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Forums :: Misc. Lounge :: Barack Obama Appreciation Thread pt 2
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Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 17 @ 11:44 AM ET
The most important thing is that we need to be a party that is inclusive and tolerant. We can be those things and be the party we always have been. We need to think about the environment - Teddy Roosevelt was a great environmentalist and people forget Reagan was the one who dealt with the ozone layer with the Montreal protocol. We also need to talk about healthcare honestly - Nixon almost passed universal healthcare. We need to have an talk about immigration and realize you can't just deport people. We need a comprehensive answer. We also need to stay out of people's bedrooms. The party that is for small government shouldn't be over-reaching into people's private lives.

Mainly, we need to be a party where people know what we are for, not just what we are against.

- Arnold Schwarzenegger

Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 17 @ 11:44 AM ET
try again.
- Feeling Glucky?



Typical LWP, has all the "right" ideas that would make society a socialist utopia for everyone, but has no hope of ever seeing it happen because of the impracticality of it all.

Progressives always try to capitalize on tragedies, and have' have always used them as a pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.

Just continue with your little talking points, games and insults.............because you can't present any credible arguments for the issues you disagree with.

You remind me of the old joke about Lenin, Stalin and Gorbachev travelling on a train together through Siberia.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 17 @ 11:47 AM ET
Typical LWP, has all the "right" ideas that would make society a utopia for everyone, but has no hope of ever seeing it happen because of the impracticality of it all.

Progressives always try to capitalize on tragedies, and have' have always used them as a pretext on which the safeguards of individual liberty have been eroded.

Just continue with your little talking points, games and insults.............because you can't present any credible arguments for the issues you disagree with.

You remind me of the old joke about Lenin, Stalin and Gorbachev travelling on a train together through Siberia.

- Doppleganger



It's really not my fault you're skipping over a pretty obvious line in such a small post.

Hilarious how you accuse others of not reading your giant copy& pastes(that even you don't read sometimes) and yet can't follow through a couple of tiny paragraphs, choosing instead to rely on your preconceptions.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jan 17 @ 12:39 PM ET
The most important thing is that we need to be a party that is inclusive and tolerant. We can be those things and be the party we always have been. We need to think about the environment - Teddy Roosevelt was a great environmentalist and people forget Reagan was the one who dealt with the ozone layer with the Montreal protocol. We also need to talk about healthcare honestly - Nixon almost passed universal healthcare. We need to have an talk about immigration and realize you can't just deport people. We need a comprehensive answer. We also need to stay out of people's bedrooms. The party that is for small government shouldn't be over-reaching into people's private lives.

Mainly, we need to be a party where people know what we are for, not just what we are against.

- Arnold Schwarzenegger


- Crimsoninja

interesting the way he made his points and just made his points. no gibberish added.
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jan 17 @ 12:40 PM ET
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jan 18 @ 12:05 AM ET
http://www.washingtonpost...e-age-of-obama/index.html
Pie
Montreal Canadiens
Location: taking the low road
Joined: 10.14.2006

Jan 18 @ 6:40 AM ET
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/special/lifestyle/the-age-of-obama/index.html
- watsonnostaw

To be fair Abe's beard added 10 years.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 18 @ 9:02 AM ET
interesting the way he made his points and just made his points. no gibberish added.
- kicksave856

He's not gonna get anywhere with that attitude.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 18 @ 9:46 AM ET
The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free Meals and Food Stamps ever, to 46 million people.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."





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Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 18 @ 9:49 AM ET
The Food Stamp Program, administered by the U.S. Department of Agriculture, is proud to be distributing this year the greatest amount of free Meals and Food Stamps ever, to 46 million people.

Meanwhile, the National Park Service, administered by the U.S. Department of the Interior, asks "Please Do Not Feed the Animals." Their stated reason for the policy is because "The animals will grow dependent on handouts and will not learn to take care of themselves."

- Doppleganger


Good God you're stupid. It's not even funny anymore.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 18 @ 9:59 AM ET
Obama Jobs Council hits 1 year without official meeting

President Barack Obama's Jobs Council hit a notable milestone on Thursday: one year without an official meeting. The 26-member panel is also set to expire at the end of the month, unless Obama extends its tenure.

http://www.politico.com/b...icial-meeting-154524.html
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 18 @ 10:07 AM ET
Good God you're stupid. It's not even funny anymore.
- Pecafan Fan

typical liberal response.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 18 @ 11:09 AM ET
typical liberal response.
- Feeling Glucky?

