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watsonnostaw
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Oct 19 @ 10:43 PM ET
Doppleganger
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Oct 20 @ 12:24 AM ET
Well, the fact that he can't come up with more details about his financial plans than killing big-bird is pretty telling.

And the issue behind the "binders" comment is that basically everything about that story is pure BS.

- Feeling Glucky?



And Obama's plan has been laid out for everyone to see?
watsonnostaw
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Oct 20 @ 12:29 AM ET
watsonnostaw
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Oct 20 @ 12:31 AM ET
Doppleganger
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Oct 20 @ 12:32 AM ET
http://finance.townhall.c...a_lied_crowleys_cred_died

President Obama’s lie at the debate--that he made an early call the Benghazi attack was terror-- was petty and ludicrous.

It was petty because, as a semantic dispute, it grasped brief advantage that necessarily had to yield to inevitable fact-checking. It was ludicrous because, as a matter of history, it pretended two weeks of vehement, contradictory spin from the administration never happened.

When Mitt Romney challenged Obama on his failure to admit the Benghazi massacre was terrorism, the president threw down a startling gauntlet: He had indeed called the attack an act of terror the very next morning.

Disbelieving, Romney jumped to pin the president down. Instead, Candy Crowley immoderately declared--by virtue of the authority vested in her by no one--the president was right. He had called it an act of terror.

But it was wrong. Obama lied, Crowley’s credibility died.

Roll the tape: Before jetting to his infamous Las Vegas fundraiser the day after the massacre, President Obama spoke in the Rose Garden. Early in the brief remarks, he said America condemns “this outrageous and shocking attack.”

In the next paragraph, he planted the seed of the coming distraction: “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.” It was a dissonant injection into solemn words offered to memorialize fallen Americans.

Four paragraphs later, the president described the attacks of September 11, 2001. Only then did he observe: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation…” Any connection between the late reference to terror and the Benghazi attack was ambiguous at best.

This was a prepared address about a major international event. It would receive layers of review and exquisite scrutiny from security officials and the president’s political people. If he did not plainly declare the attack a terrorist act, then the omission was deliberate. The text carefully sidestepped that definitive statement even though it would have been more natural and fluid to simply apply the terror label at the outset.

People with reasonable smarts, including network anchors, grasp the difference between mentioning terror and concretely calling a specific event terrorism. Anyone with a modicum of professional skepticism might wonder if someone was cynically keeping options open.

So push came to shove in Long Island. The candidates were crouched to grapple over this very question. But upon the president’s demand--“Transcript! Stat!”--Crowley abandoned her role as moderator and embraced her inner participant. She affirmed Obama’s deception and deflected Romney’s accurate attack.

Painfully, the most powerful man in the world was reduced to begging further credibility from a cable talking head. He petitioned: “Could you say that a little louder?” Now that’s shrinkage: “Please, ma’am, a little more help?”

But semantic parsing is beside the point. What makes the lie ludicrous is the president’s own furious spin. For two weeks his administration adamantly argued, contrary to reason, the assault was a spontaneous angry movie review that spun out of control, not a carefully planned, strategic attack on American interests.

That the attackers used rocket propelled grenades in their “spontaneous” grief did not embarrass the administration. That the attackers shrewdly divided between a main assault force to breach the consulate, and a secondary force to pursue the fleeing staff, did not deter the administration. That the attackers possessed inside information about the “safe” location of the ambassador did not give the administration pause.

The roster of shame includes US ambassador Susan Rice, who pedaled the implausible tale on five Sunday news shows, Press Secretary James Carney, who doggedly held the line at White House briefings, and Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, who, with President Obama appeared in a commercial funded by US tax dollars in Egypt and Libya condemning the internet film.

The president himself perpetrated his deceptive statecraft in such important venues as Letterman, The View, and the United Nations General Assembly.

Team Obama peddled the tale of spontaneous protest because the truth was worse: Obama hasn’t changed the hard fact that America is hated in those lands; that he has done much that enabled the extremists who mean us harm; that he inadequately protected American personnel from known threats. A harmful storyline like that needed to be suppressed at least past November.

But facts that the president knew almost immediately, or even prior, began to trickle out, eroding the ground under his deception: There had been no protest at all in Benghazi. Al Qaeda was active in Libya. England had removed its diplomatic personnel for that reason.

There had been several threats and attacks aimed at the consulate and ambassador. He feared for his life. He requested additional security. The assault was sophisticated, well executed, and probably aimed at seizing intelligence about American activity in the area. State Department and almost certainly White House staffers watched the attack in real time from posted video monitors.

The truth now in plain sight underscores the president’s failures of policy and leadership. Until Benghazi, he could boast of a hopeful Arab Spring, winds of reform in the Middle East, advancing peace, and al Qaeda “on the road to defeat.” Those happy talking points lie in blackened shards.

