skates or just give them a doctor's note, my other points still stand...

Shelley has one year on his deal. They can simply send him to the Phantoms or just do a plain old buyout. His cap hit, if bought out this June, would be $500K in 2012-13 and $300K in 2013-14

Technically, all Pronger needs to prove is that he's not free from PC symptoms and not be cleared medically to play to justify LTIR
- Jsaquella

I dont expect to see Pronger back on the ice anytime soon (as much as I would). Its crazy to think that Pronger still has five years left on his contract.

If someone is bought out theres nothing stopping other teams from pursuing that player right?
- kgrpitt

Thinking about buying out Crosby?

The Detroit Red Wings are last in the NHL in fights with seven. They're the only team that's not in double digits in terms of number of fights. That being said, the Red Wings are not likely to look to acquire a fighter before the trade deadline. "No, not someone who fights, because to me, that is a waste of time," Red Wings coach Mike Babcock said. "Fighting? What are you going to do, fight at the stoppages in the playoffs? I think you've got to play. Now, if you're capable of playing and doing both, then that's great. But that wouldn't be a priority."
Source: Detroit News

Interesting. Who needs an enforcer.

I dont expect to see Pronger back on the ice anytime soon (as much as I would). Its crazy to think that Pronger still has five years left on his contract.
- stveshdy

Pronger had a little bit of leverage in getting that deal as Holmgren traded the equivalent of 4 1st round picks for him. Plus the Flyers didn't understand the 35+ rule completely when they gave him that contract. They thought he'd be able to retire partway through the contract and not count against the cap.

If they adopt the NBA rule word for word, yes. But you can buy out any contract in the NHL during the summer.
- Jsaquella

NHL shouldn't do anything the NBA does word for word....

Pronger had a little bit of leverage in getting that deal as Holmgren traded the equivalent of 4 1st round picks for him. Plus the Flyers didn't understand the 35+ rule completely when they gave him that contract. They thought he'd be able to retire partway through the contract and not count against the cap.
- Flyers_01

If what your saying is true "not understanding the 35+ rule completely" that is embarrassing. As a GM its your job to know that information before signing a player to a contract.

all rumour hell is breaking lose up here with Leafs talking to CLB about Nash

Should be an interesting few weeks

If what your saying is true "not understanding the 35+ rule completely" that is embarrassing. As a GM its your job to know that information before signing a player to a contract.
- stveshdy

The confusion came in because Pronger was 34 when he signed the contract, but because it was an extension the contract didn't kick in until after he was 35. I think this was the first time something like this happened and instead of trying to re-work a deal, the Flyers just said they were ok with the contract as it stands.

all rumour hell is breaking lose up here with Leafs talking to CLB about Nash

Should be an interesting few weeks
- Buts16

carter will be dealt, but not nash, eh?

edit: sounds like dreger thinks ruutu will be the first shoe to drop.

all rumour hell is breaking lose up here with Leafs talking to CLB about Nash

Should be an interesting few weeks
- Buts16

Columbus is going to be screwed for the forseeable future...

Columbus is going to be screwed for the forseeable future...
- RooNosHockey

they've got some good young players. if steve mason didn't absolutely lose his mind after he won the calder and was finalist for the vezina, things would be a lot different there, probably.