So let me get your logic straight...........players on worse teams are better players than those who play on better teams..............and that's why Schenn is better than Myers?




- Doppleganger

+/- is a team stat. It's worthless.

Kessel had a great +/- on a good Boston team his last season there.

So let me get your logic straight...........players on worse teams are better players than those who play on better teams..............and that's why Schenn is better than Myers?




- Doppleganger

frozen molasses is quicker than you

Myers's +/- is better because he plays on a better team(more importantly, in front of a better goalie). +/- doesn't make one player better than another, it's a pretty useless stat, unless you want to argue that Alfredsson is one of the worst defensive players in the league, along with Chris Phillips and Karlsson(well, that one may be true)

frozen molasses is quicker than you

Myers's +/- is better because he plays on a better team(more importantly, in front of a better goalie). +/- doesn't make one player better than another, it's a pretty useless stat, unless you want to argue that Alfredsson is one of the worst defensive players in the league, along with Chris Phillips and Karlsson(well, that one may be true)
- Schenn-Sational!

The only statistic that really matter is if the Leafs can gain enough points to stay in playoff contention through the season.

The comment regarding the fact that the Leafs might benefit is simply a reflection on what you just said. Lombardi is an upgrade on Bozak and Franson adds more depth at the 3-5 D position. I think that is all that I intended to say.
- spatso

so adding depth "will" help you?

yes, plus minus is such a valid stat
- Schenn-Sational!

And Myers 37 points (10 goals) vs Schenn's 22 points (5 goals) are not.

Funny how you overlooked that.

The only statistic that really matter is if the Leafs can gain enough points to stay in playoff contention through the season.
- spatso

Same can be said for every team

And Myers 37 points (10 goals) vs Schenn's 22 points (5 goals) are not.

Funny how you overlooked that.
- Doppleganger

I didn't, I flat out said Myers is better offensively, but Schenn is still the better player overall, far better defensively and physically, and is considered more of a leader.

I didn't, I flat out said Myers is better offensively, but Schenn is still the better player overall, far better defensively and physically, and is considered more of a leader.
- Schenn-Sational!

Yeah but he likes men.

Yeah but he likes men.
- sanfordnson

Kate Von D isn't a man, she just sounds like one.

I didn't, I flat out said Myers is better offensively, but Schenn is still the better player overall, far better defensively and physically, and is considered more of a leader.
- Schenn-Sational!

The stats don't back up what you claim (Defensive) they actually show the opposite. Oh yes you can simply dismiss them, as they don't fir your version of reality, but there's a reason these stats are kept.

If both players were available and Ottawa was to make a deal for either one, I'd hope Murray would pursue Myers over Schenn. I would welcome either player, but would prefer one over the other.

Let's see if fans of other teams agree with me, or you.

so adding depth "will" help you?
- senstroll

I think that is what I said. A better third line center and more depth in your 3-5 defensive position is a benefit. Not sure it gets you anymore wins to significantly alter your playoff aspirations.

The larger point I was trying to make was that Fisher and Blum in the Nashville lineup is a substantial upgrade for them. Blum is their top propect. Fisher is an improvement over Lombardi for no other reason than he will be available to play on a regular basis and can play head to head against the opposing top line center.

I didn't, I flat out said Myers is better offensively, but Schenn is still the better player overall, far better defensively and physically, and is considered more of a leader.
- Schenn-Sational!

Nobody who has any hockey inside perspective thinks that Schenn is a better overall player than Myers. Nobody!

The stats don't back up what you claim (Defensive) they actually show the opposite. Oh yes you can simply dismiss them, as they don't fir your version of reality, but there's a reason these stats are kept.

If both players were available and Ottawa was to make a deal for either one, I'd hope Murray would pursue Myers over Schenn. I would welcome either player, but would prefer one over the other.

Let's see if fans of other teams agree with me, or you.
- Doppleganger

You're using a stat that doesn't reflect defensive ability to compare defensive ability.

+/- could be useful when comparing players on the same team, as they have more similar circumstances, but even then it's not reliable, for example Bozak is one of the Leafs' better defensive players, but has the worst +/- on the team.

In theory the stat measures total contribution (offense and defense), but in practice, there are too many factors in play to have it be a reliable stat. You using +/- discredits your opinion(assuming any one ever thought positively of it).

Nobody who has any hockey inside perspective thinks that Schenn is a better overall player than Myers. Nobody!
- spatso

If you say so. I'll take that opinion with a grain of salt though, seeing as you're entirely full of poop

You're using a stat that doesn't reflect defensive ability to compare defensive ability.

+/- could be useful when comparing players on the same team, as they have more similar circumstances, but even then it's not reliable, for example Bozak is one of the Leafs' better defensive players, but has the worst +/- on the team.

In theory the stat measures total contribution (offense and defense), but in practice, there are too many factors in play to have it be a reliable stat. You using +/- discredits your opinion(assuming any one ever thought positively of it).
- Schenn-Sational!

Giveaways is the only statistic more meaningless than +/-.

Giveaways is the only statistic more meaningless than +/-.
- spatso

this is true... hits isn't entirely reliable either... different stat keepers have different metrics for what a "hit" and "giveaway" is, and given the speed of the game, even if they all did work by the same metric, the game's too fast to accurately record each event.

If you say so. I'll take that opinion with a grain of salt though, seeing as you're entirely full of poop
- Schenn-Sational!

I prefer for people to try and express themselves through the use of appropriate language. You could have improved what you said by keeping it simple yet equally direct. For example, would it not have been better if you had said, "I'll take the opinion with a grain of salt though, as it is my opinion that your point of view has a history of being wrong."

If you were correct, then why was Schenn a minus 7 last season, while Myers was an even last season?
- Doppleganger

campbell was +28, hes terrible in his own zone

+/- is pretty much the most useless stat in the nhl. Only idiots use it in an argument... just saying

campbell was +28, hes terrible in his own zone

+/- is pretty much the most useless stat in the nhl. Only idiots use it in an argument... just saying
- nightmare3020

HOW DARE YOU MAKE A JOKE ABOUT THAT, YOU SICK SICK PERSON

HOW DARE YOU MAKE A JOKE ABOUT THAT, YOU SICK SICK PERSON
- Schenn-Sational!

yea my bad.... i shouldnt make a joke about +/- on a day like this

I prefer for people to try and express themselves through the use of appropriate language. You could have improved what you said by keeping it simple yet equally direct. For example, would it not have been better if you had said, "I'll take the opinion with a grain of salt though, as it is my opinion that your point of view has a history of being wrong."
- spatso

Thank you, but I prefer my way

Kate Von D isn't a man, she just sounds like one.
- Schenn-Sational!

isn't Jesse James plowing her?

Thank you, but I prefer my way
- Schenn-Sational!

awesome movie

isn't Jesse James plowing her?
- sanfordnson

I think I heard something about them breaking it off.

awesome movie
- sanfordnson

yup, one of the faves