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kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jan 2 @ 1:11 PM ET
Started feeling this today! Thanks Obama. What he says and what he does are two different things. How would any of his followers know considering most of them don't collect a check and have no idea what impact this has on people that actually do pay taxes.?
- Cptmjl

saying stupid poop is why people can't take you seriously. we've been over this before.
Crimsoninja
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Dude, I am so sorry about whatever made you like this. Take it easy.
Joined: 07.06.2007

Jan 2 @ 1:19 PM ET
saying stupid poop is why people can't take you seriously. we've been over this before.
- kicksave856

love when he said hipsters and rap artists were the sole reason obama won again
Feeling Glucky?
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tanktown, ON
Joined: 10.08.2008

Jan 2 @ 2:08 PM ET
If you cant back up your opinion with facts rather than insults, you really shouldn't get into a debate. If your points held any weight you shouldn't have to resort to insults.
- Doppleganger

There is no debate. Nor is a statement of fact an insult.

edit:
I even have a neutral 3rd party source that confirms my post.

http://www.livescience.co...-conservatism-racism.html

There's no gentle way to put it: People who give in to racism and prejudice may simply be dumb, according to a new study that is bound to stir public controversy.

The research finds that children with low intelligence are more likely to hold prejudiced attitudes as adults. These findings point to a vicious cycle, according to lead researcher Gordon Hodson, a psychologist at Brock University in Ontario. Low-intelligence adults tend to gravitate toward socially conservative ideologies, the study found. Those ideologies, in turn, stress hierarchy and resistance to change, attitudes that can contribute to prejudice, Hodson wrote in an email to LiveScience.

"Prejudice is extremely complex and multifaceted, making it critical that any factors contributing to bias are uncovered and understood," he said.

Controversy ahead

The findings combine three hot-button topics.

"They've pulled off the trifecta of controversial topics," said Brian Nosek, a social and cognitive psychologist at the University of Virginia who was not involved in the study. "When one selects intelligence, political ideology and racism and looks at any of the relationships between those three variables, it's bound to upset somebody."

Polling data and social and political science research do show that prejudice is more common in those who hold right-wing ideals that those of other political persuasions
, Nosek told LiveScience. [7 Thoughts That Are Bad For You]

"The unique contribution here is trying to make some progress on the most challenging aspect of this," Nosek said, referring to the new study. "It's not that a relationship like that exists, but why it exists."

Brains and bias

Earlier studies have found links between low levels of education and higher levels of prejudice, Hodson said, so studying intelligence seemed a logical next step.
The researchers turned to two studies of citizens in the United Kingdom, one that has followed babies since their births in March 1958, and another that did the same for babies born in April 1970. The children in the studies had their intelligence assessed at age 10 or 11; as adults ages 30 or 33, their levels of social conservatism and racism were measured. [Life's Extremes: Democrat vs. Republican]

In the first study, verbal and nonverbal intelligence was measured using tests that asked people to find similarities and differences between words, shapes and symbols. The second study measured cognitive abilities in four ways, including number recall, shape-drawing tasks, defining words and identifying patterns and similarities among words. Average IQ is set at 100.

Social conservatives were defined as people who agreed with a laundry list of statements such as "Family life suffers if mum is working full-time," and "Schools should teach children to obey authority." Attitudes toward other races were captured by measuring agreement with statements such as "I wouldn't mind working with people from other races." (These questions measured overt prejudiced attitudes, but most people, no matter how egalitarian, do hold unconscious racial biases; Hodson's work can't speak to this "underground" racism.)

As suspected, low intelligence in childhood corresponded with racism in adulthood. But the factor that explained the relationship between these two variables was political: When researchers included social conservatism in the analysis, those ideologies accounted for much of the link between brains and bias.


People with lower cognitive abilities also had less contact with people of other races.

"This finding is consistent with recent research demonstrating that intergroup contact is mentally challenging and cognitively draining, and consistent with findings that contact reduces prejudice," said Hodson, who along with his colleagues published these results online Jan. 5 in the journal Psychological Science.

