Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
Jan 23 @ 10:11 AM ET
I like to compare the two countries, to show Canadians that we are way overtaxed, and we should demand less services, less spending and lower taxes from all levels of governments.
Some Canadians feel fine with current "Equalization" formula, the Billion plus tax dollars that we pour into the CBC every year and the benefits handed to refugees that long time taxpaying Canadians don't even receive. - Doppleganger
If the money they put in the CBC was put in Sun News, you wouldn't even talk about it.
A Parable about Socialism
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words, redistribution of wealth.
She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.
One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.
Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, as she worked with other people in a group. Most of them were competent and they all worked more or less to the best of their abilities. However, due to the fact that she had formed the group, she got to distribute the grades and often saved the best for herself, based solely on the fact that she formed the group, rather than on individual performance and despite the fact that all the others worked just as hard and contributed just as much,
Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. She hasn't sucked up to anyone, nor has she been particularly ruthless. As a result, I've only given her a 2.0, despite her working just as hard as me. Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of your GPA.'
The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, 'That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I formed the group! I had an idea that others, like Audrey, improved upon and then combined with their own ideas, then I took the credit and praise. I should be the one who gets the grades, even if the others are putting forth just as much if not more effort.'
The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the conservative's philosophy.'
If the money they put in the CBC was put in Sun News, you wouldn't even talk about it. - Pecafan Fan
Yes I would.
Taxpayers have shovelled millions and millions of our tax dollars into Bombardier over the last few decades, and I've complained about that just as much as the taxpayer sinkhole that is the CBC.
We're all taxpayers, no matter our political leanings. Why should taxpayers fund a business, that competes in the free market??
Taxpayers have shovelled millions and millions of our tax dollars into Bombardier over the last few decades, and I've complained about that just as much as the taxpayer sinkhole that is the CBC.
We're all taxpayers, no matter our political leanings. Why should taxpayers fund a business, that competes in the free market??
Yeah, those would be the first services to be cut. - Doppleganger
While you certainly read a lot and have a grasp of current events, you are easily the most socially retarded poster I have ever come across, and I have interacted with guys that post their arm tattoos and people who are on the cover of EA Sports NHL and jsr
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
Jan 23 @ 10:23 AM ET
Yes I would.
Taxpayers have shovelled millions and millions of our tax dollars into Bombardier over the last few decades, and I've complained about that just as much as the taxpayer sinkhole that is the CBC.
We're all taxpayers, no matter our political leanings. Why should taxpayers fund a business, that competes in the free market??
I don't think there's 1 country in the world that doesn't support large companies in order to create jobs and growth.
BTW, I'm a small business owner and I never asked for taxpayers dollars in order to sustain my business. But I don't blame larger companies that need that money in order to better their situation.
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
Jan 23 @ 10:24 AM ET
While you certainly read a lot and have a grasp of current events, you are easily the most socially retarded poster I have ever come across, and I have interacted with guys that post their arm tattoos and people who are on the cover of EA Sports NHL and jsr - the_cause2000
While you certainly read a lot and have a grasp of current events, you are easily the most socially retarded poster I have ever come across, and I have interacted with guys that post their arm tattoos and people who are on the cover of EA Sports NHL and jsr - the_cause2000
Do you always insult the people that you disagree with???
You never bring anything to the table on any issue under discussion here, other than insults.
Being uniformed, and unable to debate a topic with any substance and being able to back it up with facts, must really bring out the whiny, name calling, insulting child in you.
I don't think there's 1 country in the world that doesn't support large companies in order to create jobs and growth.
BTW, I'm a small business owner and I never asked for taxpayers dollars in order to sustain my business. But I don't blame larger companies that need that money in order to better their situation. - Pecafan Fan
When you say "money" I assume you mean tax-dollars, including your own.
I doubt you want to divulge the nature of your business, so let me suggest that if you were operating a Travel agency, and there was a competitor right across the street from your business, and was receiving government funding AKA tax-dollars (yours and mine) to totally run their business and compete for the same customers you want to serve.
Do you always insult the people that you disagree with???
You never bring anything to the table on any issue under discussion here, other than insults.
Being uniformed, and unable to debate a topic with any substance and being able to back it up with facts, must really bring out the whiny, name calling, insulting child in you. - Doppleganger
The ironic part is that I have never engaged in a debate with you in the first place. I have been making fun of your inability to interact with other humans on a normal level by giving you absurd comments that are clearly a joke and have no purpose other than to see if you can tell its a joke. Which you can't. Because you have some form of mental disorder which does not allow you to interact in a social setting with any form of comfort or confidence.
You're like the handicapped guy on the bus that people ask to say the alphabet for them because he says 'G' really funny, only the handicapped guy thinks its because people want to hear a really awesome alphabet. The only difference is handicapped guys are generally likeable and would eventually comprehend sarcasm even on a message board.
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
Jan 23 @ 10:35 AM ET
When you say "money" I assume you mean tax-dollars, including your own.
I doubt you want to divulge the nature of your business, so let me suggest that if you were operating a Travel agency, and there was a competitor right across the street from your business, and was receiving government funding AKA tax-dollars (yours and mine) to totally run their business and compete for the same customers you want to serve.
How would you feel about that? - Doppleganger
I'm in a pretty competitive marketplace already. With bigger players benefiting from tax dollars to get even bigger.
I don't want to become a bigger player, at all. I don't care too much for what they do or how they operate their business.
The ironic part is that I have never engaged in a debate with you in the first place. I have been making fun of your inability to interact with other humans on a normal level by giving you absurd comments that are clearly a joke and have no purpose other than to see if you can tell its a joke. Which you can't. Because you have some form of mental disorder which does not allow you to interact in a social setting with any form of comfort or confidence.