The Middle East and Muslim world are more dangerously hostile to America now than four years ago. The president’s contrite outreach did not win good will, it provoked contempt. His intervention in Egypt and unlawful aggression in Libya did not aid modernizing, civilizing elements; they empowered extreme, violent factions with destructive aims at America and oppressive designs on their own people.

Al Qaeda is not on the run, it’s spreading like a virus. The president’s repeated spiking of the football over killing bin Laden and heavy use of drone attacks are driving major blowback, a word that all but disappeared from media coverage when George Bush left Washington.

The administration almost got away with floating its Arabian mirage past the election. Then, it clung briefly and grimly to its tale of religious protest, until that, too, was untenable.

For the president, September 11, 2012 was quite a bump in the road, indeed.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.forbes.com/sit...d-and-the-press-complied/



watsonnostaw
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Oct 20 @ 12:44 AM ET

David Stockman’s Questions For Mitt Romney
If the former Reagan budget expert had the chance, here’s what he’d ask the Republican candidate

In Newsweek this week, David Stockman dissected the performance of Bain Capital during the Mitt Romney years. His conclusion: the company was no job creator. Here are some of the stories of those years, with questions for the candidate appended.

THE ZOMBIES
Stockman says Bain’s billions of profits were not rewards for the hard slog of making viable businesses. They were mostly unearned windfalls collected from gambling on markets that were rigged to rise. He calls the companies you left with unsustainable debt “zombies.”

Stockman says the “startling fact” is that four of the ten deals that made big money for Bain ended up in bankruptcy, and for an obvious reason: Bain got its money out at the top of the economic boom of the late 1990s and then these companies hit the wall during the 2000-2002 downturn, weighed down by the massive load of debt Bain had bequeathed them. In fact, nearly $600 million, or one-third of the profits earned by the these companies, had been extracted from the hide of four eventual debt zombies.

One example is American Pad and Paper. Bain Capital invested a mere $5 million in 1992, then loaded it with debt at the purchase and through acquisitions. Four years later, Bain pulled out of the company without making it viable. In fact, it was so in debt that it went bankrupt in 1999. But Bain had made $100 million on the financial dealing.

QUESTION: Wasn’t American Pad and others just an exercise in cash stripping that could not occur in an honest free market where the central bank was not in the tank for Wall Street?

**

DEATH BY DEBT
Bain invested $10 million in 1988 then borrowed $300 million to buy about 300 small Main Street stores. The year before, it had borrowed $300 million to buy a 250-store chain of family-clothing stores. The acquisitions formed a combined operation dubbed Stage Store. When Bain unloaded its shares in the parent company for a profit of $100 million. Stage Stores was so loaded with debt it had to file for bankruptcy.

QUESTION: Bain Capital says the company “grew for years” under your stewardship. But isn’t it true that the growth came from inflated inventory and vastly overstated assets? Wasn’t the growth—as with Stage Stores—actually the result of financial engineering games you played from the very beginning?

**

FLIP FLOP
In September 1996, Bain Capital invested $88 million inequity in a consumer credit company called Experian and sold it to a British conglomerate seven weeks later for $1.7 billion, producing $600 million profit for investors, and a spectacular $165 million windfall for Bain.

QUESTION: How does that kind of quick-flip gambling represent building a business and creating jobs?

**

ITALIAN YELLOW PAGES
In late 1997, Bain invested $17 million for less than 10 percent of the stock of the Italian yellow pages company. About 30 months later, Bain took out a profit of $375 million—or 22 times its investment. This was Bain’s largest profit during your tenure.

QUESTION: How do you explain such gigantic profits from a phone book in so little time, and what does that have to do with your alleged experience as a builder of businesses and creator of jobs?
Doppleganger
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Oct 20 @ 12:44 AM ET
Oh how the Media is firmly inserted up Obama's rear end.




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Wasted taxdollars

Volt no jolt: LG Chem employees idle

Feeling Glucky?
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Joined: 10.08.2008

Oct 20 @ 3:30 AM ET
http://finance.townhall.com/columnists/shawnmitchell/2012/10/20/obama_lied_crowleys_cred_died

President Obama’s lie at the debate--that he made an early call the Benghazi attack was terror-- was petty and ludicrous.

It was petty because, as a semantic dispute, it grasped brief advantage that necessarily had to yield to inevitable fact-checking. It was ludicrous because, as a matter of history, it pretended two weeks of vehement, contradictory spin from the administration never happened.

When Mitt Romney challenged Obama on his failure to admit the Benghazi massacre was terrorism, the president threw down a startling gauntlet: He had indeed called the attack an act of terror the very next morning.