Hummmmm, I was wondering if there is as cozy of a relationship between Hollywood liberals, and the left wing progressive politicians in DC, as many on the right seem to believe. Could it be that Hollywood spins out scripts that "prepare" Americans for future real life scenarios???

From West Wing to the real thing

Scriptwriters modelled TV's ethnic minority candidate on young Barack Obama


Jonathan Freedland
The Guardian, Thursday 21 February 2008


Devotees of the West Wing have been talking about it for weeks: the uncanny similarity between the fictional presidential contest that dominated the final seasons of the acclaimed TV show and the real-life drama of this year's election.

Both the real and imagined campaigns have centred on a young, charismatic candidate from an ethnic minority, daring to take on an establishment workhorse with a promise to transcend race and heal America's partisan divide.

But there's a twist.

For what those West Wing fans stunned by the similarity between the fictitious Matthew Santos and the real-life Barack Obama have not known is that the resemblance is no coincidence. When the West Wing scriptwriters first devised their fictitious presidential candidate in the late summer of 2004, they modelled him in part on a young Illinois politician - not yet even a US senator - by the name of Barack Obama.

"I drew inspiration from him in drawing this character," West Wing writer and producer Eli Attie told the Guardian. "When I had to write, Obama was just appearing on the national scene. He had done a great speech at the convention [which nominated John Kerry] and people were beginning to talk about him."

Attie, who served as chief speechwriter to Al Gore during the ill-fated 2000 campaign and who wrote many of the key Santos episodes of the West Wing, put in a call to Obama aide David Axelrod.

"I said, 'Tell me about this guy Barack Obama.'"


With the Latino actor Jimmy Smits already cast for the show, Attie was especially keen to know how rising star Obama approached the question of his race. Axelrod's answers helped inform Santos's approach to his own Hispanic identity.

"Some of Santos's insistence on not being defined by his race, his pride in it even as he rises above it, came from that," Attie said.

The scriptwriter also borrowed from Obama's life the notion of a superstar candidate. "After that convention speech, Obama's life changed. He was mobbed wherever he went. He was more than a candidate seeking votes: people were seeking him. Some of Santos's celebrity aura came from that."

The result is a bizarre case of art imitating life - only for life to imitate art back again.

In the TV show, Santos begins as the rank outsider up against a national figure famous for standing at the side of a popular Democratic president. There are doubts about Santos's inexperience, having served just a few years in Congress, and about his ability to persuade voters to back an ethnic minority candidate - even as his own ethnic group harbour suspicions that he might not identify with them sufficiently.

But the soaring power of his rhetoric, his declaration that the old divisions belong in the past and his sheer magnetism, ensure that he comes from behind in a fiercely close primary campaign and draws level with his once all-commanding opponent. Every aspect of that storyline has come true for Barack Obama. Axelrod, now chief strategist for the Obama campaign, recently joked in an email to Attie: "We're living your scripts!"

What's more, the West Wing had the Republicans choose between a Christian preacher - a pre-echo of Mike Huckabee - and an older, maverick senator from the American west whose liberal positions on some issues had earned the distrust of the party's conservative base: a dead ringer for John McCain.

In the West Wing, the McCain figure emerges comfortably as the party's choice. Apparently the character was not based on the current Republican frontrunner, but was simply a function of the casting of Alan Alda.

"It was always an inside joke on the West Wing that the show had a prophetic quality," recalls Attie, now a writer and producer of House, starring Hugh Laurie.

Various political scenarios sketched out on the programme would often materialise within weeks of airing. But the 2008 campaign, Attie concedes, is in an entirely different league.

There are small differences of course. Santos had a white wife - stressing, says Attie, Santos's standing as a "post-racial figure" - while Michelle Obama is African-American. Ms Obama is the more outspoken, but with two young children each, both are equally photogenic.

Obama aides will be hoping that the West Wing's prophetic streak holds: Santos eventually emerged as the Democratic nominee from a brokered convention - and went on to win the presidency.


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Barack Obama v Matt Santos

Barack Obama

Young, handsome and charismatic member of Congress, attempts to become America's first non-white president.

Began political career as a community organiser in a big city (Chicago) before winning first election at local level. Married, with two young children.

