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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 19 @ 8:30 PM ET
Very doubtful. Schenn never even put up 30 in any minor league.

He really has no offensive skill while Myers has a ton of it.

- gretzky


and yet myers could never outscore schenn in the same season. He had to stick around and play as a 19 year old to do that.

not that I think Schenn will put up 40. 30 to 35 he will probably top out at. I think. Which isnt too bad. Because anyone who watched him play over the last few years saw that hes developed a lot of patience with the puck and skates pretty well. Only an idiot wouldnt see that.

Did you know oscar klefbom has never scored more than 2 points in any league? Thats because hes actually an offensive liability. If his team is about to score he will break up the play.
sens rock
Joined: 09.30.2007

Sep 19 @ 8:42 PM ET
and yet myers could never outscore schenn in the same season. He had to stick around and play as a 19 year old to do that.

not that I think Schenn will put up 40. 30 to 35 he will probably top out at. I think. Which isnt too bad. Because anyone who watched him play over the last few years saw that hes developed a lot of patience with the puck and skates pretty well. Only an idiot wouldnt see that.

Did you know oscar klefbom has never scored more than 2 points in any league? Thats because hes actually an offensive liability. If his team is about to score he will break up the play.

- prock


30 points would be what i expect out of schenn

Myers is capable of putting up 50+ points consitently throughout his career while being as good as schenn defensively.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 19 @ 8:47 PM ET
30 points would be what i expect out of schenn

Myers is capable of putting up 50+ points consitently throughout his career while being as good as schenn defensively.

- sens rock


well he isnt as good defensively though. Not at this point. I have my doubts ever. I'm not saying Schenn is "miles better" as others have said. But definitely better.
sens rock
Joined: 09.30.2007

Sep 19 @ 8:59 PM ET
well he isnt as good defensively though. Not at this point. I have my doubts ever. I'm not saying Schenn is "miles better" as others have said. But definitely better.
- prock


well schenn being an defensive defenseman is obviously more effective defensively. but i think myers is equal in positioning and reading the play. and his reach is far and above schenn. his defensive shortcomings come from him being involved offensively not from being bad in his own end.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 19 @ 9:04 PM ET
well schenn being an defensive defenseman is obviously more effective defensively. but i think myers is equal in positioning and reading the play. and his reach is far and above schenn. his defensive shortcomings come from him being involved offensively not from being bad in his own end.
- sens rock


I think youre wrong.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 19 @ 9:51 PM ET
well schenn being an defensive defenseman is obviously more effective defensively. but i think myers is equal in positioning and reading the play. and his reach is far and above schenn. his defensive shortcomings come from him being involved offensively not from being bad in his own end.
- sens rock



not true...
gretzky
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 19 @ 11:14 PM ET
and yet myers could never outscore schenn in the same season. He had to stick around and play as a 19 year old to do that.

not that I think Schenn will put up 40. 30 to 35 he will probably top out at. I think. Which isnt too bad. Because anyone who watched him play over the last few years saw that hes developed a lot of patience with the puck and skates pretty well. Only an idiot wouldnt see that.

Did you know oscar klefbom has never scored more than 2 points in any league? Thats because hes actually an offensive liability. If his team is about to score he will break up the play.

- prock


making stuff up now? that's not true at all.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 19 @ 11:17 PM ET
Schenn is on a whole different level when it comes to punishing people physically for daring to skate near him though. He's also a better shot blocker. They are probably on a similar level in terms of reading plays and being in position but Schenn gets the edge because of what I mentioned above. Myers is still the better overall dman but he isn't as good defensively.
gretzky
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 19 @ 11:17 PM ET
Luke Schenn NHL career +/-= -17
Tyler Myers NHL career +/-= +13

Case closed leafers.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 19 @ 11:20 PM ET
Luke Schenn NHL career +/-= -17
Tyler Myers NHL career +/-= +13

Case closed leafers.

- gretzky




Meaningless....


Check blocked shots and hits. Schenn is lightyears ahead.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 19 @ 11:22 PM ET
Luke Schenn NHL career +/-= -17
Tyler Myers NHL career +/-= +13

Case closed leafers.

