That's a lot. I could be convinced to include Carle as we might not be able to sign him, but with JVR, that's a lot. The whole Pronger situation has us (frank)ed 8 ways to Tuesday IMO.
- Hextall271

Yea I was thinking Carle too, but he is UFA and puts Nashville in the same boat. Doubt you could get Suter for JVR straight up, which if you include Carle, thats almost what it is.

As far as on ice this season and the next couple? Sure. But not $-wise. LTIR and it's like he was never there.
- OrangeBlack27

But isn't he on the cap during the summer, limiting their spending?

As far as on ice this season and the next couple? Sure. But not $-wise. LTIR and it's like he was never there.
- OrangeBlack27

Yeah, I am talking on ice.. The team was constructed with him as #1 and Timo 1 A and everyone after fell into place depth wise. With him out, everyone shifts up, Timo plays more than he probably should/may get weary down the stretch, and now we have to give up young assets to re tool the D. Sucks...

http://www.philly.com/phi...Suter-trade-unlikely.html

As far as on ice this season and the next couple? Sure. But not $-wise. LTIR and it's like he was never there.
- OrangeBlack27

Having a player on LTIR really hurts you in the off-season, because his salary hits the books again, and limits how much the Flyers can go over the cap to spend of UFA's. It also counts as a roster player/ contract player, and the Flyers are up against the max on that as well. It does really hurt.

Having a player on LTIR really hurts you in the off-season, because his salary hits the books again, and limits how much the Flyers can go over the cap to spend of UFA's. It also counts as a roster player/ contract player, and the Flyers are up against the max on that as well. It does really hurt.
- RooNosHockey

The Flyers are not over the limit. They have 50 deals, but the Noebbels contract is a slide deal, meaning they have 49 contracts that actually count.

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/frequentflyers/Source-Suter-trade-unlikely.html
- Hextall271

Even if he was on the market, with JvR and Briere out there's limited offensive depth to move to land him.

http://www.nhl.com/ice/news.htm?id=614246

Gotta love the love Hartsy is getting... even the comments from the fans of other teams!

- Don'tForgetTocchet

Weber to Philly for Edler?

Even if he was on the market, with JvR and Briere out there's limited offensive depth to move to land him.
- Jsaquella

Do you think Homer continues to work hard at landing these unsigned college kids? He has done a hell of a job at signing undrafted players (who make big impacts) over the past few seasons.

Having a player on LTIR really hurts you in the off-season, because his salary hits the books again, and limits how much the Flyers can go over the cap to spend of UFA's. It also counts as a roster player/ contract player, and the Flyers are up against the max on that as well. It does really hurt.
- RooNosHockey

Not ideal, obviously, but it does not kill them.

But isn't he on the cap during the summer, limiting their spending?
- bradleyc4

Yep. All one way contracts count toward a team's spending in the summer. Teams can spend 10% over the cap, but Walker and Pronger will count against that amount.

The Flyers are not over the limit. They have 50 deals, but the Noebbels contract is a slide deal, meaning they have 49 contracts that actually count.
- Jsaquella

But Pronger's contract still counts in the off-season, which means thats is one less player then can offer a contract to prior to the season starting. They may have 49, but that is still high, and doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.

Do you think Homer continues to work hard at landing these unsigned college kids? He has done a hell of a job at signing undrafted players (who make big impacts) over the past few seasons.
- jak521

I think part of the effort to go after NCAA free agents was born out of the lack of draft choices. Right now they could possibly have three picks in the first two rounds. If they keep them all, I think that the number of signed NCAA FA's drops, but not the interest.

Yep. All one way contracts count toward a team's spending in the summer. Teams can spend 10% over the cap, but Walker and Pronger will count against that amount.
- Jsaquella

Geez, isnt Walker UFA yet?

I think part of the effort to go after NCAA free agents was born out of the lack of draft choices. Right now they could possibly have three picks in the first two rounds. If they keep them all, I think that the number of signed NCAA FA's drops, but not the interest.
- Jsaquella

Thats why I was wondering.. I think the effort was there because they needed to do something to bring in future prospects and what not. Im not talking solely NCAA, but undrafted guys in general..

Over the past 2 seasons we have landed 4 guys who are currently playing big roles on the team right now: Bob, Gussy, Read, Harry Z. Am I forgetting anybody else?

Do you think Homer continues to work hard at landing these unsigned college kids? He has done a hell of a job at signing undrafted players (who make big impacts) over the past few seasons.
- jak521

That's a possibility. I still can't believe what a find Read is..

But Pronger's contract still counts in the off-season, which means thats is one less player then can offer a contract to prior to the season starting. They may have 49, but that is still high, and doesn't leave a lot of wiggle room.
- RooNosHockey

Other contracts will be expiring. Jagr, Betts, Laperriere Carle, Jancevski, Bacashihua, Backlund and Leighton all will come off the count on July 1st, dropping them to 43. Then there's RFA's that might not get qualifying offers, like Mike Testwuide and Andrew Rowe.

Thats why I was wondering.. I think the effort was there because they needed to do something to bring in future prospects and what not. Im not talking solely NCAA, but undrafted guys in general..

Over the past 2 seasons we have landed 4 guys who are currently playing big roles on the team right now: Bob, Gussy, Read, Harry Z. Am I forgetting anybody else?
- jak521

I can't think of anyone else, but still they have done a good job at finding nuggets out there as well as anybody.

Geez, isnt Walker UFA yet?
- RooNosHockey

Nope. 1 year left on his deal after this one.

Suck it! Phaneuf!

Other contracts will be expiring. Jagr, Betts, Laperriere Carle, Jancevski, Bacashihua, Backlund and Leighton all will come off the count on July 1st, dropping them to 43. Then there's RFA's that might not get qualifying offers, like Mike Testwuide and Andrew Rowe.
- Jsaquella

True, but Homer has a crap load of draft picks this year and you have to figure he will want to sign a few of them, plus when you lose players like Jagr and Carle, they have to be replaced. All I am saying is Prongers situation hurts them 2 ways not just on the ice. It hurts them in the off-season with spending, and it eats up a contract spot.

Maybe in the off-season with a New CBA deal in the works, an amnisty clause might be able to be used on him...

Normally, this stuff doesn't bother me... And, I have no love for the Leafs. But, I thought it was down-right rude. Especially, during the draft - Every time Lupul spoke... It's similar to what I tell my kidz... Once is funny, twice is old news, more than three time is just not funny, irritating, and rude.
- leon neon

I'm glad Lupul handled it the way he did.

Suck it! Phaneuf!



- MBFlyerfan

"The Seden triplets."

Hartsy's the best.