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Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 9:07 AM ET

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It's the truth. Why most people automatically call someone who's biracial (1/2 Black- 1/2 White) Black has always perplexed me. I have many biracial friends and I don't categorize them as either race, don't see then need to do so.
Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 9:13 AM ET
Democrats look for up to $1 trillion in new tax revenues this year

Democrats say they want to raise as much as $1 trillion in new revenues through tax reform later this year to balance Republican demands to slash mandatory spending.

Democratic leaders have had little time to craft a new position for their party since passing a tax deal Tuesday that will raise $620 billion in revenue over the next ten years.

The emerging consensus, however, is that the next installment of deficit reduction should reach $2 trillion and about half of it should come from higher taxes.

This sets up tax reform as one of the biggest fights of the 113th Congress, which began on Thursday.

Republicans say tax reform should be revenue neutral. Additional revenues collected by eliminating or curbing tax breaks and deductions should be used to lower rates.

Senate Republican Leader Mitch McConnell (R-Ky.) has dismissed the possibility of negotiating additional tax increases.

“I'm in favor of doing tax reform but I think tax reform ought to be revenue neutral as it was back during the Reagan years. We've resolved this issue, look we don't have this problem because we tax too little. We have it because we spend way, way too much,” McConnell said Sunday on NBC’s “Meet the Press.”

Liberal and centrist Democrats say revenues collected through tax reform should go to deficit reduction.

“We’ve done about $2 trillion. I thought $4 trillion is the goal we should reach. I think we’re about half way there. We need another $2 trillion,” said Sen. Ben Cardin (D-Md.), a member of the Senate Finance Committee, which has jurisdiction over tax reform.

He said the $917 billion cut under the Budget Control Act passed in the summer of 2011 combined with $620 billion in revenues from Tuesday’s tax deal and interest savings adds up to about $2 trillion.

Cardin said the ratio of spending cuts to higher tax revenues “should be about even” in the next deficit-reduction deal passed by Congress.

Sen. Jon Tester, a centrist Democrat from Montana who won a close re-election in November, set out similar parameters.

He said the broad goal for deficit reduction should be in the $4 trillion to $5 trillion range and “we should strive for [a] one for one” ratio of spending cuts to additional tax revenues.

The White House also supports a 1:1 ratio of spending cuts to tax increases as Congress seeks to finish the fiscal work left unresolved by the recently completed 112th Congress.

White House officials point to last week’s fiscal-cliff agreement to “buy down” the sequester for two months. The deal delayed the implementation of automatic across-the-board spending cuts to domestic and defense programs and paid for it with $12 billion in revenues and $12 billion in spending cuts — evenly divided between defense and non-defense spending.

Administration officials view that as a template for future deficit-reduction agreements.

But Democrats in Congress are not yet unified on the issue. Sen. Tim Kaine, a Democrat who won his first term in November’s election, said the spending cut-to-tax increase ratio should be higher.

“Obviously that second half of the fiscal cliff is the tough spending decisions,” he said. “During the course of the campaign I often talked about 2-1 as a total. That would count all the spending reductions that have already been agreed to.”

“I think if you’re looking at a 70-30 ratio, somewhere in between 2 to 1 and 3 to 1 , I think that’s a reasonable position,” said newly-elected Sen. Chris Murphy (D) of Connecticut, who noted he is from a “fiscally responsible” state.

Like Kaine, Murphy said, “you could factor in the cuts already made.”

Congress agreed to cut spending by $917 billion in 2011 and to raise $620 billion in additional tax revenues last week, settling on a ratio of roughly 3 to 2 so far.

Sen. Charles Schumer (D-N.Y.) said Friday the ratio of spending cuts to tax revenues to date has been tilted more heavily toward spending. Counting the 2011 Budget Control Act and the year-end tax deal, he argues the split is closer to $1.1 trillion in spending cuts and $600 billion in revenues — but he appears to be counting interest savings from spending cuts and not from tax increases.