Disbelieving, Romney jumped to pin the president down. Instead, Candy Crowley immoderately declared--by virtue of the authority vested in her by no one--the president was right. He had called it an act of terror.

But it was wrong. Obama lied, Crowley’s credibility died.

Roll the tape: Before jetting to his infamous Las Vegas fundraiser the day after the massacre, President Obama spoke in the Rose Garden. Early in the brief remarks, he said America condemns “this outrageous and shocking attack.”

In the next paragraph, he planted the seed of the coming distraction: “We reject all efforts to denigrate the religious beliefs of others.” It was a dissonant injection into solemn words offered to memorialize fallen Americans.

Four paragraphs later, the president described the attacks of September 11, 2001. Only then did he observe: “No acts of terror will ever shake the resolve of this great nation…” Any connection between the late reference to terror and the Benghazi attack was ambiguous at best.

This was a prepared address about a major international event. It would receive layers of review and exquisite scrutiny from security officials and the president’s political people. If he did not plainly declare the attack a terrorist act, then the omission was deliberate. The text carefully sidestepped that definitive statement even though it would have been more natural and fluid to simply apply the terror label at the outset.

People with reasonable smarts, including network anchors, grasp the difference between mentioning terror and concretely calling a specific event terrorism. Anyone with a modicum of professional skepticism might wonder if someone was cynically keeping options open.

So push came to shove in Long Island. The candidates were crouched to grapple over this very question. But upon the president’s demand--“Transcript! Stat!”--Crowley abandoned her role as moderator and embraced her inner participant. She affirmed Obama’s deception and deflected Romney’s accurate attack.

Painfully, the most powerful man in the world was reduced to begging further credibility from a cable talking head. He petitioned: “Could you say that a little louder?” Now that’s shrinkage: “Please, ma’am, a little more help?”

But semantic parsing is beside the point. What makes the lie ludicrous is the president’s own furious spin. For two weeks his administration adamantly argued, contrary to reason, the assault was a spontaneous angry movie review that spun out of control, not a carefully planned, strategic attack on American interests.

That the attackers used rocket propelled grenades in their “spontaneous” grief did not embarrass the administration. That the attackers shrewdly divided between a main assault force to breach the consulate, and a secondary force to pursue the fleeing staff, did not deter the administration. That the attackers possessed inside information about the “safe” location of the ambassador did not give the administration pause.

The roster of shame includes US ambassador Susan Rice, who pedaled the implausible tale on five Sunday news shows, Press Secretary James Carney, who doggedly held the line at White House briefings, and Secretary of State Hilary Clinton, who, with President Obama appeared in a commercial funded by US tax dollars in Egypt and Libya condemning the internet film.

The president himself perpetrated his deceptive statecraft in such important venues as Letterman, The View, and the United Nations General Assembly.

Team Obama peddled the tale of spontaneous protest because the truth was worse: Obama hasn’t changed the hard fact that America is hated in those lands; that he has done much that enabled the extremists who mean us harm; that he inadequately protected American personnel from known threats. A harmful storyline like that needed to be suppressed at least past November.

But facts that the president knew almost immediately, or even prior, began to trickle out, eroding the ground under his deception: There had been no protest at all in Benghazi. Al Qaeda was active in Libya. England had removed its diplomatic personnel for that reason.

There had been several threats and attacks aimed at the consulate and ambassador. He feared for his life. He requested additional security. The assault was sophisticated, well executed, and probably aimed at seizing intelligence about American activity in the area. State Department and almost certainly White House staffers watched the attack in real time from posted video monitors.

The truth now in plain sight underscores the president’s failures of policy and leadership. Until Benghazi, he could boast of a hopeful Arab Spring, winds of reform in the Middle East, advancing peace, and al Qaeda “on the road to defeat.” Those happy talking points lie in blackened shards.

The Middle East and Muslim world are more dangerously hostile to America now than four years ago. The president’s contrite outreach did not win good will, it provoked contempt. His intervention in Egypt and unlawful aggression in Libya did not aid modernizing, civilizing elements; they empowered extreme, violent factions with destructive aims at America and oppressive designs on their own people.

Al Qaeda is not on the run, it’s spreading like a virus. The president’s repeated spiking of the football over killing bin Laden and heavy use of drone attacks are driving major blowback, a word that all but disappeared from media coverage when George Bush left Washington.

The administration almost got away with floating its Arabian mirage past the election. Then, it clung briefly and grimly to its tale of religious protest, until that, too, was untenable.