You're like the handicapped guy on the bus that people ask to say the alphabet for them because he says 'G' really funny, only the handicapped guy thinks its because people want to hear a really awesome alphabet. The only difference is handicapped guys are generally likeable and would eventually comprehend sarcasm even on a message board. - the_cause2000
A Parable about Socialism
A young woman was about to finish her first year of college. Like so many others her age, she considered herself to be a very liberal Democrat, and among other liberal ideals, was very much in favor of higher taxes to support more government programs, in other words, redistribution of wealth.
She was deeply ashamed that her father was a rather staunch Conservative, a feeling she openly expressed. Based on the lectures that she had participated in, and the occasional chat with a professor, she felt that her father had for years harbored an evil, selfish desire to keep what he thought should be his.
One day she was challenging her father on his opposition to higher taxes on the rich and the need for more government programs. The self-professed objectivity proclaimed by her professors had to be the truth and she indicated so to her father. He responded by asking how she was doing in school.
Taken aback, she answered rather haughtily that she had a 4.0 GPA, as she worked with other people in a group. Most of them were competent and they all worked more or less to the best of their abilities. However, due to the fact that she had formed the group, she got to distribute the grades and often saved the best for herself, based solely on the fact that she formed the group, rather than on individual performance and despite the fact that all the others worked just as hard and contributed just as much,
Her father listened and then asked, 'How is your friend Audrey doing?' She replied, 'Audrey is barely getting by. She hasn't sucked up to anyone, nor has she been particularly ruthless. As a result, I've only given her a 2.0, despite her working just as hard as me. Her wise father asked his daughter, 'Why don't you go to the Dean's office and ask him to deduct 1.0 off your GPA and give it to your friend who only has a 2.0. That way you will both have a 3.0 GPA and certainly that would be a fair and equal distribution of your GPA.'
The daughter, visibly shocked by her father's suggestion, angrily fired back, 'That's a crazy idea, how would that be fair! I formed the group! I had an idea that others, like Audrey, improved upon and then combined with their own ideas, then I took the credit and praise. I should be the one who gets the grades, even if the others are putting forth just as much if not more effort.'
The father slowly smiled, winked and said gently, 'Welcome to the conservative's philosophy.' - Doppleganger
Terrible parable. Not at all surprising.
The flaw here, and with conservative thinking in general, is the assumption that the harder you work, the more you get paid... and this just isn't the case at all. If we lived in a world were equal work equaled equal pay, the point would be valid, but as it stands, we don't and it's not.
Some of the hardest working people find themselves below the poverty line.
I'm in a pretty competitive marketplace already. With bigger players benefiting from tax dollars to get even bigger.
I don't want to become a bigger player, at all. I don't care too much for what they do or how they operate their business. - Pecafan Fan
So you're okay with your business competing on an uneven playing field, with a competitor that is totally funded with tax-dollars??
You have to pay taxes on your earning, while the taxpayer funded competitor across the street uses some of your hard earned income, to compete against you.
The flaw here, and with conservative thinking in general, is the assumption that the harder you work, the more you get paid... and this just isn't the case at all. If we lived in a world were equal work equaled equal pay, the point would be valid, but as it stands, we don't and it's not.
Some of the hardest working people find themselves below the poverty line. - Feeling Glucky?
Socialism In The Classroom
An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student, but had once failed an entire class.
The class (students) insisted that socialism worked since no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism."
"All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A," said the professor.
After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who had studied hard were upset while the students who had studied very little were happy.
But, as the second test rolled around, the students who had studied little studied even less and the ones who had studied hard decided that since they couldn't make an A, they also studied less. The second Test average was a D.
No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average grade was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling, all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else.
To their great surprise they all failed.
The professor told them that socialism, too, would ultimately fail because of the same basic human principles of incentive.
The harder people try to succeed the greater their reward (capitalism), but when a government takes all the reward away (socialism) no one will try or succeed.
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme Joined: 01.20.2009
Jan 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
So you're okay with your business competing on an uneven playing field, with a competitor that is totally funded with tax-dollars??
You have to pay taxes on your earning, while the taxpayer funded competitor across the street uses some of your hard earned income, to compete against you.
To me that is not fair. - Doppleganger
Totally funded with tax-dollars is quite an exaggeration.
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option. Joined: 09.29.2005
Jan 23 @ 10:42 AM ET
While you certainly read a lot and have a grasp of current events, you are easily the most socially retarded poster I have ever come across, and I have interacted with guys that post their arm tattoos and people who are on the cover of EA Sports NHL and jsr - the_cause2000
An economics professor at Texas Tech said he had never failed a single student, but had once failed an entire class.
The class (students) insisted that socialism worked since no one would be poor and no one would be rich, a great equalizer. The professor then said, "OK, we will have an experiment in this class on socialism."
"All grades will be averaged and everyone will receive the same grade so no one will fail and no one will receive an A," said the professor.
After the first test the grades were averaged and everyone got a B. The students who had studied hard were upset while the students who had studied very little were happy.
But, as the second test rolled around, the students who had studied little studied even less and the ones who had studied hard decided that since they couldn't make an A, they also studied less. The second Test average was a D.
No one was happy. When the 3rd test rolled around the average grade was an F.
The scores never increased as bickering, blame, name calling, all resulted in hard feelings and no one would study for anyone else.
To their great surprise they all failed.
The professor told them that socialism, too, would ultimately fail because of the same basic human principles of incentive.
The harder people try to succeed the greater their reward (capitalism), but when a government takes all the reward away (socialism) no one will try or succeed. - Doppleganger
Thank you for copy and pasting a rehash of argument I already dismantled. I'm sure you thought long and hard about that CTRL-C CTRL-V combo you just pulled.