The biggest question for Democrats is how much revenue is realistically available through tax reform.

Former Sen. Kent Conrad (D-N.D.), a longtime chairman of the Senate Budget Committee, argues the federal government loses $1.2 trillion a year because of various tax breaks, a large pool for lawmakers to draw from to reduce the deficit.

“Through the tax code, we spend more there than we spend through all the appropriated accounts,” he said in his Senate farewell speech.

Conrad displayed a chart on the Senate floor Wednesday showing that people in the top 1 percent of income earners collect over $250,000 in after-tax income from tax expenditures. These expenditures are defined as revenue losses due to special exclusions, exemptions or deductions from gross income.

But policy analysts say the amount Congress can raise by eliminating tax expenditures will be constrained by political realities.

President Obama’s proposal to limit the value of itemized deductions to 28 percent evoked a backlash from the real estate industry and charitable groups. The mortgage interest and charitable tax deductions are two major drains on federal revenue.

Potential future revenue from limiting exemptions and deductions for wealthy taxpayers is also limited by the personal exemption phase-out and Pease — a cap on itemized deductions — provisions of the New Year’s Day tax deal. They account for $152 billion of the projected revenues from the deal.

Jim Kessler, senior vice president for policy at Third Way, a centrist Democratic think tank, thinks the most Democrats can get from tax reform is about $300 billion to $400 billion. He said negotiators can find an additional $100 billion in revenue by switching the chained-CPI formula for calculating cost-of-living increases for Social Security and other federal programs.

“I think you get $400 or $500 billion in new revenue because stuff [is] taken off the table,” he said.

Read more: http://thehill.com/homene...s-this-year#ixzz2HIbNNe3D

Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 9:18 AM ET




This is a must read for all Americans.

http://www.usnews.com/opi...valanche-of-unfunded-debt





Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 9:30 AM ET
So, linking the 2012 attacks to the 2001 attacks, and addressing terrorism as a whole doesn't do enough to call them a terrorist attack?

talk about a stretch

Not only is it a massive stretch, it's a sad, sad attempt to politicize a tragedy... .

- Feeling Glucky?



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Jan 7 @ 9:31 AM ET
It's the truth. Why most people automatically call someone who's biracial (1/2 Black- 1/2 White) Black has always perplexed me. I have many biracial friends and I don't categorize them as either race, don't see then need to do so.
- Doppleganger


I find it perplexing why people need to make it a point to let others know that he's not all the way black, as if it matters.
Feeling Glucky?
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Jan 7 @ 9:32 AM ET

- Doppleganger

Well, that cartoon's convinced me. I now see the error of my ways!
Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 9:37 AM ET
I find it perplexing why people need to make it a point to let others know that he's not all the way black, as if it matters.
- Feeling Glucky?



As the average person what race he is, and most will automatically say Black.

I agree that it does not matter, we can agree on that.
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Jan 7 @ 9:56 AM ET
As the average person what race he is, and most will automatically say Black.

I agree that it does not matter, we can agree on that.

- Doppleganger

He is the first person of African decent to be president of the US. That's an amazing milestone for a country that some would say still discriminates against those of African. "Black" is used to refer to somebody of African decent.

So, the fact that he is black is of consequence. It marks an important stepping stone. The fact that his mother was white doesn't change that.
Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 12:37 PM ET
He is the first person of African decent to be president of the US. That's an amazing milestone for a country that some would say still discriminates against those of African. "Black" is used to refer to somebody of African decent.

So, the fact that he is black is of consequence. It marks an important stepping stone. The fact that his mother was white doesn't change that.

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How do you react to those who throw the "it's becasue he's black" line at people who disagree with his policies.
Feeling Glucky?
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Jan 7 @ 12:44 PM ET
How do you react to those who throw the "it's becasue he's black" line at people who disagree with his policies.
- Doppleganger

I think it depends on the person who's disagreeing.


If it's a member of the KKK, then it's a fairly safe assumption.