A study of averages

Hodson was quick to note that the despite the link found between low intelligence and social conservatism, the researchers aren't implying that all liberals are brilliant and all conservatives stupid. The research is a study of averages over large groups, he said.

"There are multiple examples of very bright conservatives and not-so-bright liberals, and many examples of very principled conservatives and very intolerant liberals," Hodson said.

Nosek gave another example to illustrate the dangers of taking the findings too literally.

"We can say definitively men are taller than women on average," he said. "But you can't say if you take a random man and you take a random woman that the man is going to be taller. There's plenty of overlap."

Nonetheless, there is reason to believe that strict right-wing ideology might appeal to those who have trouble grasping the complexity of the world.

"Socially conservative ideologies tend to offer structure and order," Hodson said, explaining why these beliefs might draw those with low intelligence. "Unfortunately, many of these features can also contribute to prejudice."

In another study, this one in the United States, Hodson and Busseri compared 254 people with the same amount of education but different levels of ability in abstract reasoning. They found that what applies to racism may also apply to homophobia. People who were poorer at abstract reasoning were more likely to exhibit prejudice against gays. As in the U.K. citizens, a lack of contact with gays and more acceptance of right-wing authoritarianism explained the link. [5 Myths About Gay People Debunked]

Simple viewpoints

Hodson and Busseri's explanation of their findings is reasonable, Nosek said, but it is correlational. That means the researchers didn't conclusively prove that the low intelligence caused the later prejudice. To do that, you'd have to somehow randomly assign otherwise identical people to be smart or dumb, liberal or conservative. Those sorts of studies obviously aren't possible.

The researchers controlled for factors such as education and socioeconomic status, making their case stronger, Nosek said. But there are other possible explanations that fit the data. For example, Nosek said, a study of left-wing liberals with stereotypically naïve views like "every kid is a genius in his or her own way," might find that people who hold these attitudes are also less bright. In other words, it might not be a particular ideology that is linked to stupidity, but extremist views in general.

"My speculation is that it's not as simple as their model presents it," Nosek said. "I think that lower cognitive capacity can lead to multiple simple ways to represent the world, and one of those can be embodied in a right-wing ideology where 'People I don't know are threats' and 'The world is a dangerous place'. ... Another simple way would be to just assume everybody is wonderful."

Prejudice is of particular interest because understanding the roots of racism and bias could help eliminate them, Hodson said. For example, he said, many anti-prejudice programs encourage participants to see things from another group's point of view. That mental exercise may be too taxing for people of low IQ.

"There may be cognitive limits in the ability to take the perspective of others, particularly foreigners," Hodson said. "Much of the present research literature suggests that our prejudices are primarily emotional in origin rather than cognitive. These two pieces of information suggest that it might be particularly fruitful for researchers to consider strategies to change feelings toward outgroups," rather than thoughts.


I even bolded the key points for you, since reading the whole thing could be challenging.

And I put it in quote tags, so that people wouldn't have to re-read it every time somebody quoted it. It's a complex extra step, but maybe you could consider trying it.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:26 PM ET
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 2 @ 3:31 PM ET
There is no debate. Nor is a statement of fact an insult.

edit:
I even have a neutral 3rd party source that confirms my post.

http://www.livescience.co...-conservatism-racism.html



I even bolded the key points for you, since reading the whole thing could be challenging.

And I put it in quote tags, so that people wouldn't have to re-read it every time somebody quoted it. It's a complex extra step, but maybe you could consider trying it.

- Feeling Glucky?



That’s some pretty groundbreaking work. Finally, a definitive link between ultra-conservative ideologies, and high levels of stupidity.

This explains George W Bush perfectly.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:33 PM ET
saying stupid poop is why people can't take you seriously. we've been over this before.
- kicksave856

http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 2 @ 3:35 PM ET
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
- Doppleganger


Are you American?
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:37 PM ET
Leading Psychiatrist Says Liberalism is a Psychological Disorder





Liberals clinically mad, concludes top psychiatrist
Eminent doctor makes case leftist ideology is a mental disorder
WND

WASHINGTON – Just when liberals thought it was safe to start identifying themselves as such, an acclaimed, veteran psychiatrist is making the case that the ideology motivating them is actually a mental disorder.