For the president, September 11, 2012 was quite a bump in the road, indeed.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------
http://www.forbes.com/sit...d-and-the-press-complied/

- Doppleganger


So, linking the 2012 attacks to the 2001 attacks, and addressing terrorism as a whole doesn't do enough to call them a terrorist attack?

talk about a stretch

Not only is it a massive stretch, it's a sad, sad attempt to politicize a tragedy... Romney's grasping at straws to try and distract voters from the fact that he has no plan, other than to turn back civil rights for women and gays.
Feeling Glucky?
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Oct 20 @ 3:34 AM ET
And Obama's plan has been laid out for everyone to see?
- Doppleganger

http://www.washingtonpost...2/13/gIQAsDH4AR_blog.html


Seems a bit more in-depth than "no more abortions and no more big bird".
Crimsoninja
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Oct 20 @ 5:38 AM ET
Oh how the Media is firmly inserted up Obama's rear end.




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- Doppleganger


who the hell is this guy? like a tough guy left wing glen beck lol
Doppleganger
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Oct 20 @ 9:56 AM ET
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/federal-eye/post/federal-budget-2013-how-obamas-budget-plan-affects-each-agency/2012/02/13/gIQAsDH4AR_blog.html


Seems a bit more in-depth than "no more abortions and no more big bird".

- Feeling Glucky?


Here is Obama's 2012election strategy, he outlined in perfectly four years ago.

watsonnostaw
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Oct 20 @ 11:58 AM ET
who the hell is this guy? like a tough guy left wing glen beck lol
- Crimsoninja

kelsey grammer
Feeling Glucky?
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Oct 20 @ 1:44 PM ET
who the hell is this guy? like a tough guy left wing glen beck lol
- Crimsoninja

They should rent a barn
Feeling Glucky?
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Oct 20 @ 1:45 PM ET
Here is Obama's 2012election strategy, he outlined in perfectly four years ago.


- Doppleganger

You ask a question you think will prove a point, it doesn't, so you change the topic.


No wonder you like Mitt so much
Crimsoninja
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Oct 20 @ 2:03 PM ET
kelsey grammer
- watsonnostaw

i havent forgotten your recommendation of BOSS and i do plan to seek it out oneday
Doppleganger
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Oct 21 @ 12:52 AM ET
You ask a question you think will prove a point, it doesn't, so you change the topic.


No wonder you like Mitt so much

- Feeling Glucky?


America voted in a guy, in 2008, that did not get vetted by the media, and is lost without his teleprompter.

This time around the media, and hollywood are trying to get voters to overlook the mistake they made four years ago, and shifting any attention away from his record by demonizing Romney.

Is he gonna be any better than Obama? Well he can't be worse.
laughs2907
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Oct 21 @ 2:31 AM ET
http://www.romneytaxplan.com/
- watsonnostaw


watsonnostaw
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Oct 21 @ 4:35 AM ET
Crimsoninja
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Oct 21 @ 4:53 AM ET


Hypocrisy: If the President's Family Purchased Voter Machines, the Uproar Would be Deafening
http://freakoutnation.blo...if-presidents-family.html
watsonnostaw
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Oct 21 @ 5:01 AM ET
Feeling Glucky?
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Joined: 10.08.2008

Oct 21 @ 5:02 AM ET
America voted in a guy, in 2008, that did not get vetted by the media, and is lost without his teleprompter.

This time around the media, and hollywood are trying to get voters to overlook the mistake they made four years ago, and shifting any attention away from his record by demonizing Romney.

Is he gonna be any better than Obama? Well he can't be worse.

- Doppleganger


Keep running from the facts

All Romney has to do to be worse than Obama is to stick to what he's said in his campaign. Turn back civil rights and social reform, keep the money in the hands of the rich, and cut taxes with no actionable plan for making up the lost income(other than cutting public broadcasting and abortions).

There's no demonizing required... Romney's own campaign should be enough to scare away any reasonable person. It's not even a left/right thing... all he does is lie, skirt around the issues, flip-flop whenever needed, and insult half the nation when he thinks only rich people are listening.

And don't say the media is trying to demonize him... as you're so fond of pointing out, Fox has the most viewership... and they're so far up his ass, they have to say things like "turn off the volume to see who won the debate"... probably because they know if anyone rational is actually watching(not that anyone rational watches Fox news seriously) Romney's arguments would get them firmly on the Obama bandwagon.

The only people Romney can count on are those who are staunchly conservative, and would vote a turd sandwich into office if that was the candidate they had to run with, and people who only care that he's letting religion decide his policies for him. Last I checked... there was supposed to be some separation of state and church.

Obama's done a lot for America, despite having republicans try and hold back progress at every possible avenue, simply because the president is a Democrat.
watsonnostaw
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Oct 21 @ 5:09 AM ET
Crimsoninja
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Oct 21 @ 5:26 AM ET
watsonnostaw
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Oct 21 @ 5:30 AM ET
watsonnostaw
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Oct 21 @ 5:31 AM ET
Where is the abortion section?
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