How often do you hear that argument, actually? The more common one is "it's because he's liberal, and the republicans want any liberal leadership to fail"... and that one is firmly grounded in truth.
Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 12:52 PM ET
I think it depends on the person who's disagreeing.


If it's a member of the KKK, then it's a fairly safe assumption.

How often do you hear that argument, actually? The more common one is "it's because he's liberal, and the republicans want any liberal leadership to fail"... and that one is firmly grounded in truth.

- Feeling Glucky?

There have been other US Presidents with mixed blood in their ancestry.

Thomas Jefferson was described by a political opponents as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father."

Warren G. Harding had black ancestors, so based on the definition of race during his Presidency, he could have been considered a black man.

A quick search on the web would show that Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Calvin Coolidge and Dwight D. Eisenhower all had some mixed blood in their family history.
Crimsoninja
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Jan 7 @ 12:54 PM ET
There have been other US Presidents with mixed blood in their ancestry.

Thomas Jefferson was described by a political opponents as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father."

Warren G. Harding had black ancestors, so based on the definition of race during his Presidency, he could have been considered a black man.

A quick search on the web would show that Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Calvin Coolidge and Dwight D. Eisenhower all had some mixed blood in their family history.

- Doppleganger

whats your point?
Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 1:01 PM ET
whats your point?
- Crimsoninja
go back a page, read the posts, get up to speed.
Feeling Glucky?
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Jan 7 @ 1:02 PM ET
whats your point?
- Crimsoninja


That if the opposition tries to make something up to discredit someone, that can be used to discredit the achievement of someone 90 years later. DUHHHH
Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 1:07 PM ET
That if the opposition tries to make something up to discredit someone, that can be used to discredit the achievement of someone 90 years later. DUHHHH
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Feeling Glucky?
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Jan 7 @ 1:13 PM ET

- Doppleganger

Crimsoninja
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Jan 7 @ 1:16 PM ET
go back a page, read the posts, get up to speed.
- Doppleganger

i did read the posts, they seem convoluted. please restate your point directly. thanks


edit: if its you actually do not consider obama to be the first black president, then nevermind.
kicksave856
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Jan 7 @ 1:46 PM ET
go back a page, read the posts, get up to speed.
- Doppleganger

Feeling Glucky?
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Jan 7 @ 2:17 PM ET

- kicksave856

BingoLady
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Jan 7 @ 2:28 PM ET
There have been other US Presidents with mixed blood in their ancestry.

Thomas Jefferson was described by a political opponents as the "son of a half-breed Indian squaw and a Virginia mulatto father."

Warren G. Harding had black ancestors, so based on the definition of race during his Presidency, he could have been considered a black man.

A quick search on the web would show that Andrew Jackson, Abraham Lincoln, Calvin Coolidge and Dwight D. Eisenhower all had some mixed blood in their family history.

- Doppleganger

Please describe your ancestry in detail.
Feeling Glucky?
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Jan 7 @ 2:38 PM ET
Please describe your ancestry in detail.
- BingoLady

Rumour has it he's a much closer descendant of the apes than anyone else on the internet.


And based on his logic, rumour=truth. So, there you have it. Dopps is the missing link.
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Jan 7 @ 2:39 PM ET
Dopps, what are your views on Evolultion, Intelligent Design, Creation, and Young Earth creation?
BingoLady
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Jan 7 @ 2:41 PM ET
Rumour has it he's a much closer descendant of the apes than anyone else on the internet.


And based on his logic, rumour=truth. So, there you have it. Dopps is the missing link.

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Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 3:18 PM ET
i did read the posts, they seem convoluted. please restate your point directly. thanks


edit: if its you actually do not consider obama to be the first black president, then nevermind.

- Crimsoninja



What is " Black " ? And what does it matter?
Doppleganger
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Jan 7 @ 3:19 PM ET
Dopps, what are your views on Evolultion, Intelligent Design, Creation, and Young Earth creation?
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I kinda go along with the one that has the most evidence.
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