“Based on strikingly irrational beliefs and emotions, modern liberals relentlessly undermine the most important principles on which our freedoms were founded,” says Dr. Lyle Rossiter, author of the new book, “The Liberal Mind: The Psychological Causes of Political Madness.” “Like spoiled, angry children, they rebel against the normal responsibilities of adulthood and demand that a parental government meet their needs from cradle to grave.”

While political activists on the other side of the spectrum have made similar observations, Rossiter boasts professional credentials and a life virtually free of activism and links to “the vast right-wing conspiracy.”

For more than 35 years he has diagnosed and treated more than 1,500 patients as a board-certified clinical psychiatrist and examined more than 2,700 civil and criminal cases as a board-certified forensic psychiatrist. He received his medical and psychiatric training at the University of Chicago.

Rossiter says the kind of liberalism being displayed by both Barack Obama and his Democratic primary opponent Hillary Clinton can only be understood as a psychological disorder.

“A social scientist who understands human nature will not dismiss the vital roles of free choice, voluntary cooperation and moral integrity – as liberals do,” he says. “A political leader who understands human nature will not ignore individual differences in talent, drive, personal appeal and work ethic, and then try to impose economic and social equality on the population – as liberals do. And a legislator who understands human nature will not create an environment of rules which over-regulates and over-taxes the nation’s citizens, corrupts their character and reduces them to wards of the state – as liberals do.”

Dr. Rossiter says the liberal agenda preys on weakness and feelings of inferiority in the population by:

* creating and reinforcing perceptions of victimization;
* satisfying infantile claims to entitlement, indulgence and compensation;
* augmenting primitive feelings of envy;
* rejecting the sovereignty of the individual, subordinating him to the will of the government.

“The roots of liberalism – and its associated madness – can be clearly identified by understanding how children develop from infancy to adulthood and how distorted development produces the irrational beliefs of the liberal mind,” he says. “When the modern liberal mind whines about imaginary victims, rages against imaginary villains and seeks above all else to run the lives of persons competent to run their own lives, the neurosis of the liberal mind becomes painfully obvious.”


http://newsbusters.org/bl...iberalism-mental-disorder
Presidential candidate, Rick Santorum, was the victim of a ‘glitter bombing’ Saturday night, as he delivered remarks following a third place finish in the South Carolina primary. Glitter bombing is a supposed act of protest in which opponents are showered with glitter by leftists who support same-sex marriage policies. What exactly would cause grown men and women to perform an act that is seemingly drawn from the mind of a child?

In 2005, Michael Savage famously wrote a book titled, Liberalism is a Mental Disorder, the subject of which is self-explanatory. And more recently, Dr. Lyle Rossiter, a board-certified clinical psychologist, wrote a book in which he diagnosed the ideology of the left as a tangible mental illness. Perhaps though, liberalism is not so much a novel mental disorder, but a more cleverly disguised form of illness already widely studied since the late ‘60s – narcissistic personality disorder (NPD).

The Mayo Clinic defines NPD as “a mental disorder in which people have an inflated sense of their own importance and a deep need for admiration.” This seems in tune with the fact that liberals, along with their degenerate offspring, the Occupy Wall Street movement, believe their policies and platforms fall in the majority - or the 99% if you will - despite being outnumbered by conservatives at a 2-1 clip.

There are other symptoms that define NPD and the left alike…

Expecting constant praise and admiration

This is a staple of the Occupy movement and their constant ‘look at me’ media whoring. The need to feed their pride consumes them, fueling a self-importance that must continue to grow through perpetual media coverage.

Being jealous of others

The very premise on which the Occupy movement and the liberal platform of wealth redistribution are based is jealousy. They want what others have, and they want it without cost to themselves, either monetarily or based on time. They are envious of those with wealth, health insurance, homes, etc. It is a common attribute upon which all liberal protesters rally around.