- gretzky

Gretzky was the greatest defensive forward ever.

1984-85 +98
gretzky
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 19 @ 11:22 PM ET
Meaningless....


Check blocked shots and hits. Schenn is lightyears ahead.

- burn


Myers is lightyears ahead in +/- and points. Meaningless as well?
gretzky
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 19 @ 11:25 PM ET
Sorry Leaf fans I know you don't want to hear it but Schenn=Regher 2.0 and Myers=Chara 2.0 in the future.

Chara 2.0.>>Regher 2.0
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 19 @ 11:26 PM ET
Sorry Leaf fans I know you don't want to hear it but Schenn=Regher 2.0 and Myers=Chara 2.0 in the future.

Chara 2.0.>>Regher 2.0

- gretzky

Zzzzz
gretzky
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 19 @ 11:28 PM ET
Zzzzz
- Schenn-Sational!


It's true. One dimensional checking defensemen are less highly regarded than monster sized agile puck movers who can play excellent defensively as well as rack up 50+ points.

Just a fact

Anyone who isn't a Leaf fan would trade Schenn for Myers in a heartbeat.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 19 @ 11:31 PM ET
Sorry Leaf fans I know you don't want to hear it but Schenn=Regher 2.0 and Myers=Chara 2.0 in the future.

Chara 2.0.>>Regher 2.0

- gretzky

It could turn out like that but Myers will have to start playing a lot more physical for that to be true. He'll probably end up better than Schenn but basically saying he'll be a Chara clone just because he's tall is silly.

daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 19 @ 11:31 PM ET
It's true. One dimensional checking defensemen are less highly regarded than monster sized agile puck movers who can play excellent defensively as well as rack up 50+ points.

Just a fact

Anyone who isn't a Leaf fan would trade Schenn for Myers in a heartbeat.

- gretzky

Most Leafs fans would too.
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Sep 19 @ 11:35 PM ET
It's true. One dimensional checking defensemen are less highly regarded than monster sized agile puck movers who can play excellent defensively as well as rack up 50+ points.

Just a fact

Anyone who isn't a Leaf fan would trade Schenn for Myers in a heartbeat.

- gretzky



Only one of those 2 can do that,and it ain't myers.
nightmare3020
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Windsor Area, ON
Joined: 08.23.2006

Sep 19 @ 11:56 PM ET
Luke Schenn NHL career +/-= -17
Tyler Myers NHL career +/-= +13

Case closed leafers.

- gretzky

campbell is lightyears ahead of lidstrom with this reasoning
gretzky
Edmonton Oilers
Joined: 07.21.2009

Sep 20 @ 1:49 AM ET
campbell is lightyears ahead of lidstrom with this reasoning
- nightmare3020


But Lidstrom is still a +51 in his last 3 seasons (same as Campbell actually)

Schenn is -17.

HUGE difference.
daeth
Colorado Avalanche
Location: 43 points, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Sep 20 @ 3:53 AM ET
Mike Green is a +69 over the last three seasons. He must be amazing defensively.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Sep 20 @ 6:11 AM ET
But Lidstrom is still a +51 in his last 3 seasons (same as Campbell actually)

Schenn is -17.

HUGE difference.

- gretzky


look, youre making stupid comments again. You should just stop.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 20 @ 8:38 AM ET
It's true. One dimensional checking defensemen are less highly regarded than monster sized agile puck movers who can play excellent defensively as well as rack up 50+ points.

Just a fact

Anyone who isn't a Leaf fan would trade Schenn for Myers in a heartbeat.

- gretzky

We're talking about Schenn and Myers here. You've described neither.
Schenn-Sational!
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Sorry you don't understand...Y
Joined: 10.08.2008

Sep 20 @ 8:40 AM ET
Mike Green is a +69 over the last three seasons. He must be amazing defensively.
- daeth

Phillips is the worst defensive player in the league.
Doppleganger
Ottawa Senators
Location: Reality
Joined: 08.25.2006

Sep 20 @ 9:18 AM ET
Schenn actually added more weight this summer. Guys a tank.
- Schenn-Sational!


But Myers added more weight to his bank account.

The market has spoken.
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