Faced stiff opposition in Democratic primary against occupant of the White House during previous Democratic administration (first lady Hillary Clinton)

Rivals attack him as inexperienced after just four years in Congress
, but triumphs through grassroots support, inspiring speeches and message of change.

Republican opponent is veteran moderate senator from a western state, unpopular with conservative base (John McCain of Arizona).

Matt Santos

Young, handsome and charismatic member of Congress, attempts to become America's first non-white president.

Began political career as a community organiser in a big city (Houston) before winning first election at local level. Married, with two young children.

Faced stiff opposition in Democratic primary against occupant of the White House during previous Democratic administration (vice president Bob Russell).

Rivals attack him as inexperienced after just six years in Congress
, but triumphs through grassroots support, inspiring speeches and message of change.

Republican opponent was veteran moderate senator from a western state, unpopular with conservative base (Arnie Vinick of California).

sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Jan 18 @ 11:45 AM ET
Who gives a shit? Just shut up.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jan 18 @ 12:07 PM ET
Who gives a shit? Just shut up.
- sanfordnson

Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 18 @ 12:23 PM ET
Who gives a shit? Just shut up.
- sanfordnson

i wish people besides kicksave responded to my Arnold post
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jan 18 @ 12:26 PM ET
i wish people besides kicksave responded to my Arnold post
- Crimsoninja

that had to be confusing for them. probs still trying to figure it out.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 18 @ 12:28 PM ET
i wish people besides kicksave responded to my Arnold post
- Crimsoninja

I responded to a response.
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 18 @ 12:33 PM ET
The most important thing is that we need to be a party that is inclusive and tolerant. We can be those things and be the party we always have been. We need to think about the environment - Teddy Roosevelt was a great environmentalist and people forget Reagan was the one who dealt with the ozone layer with the Montreal protocol. We also need to talk about healthcare honestly - Nixon almost passed universal healthcare. We need to have an talk about immigration and realize you can't just deport people. We need a comprehensive answer. We also need to stay out of people's bedrooms. The party that is for small government shouldn't be over-reaching into people's private lives.

Mainly, we need to be a party where people know what we are for, not just what we are against.

- Arnold Schwarzenegger


- Crimsoninja

The problem with this is that with this level of social consciousness, they would lose the main differentiating factor between them and the democrats, and lose the votes of the insanely right people.

Republicans have been very much about pandering to the far right and strongly christian(who don't know what christianity is about). Actually engaging in thought leadership and social progress is way out of their wheelhouse.
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 12:58 PM ET
The most important thing is that we need to be a party that is inclusive and tolerant. We can be those things and be the party we always have been. We need to think about the environment - Teddy Roosevelt was a great environmentalist and people forget Reagan was the one who dealt with the ozone layer with the Montreal protocol. We also need to talk about healthcare honestly - Nixon almost passed universal healthcare. We need to have an talk about immigration and realize you can't just deport people. We need a comprehensive answer. We also need to stay out of people's bedrooms. The party that is for small government shouldn't be over-reaching into people's private lives.

Mainly, we need to be a party where people know what we are for, not just what we are against.

- Arnold Schwarzenegger


- Crimsoninja


lolz
the_cause2000
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Not quite my tempo
Joined: 02.26.2007

Jan 18 @ 12:58 PM ET
i wish people besides kicksave responded to my Arnold post
- Crimsoninja

you're just trying to get hits
watsonnostaw
Atlanta Thrashers
Location: Dude has all the personality of a lump of concrete. Just a complete lizard.
Joined: 06.26.2006

Jan 18 @ 1:22 PM ET


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- Doppleganger


amazing that fox news only gets 1 percent of the population of the united states watching their drivel

and why is amish mafia semi-reality based fiction a news program?
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 18 @ 1:28 PM ET
amazing that fox news only gets 1 percent of the population of the united states watching their drivel

and why is amish mafia semi-reality based fiction a news program?

- watsonnostaw

Well, if the O'Reilly Factor counts, why wouldn't Amish Mafia?
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 18 @ 1:31 PM ET
amazing that fox news only gets 1 percent of the population of the united states watching their drivel

and why is amish mafia semi-reality based fiction a news program?

- watsonnostaw

Flyskippy
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Ignoreland, GA
Joined: 11.04.2005

Jan 18 @ 7:11 PM ET
Never know when tovarishch Obama will open the gates for his CCCP buddies.
- Feeling Glucky?

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