Expecting others to go along with your ideas and plans

Is there anything that personified this more than the Obamacare fight? The measure was opposed by likely voters by a wide margin, 54-41 percent. Yet it was still rammed down the collective throats of the American people. Why? Because liberals honestly thought that once the plebeians had a chance to see their ideas, they would go along with it. Proof of this materialized when Nancy Pelosi uttered these famous words: “… We have to pass the bill so that you can find out what is in it.”

Setting unrealistic goals

Those crazy kids over at the OWS website, at one point gave us a list of humorous demands that included these deep-seated liberal fantasies.

Guaranteed living wage income regardless of employment
Free college education
Open borders migration
Immediate across the board debt forgiveness for all

The liberal politician’s equivalent of this list would be:

Extending unemployment benefits ad nauseam
Student loan forgiveness
Illegal immigration amnesty (DREAM Act)
Postponement of foreclosures

All currently under consideration by the Obama administration.

A sense of entitlement

The liberal movement amounts to nothing more than making excuses to legitimize a platform of laziness and entitlements. We see this in the Occupy protests. Their solution to counter corporate greed is to steal from those that have worked hard to attain their level of wealth, and give to those who refuse to reach such a work ethic. Money for nothing, or entitlement, seems to be a birthright for the left.

Trouble keeping healthy relationships

Too easy. Does this sound like a group of individuals with relationship issues?

A 24-year-old convicted sex offender having sex with a 14-year-old at Occupy Dallas.
Rapes and instances of groping in New York’s Zuccotti Park.
One rape victim was alleged to have been a deaf man.
A female protester raped at Occupy Philadelphia.
Women Only sleeping quarters had to be erected at the New York encampment.
A permit was yanked in Madison, Wisconsin, due to public masturbation.
A Los Angeles protester arrested for masturbating in front of children.

Summary

All of these symptoms seem to define an individual who is unable to express their frustration in a rational manner - hence the glitter bombing. The Mayo Clinic diagnosis seems to speak to the glitter-loving liberals directly:

“In order to make yourself feel better, you may react with rage or contempt and efforts to belittle the other person to make yourself appear better.”

Problem being; only you believe these actions make you look better.

In the end, Savage was right. Liberalism is a mental disorder. Just not a new one.


Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:37 PM ET
Are you American?
- Pecafan Fan



Why are you interested?
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
Location: BiggButtz
Joined: 03.11.2010

Jan 2 @ 3:38 PM ET
There is no debate. Nor is a statement of fact an insult.

edit:
I even have a neutral 3rd party source that confirms my post.

http://www.livescience.co...-conservatism-racism.html



I even bolded the key points for you, since reading the whole thing could be challenging.

And I put it in quote tags, so that people wouldn't have to re-read it every time somebody quoted it. It's a complex extra step, but maybe you could consider trying it.

- Feeling Glucky?

you ever wonder if this sort of 'research' turns off a lot of undecided voters because it comes off arrogant and condescending? I realize you're poking Dopps but still. Do you even thrift bro?

Obama is the antichrist. An article from infowars confirmed this. He also apparently worships a an ancient Caananite deity called Moleck, that demands child sacrifice in exchange for giving him power. Haha you american dummees elected the antichrist. enjoy your concentration camps!
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 2 @ 3:39 PM ET
Why are you interested?
- Doppleganger


I'll take that as a no.
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 2 @ 3:39 PM ET
you ever wonder if this sort of 'research' turns off a lot of undecided voters because it comes off arrogant and condescending? I realize you're poking Dopps but still. Do you even thrift bro?

Obama is the antichrist. An article from infowars confirmed this. He also apparently worships a an ancient Caananite deity called Moleck, that demands child sacrifice in exchange for giving him power. Haha you american dummees elected the antichrist. enjoy your concentration camps!

- sanfordnson

Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:40 PM ET
I'll take that as a no.
- Pecafan Fan


Why, what difference does it make?

Pecafan Fan
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Jan 2 @ 3:41 PM ET
Why, what difference does it make?
- Doppleganger


Just wondering if thin foil hats are as popular in Canada as they are in some parts of the US.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:44 PM ET

Obama Returns to Hawaii at an Added Cost of Over $3 Million


by Keith Koffler on January 2, 2013, 5:58 am

In a move that is rich in irony, President Obama agreed Tuesday night to sign an emergency deficit reduction bill that does almost nothing to rein in spending and then jetted out to Hawaii to resume his vacation at an extra cost of more than $3 million to taxpayers.

The price tag is in addition to more than $4 million that is already being spent on the Obamas’ Hawaii idyll, bringing the total cost of the excursion to well over $7 million.

The added cost was incurred because by the time the Obamas return from Hawaii – whenever that is – the president will have used Air Force One to travel to Honolulu and back twice.

Obama was forced to return from Hawaii just after Christmas to complete negotiations to avoid the Fiscal Cliff, talks resulting in the bill that was passed by Congress last night. Obama resisted significant spending cuts throughout the negotiations, and the final legislation relies almost solely a new taxes to reduce the deficit.

Air Force One is known to cost about $180,000 an hour to fly. Based on an estimated 18 hours roundtrip flying time for the jet between Washington and Honolulu, the travel cost alone of Obama’s decision to return to Hawaii amounts to around $3.24 million. And that doesn’t include the price tag for the massive security operation required to move the president or the cost of the cargo plane that follows Air Force One around.

The Obamas could have saved taxpayers millions by returning from Hawaii together after Christmas and then resuming their vacation at one of the many ritzy resorts that lie outside of Washington. If the beach is a must, even a trip to Florida would have been far less expensive.

Or they could have simply stayed at the White House or Camp David, each a luxurious government-run installation, billing taxpayers a relative pittance.

Obama will get a full day of vacation in today, landing in Hawaii early in the morning.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: i love how not saying dumb things on the internet was never an option.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jan 2 @ 3:44 PM ET
http://www.cbpp.org/cms/index.cfm?fa=view&id=3505
- Doppleganger

good idea.

i read all your links.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:45 PM ET
Just wondering if thin foil hats are as popular in Canada as they are in some parts of the US.
- Pecafan Fan



Do you insult everyone who does not fall in line and march to the Left Wing Progressive dogma that Obama and the Mainstream Media has been preaching???
Crimsoninja
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Jan 2 @ 3:46 PM ET
Do you insult everyone who does not fall in line and march to the Left Wing Progressive dogma that Obama and the Mainstream Media has been preaching???
- Doppleganger

Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:47 PM ET
good idea.

i read all your links.

- kicksave856

http://dailycaller.com/20...al-cliff-ii-for-february/
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 2 @ 3:48 PM ET
Do you insult everyone who does not fall in line and march to the Left Wing Progressive dogma that Obama and the Mainstream Media has been preaching???
- Doppleganger


No.

Only you.
sanfordnson
Edmonton Oilers
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Joined: 03.11.2010

Jan 2 @ 3:49 PM ET
Do you insult everyone who does not fall in line and march to the Left Wing Progressive dogma that Obama and the Mainstream Media has been preaching???
- Doppleganger

He really does discourse on politics and video games way too much.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:55 PM ET
No.

Only you.

- Pecafan Fan



So you insult those with whom you cannot intelligently engage in a debate?
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 2 @ 3:56 PM ET
So you insult those with whom you cannot intelligently engage in a debate?
- Doppleganger


You don't debate with anyone, you just regurgitate links to ridiculous blogs.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Jan 2 @ 3:59 PM ET
You don't debate with anyone, you just regurgitate links to ridiculous blogs.
- Pecafan Fan


You don't debate with anyone, you just insult them, without reading the linked pages/articles
Pecafan Fan
Montreal Canadiens
Location: Pacioretty, c'est mou comme d'la marde - Gilbert Delorme
Joined: 01.20.2009

Jan 2 @ 4:01 PM ET
You don't debate with anyone, you just insult them, without reading the linked pages/articles
- Doppleganger


I never claimed that I was here to debate with you.
I think my first post in this thread is pretty clear about my intentions. I asked you to shut the (frank) up, plain and simple!
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