Well you seem to think Carter will get around 7 mill.. which is a 2 mil raise, and I believe Giroux will get atleast a 2 mil raise... and Carle only makes 3.4 mil, add to that whatever it is we get back if we were to trade him for a player.. insert Bartulis and his 600k...

It wouldnt be a wash.
- jak521

Close enough to be a wash. And easily done.

Right, and carter getting a raise to 7M, as some suggest he is worth, would make it hard to sign giroux/JVR and potentially leino.
- BradTardforGM

Unless he puts up 100+ points, if Carter wants $7 million/season, I would look to move him. That's a ridiculous number.

Boston
- 2Real

I don't think they kept lesser players.

Unless he puts up 100+ points, if Carter wants $7 million/season, I would look to move him. That's a ridiculous number.
- marooninja

you think he's only going to ask for a $1 mil raise?

Assuming, like many other people, that one of Carle or Coburn end up as the 5th d-man, and Meszaros steps up and plays with either Pronger or Timonen, yes... Bartulis would absolutely need to replace them. Also, Odonnell is gone after this season.


Also, since you asked 2 times about the cap, does that require me to answer 2 times? JW
- jak521

I don't know how you figure that. Bartulis would be the 6th D man on this team. So how would he be replacing Carle of Coburn? Makes no sense.

you think he's only going to ask for a $1 mil raise?
- Crimsoninja

i'd like to see what kind of season he has, but yeah, basically.

Boston - kessel

If these core players were so important that a team should do what it takes to keep/get them, why are teams not willing to sign kovalchuk to his 8.5-10M contract. LA doesnt want to, lombardi said he doesnt want to jeopardize being able to sign kopitar/doughty/simmonds. NJ didnt want the high cap hit, and we all know how that worked out.
- BradTardforGM

Boston didn't keep lesser players in my opinion. And Kessel doesn't fit into the mold of a Carter in my opinion.

Kovalchuk isn't a young player that the team drafted and has developed and is just entering into his prime.
And that totally proves my point. Lombardi wants to keep his young top core players, not deal them.

I don't think they kept lesser players.
- MJL

um ok krejci thomas?

I don't know how you figure that. Bartulis would be the 6th D man on this team. So how would he be replacing Carle of Coburn? Makes no sense.
- MJL

Then who is the 5th d-man?

Meszaros-Pronger
Coburn-Timonen
Bartulis-?

Close enough to be a wash. And easily done.
- MJL

Horse shoes and hand grenades my friend.

According to the logic that you and others are using, Chicago should have traded Toews or Kane, and kept Versteeg, Buff and Ladd.

Why would they have to trade Carle, and let Leino and Zherdev walk to resign Carter and Giroux?

And yes, I would move all three of those players to keep Giroux and Carter. And I disagree that the team would be weaker.
- MJL

Never did i say that Chi should have traded Toews or Kane. Both of those players are signed long term. If Carter was signed long term, we wouldnt even be discussing this.

I am saying that if they do sign Carter and Giroux, they are gonna struggle to sign the other 5 forwards and a goalie. 2 Forwards of which, are offensively significant scoring line guys. It was suggested by another poster that trading Carle would make it easier to be done.


And if we were to trade carter for a top 6 winger, picks and prospects, Resign Giroux, and one of Leino or Zherdev, and keep Carle, i think the team would be better now and in the future then if they were to trade Carle, let Zherdev and Leino walk, and sign Giroux and Carter. Carter is a very very good player, but Leino, Zherdev, and Carle are able to help the team more then one jeff carter.

Never did i say that Chi should have traded Toews or Kane. Both of those players are signed long term. If Carter was signed long term, we wouldnt even be discussing this.

I am saying that if they do sign Carter and Giroux, they are gonna struggle to sign the other 5 forwards and a goalie. 2 Forwards of which, are offensively significant scoring line guys. It was suggested by another poster that trading Carle would make it easier to be done.


And if we were to trade carter for a top 6 winger, picks and prospects, Resign Giroux, and one of Leino or Zherdev, and keep Carle, i think the team would be better now and in the future then if they were to trade Carle, let Zherdev and Leino walk, and sign Giroux and Carter. Carter is a very very good player, but Leino, Zherdev, and Carle are able to help the team more then one jeff carter.
- jak521

if we do trade carter i want: roster player with a ton of potential, a high pick, and a SOLID prospect anything less and i'm face palming

Boston didn't keep lesser players in my opinion. And Kessel doesn't fit into the mold of a Carter in my opinion.

Kovalchuk isn't a young player that the team drafted and has developed and is just entering into his prime.
And that totally proves my point. Lombardi wants to keep his young top core players, not deal them.
- MJL

my point with kovalchuk was that no one is rushing to sign him because he has a big cap hit. why should the flyers ink carter to a 7M salary as you have suggested?

you think he's only going to ask for a $1 mil raise?
- Crimsoninja

it's a new ball game if he's expecting to get eric staal money he's got another thing coming... the cap has ruined player salaries

Then who is the 5th d-man?

Meszaros-Pronger
Coburn-Timonen
Bartulis-?
- jak521

Who would be the 5th D man now, if Carle was traded this off season? Who are the two options?

my point with kovalchuk was that no one is rushing to sign him because he has a big cap hit. why should the flyers ink carter to a 7M salary as you have suggested?
- BradTardforGM

How do you know that no one is rushing to sign Kovalchuk. I bet his agent got plenty fo phone calls and offers on July 1.


The Flyers should ink Carter because he's arguably the bet player on the team. Is 25 years old and just entering his prime.

Horse shoes and hand grenades my friend.
- jak521

More like reality and fantasy!

Never did i say that Chi should have traded Toews or Kane. Both of those players are signed long term. If Carter was signed long term, we wouldnt even be discussing this.


- jak521

I didn't say that you did. Do you think Chicago knew about the future Cap issues it would cause them when they resigned Toews and Kane to new deals this past Season? Why didn't they say let's trade one of them and not resign them to new deal, so we can keep some of our lesser players. It's the same situation. Except with Chicago it happened a year earlier. What did they choose to do? Not with one player, but with two in that situation? Why do you think that is?

I am saying that if they do sign Carter and Giroux, they are gonna struggle to sign the other 5 forwards and a goalie. 2 Forwards of which, are offensively significant scoring line guys. It was suggested by another poster that trading Carle would make it easier to be done.


- jak521

Are you talking about Leino and Zherdev? Neither of which was on the team at the start of last year, and one of them has never played a game for the Flyers. Who is a higher priority?

And if we were to trade carter for a top 6 winger, picks and prospects, Resign Giroux, and one of Leino or Zherdev, and keep Carle, i think the team would be better now and in the future then if they were to trade Carle, let Zherdev and Leino walk, and sign Giroux and Carter. Carter is a very very good player, but Leino, Zherdev, and Carle are able to help the team more then one jeff carter.
- jak521

Well how come Chicago didn't trade Kane or Toews for a top 6 forward, picks, and a prospect and keep Versteeg, Ladd, and Byfuglien?
Isn't Versteeg, Ladd, and Byfulein able to help the team more than one Toews or Kane?
There is no question that I walk away from Zherdev, Leino, and trade Carle to keep Carter.

How do you know that no one is rushing to sign Kovalchuk. I bet his agent got plenty fo phone calls and offers on July 1.

The Flyers should ink Carter because he's arguably the bet player on the team. Is 25 years old and just entering his prime.
- MJL

I dont doubt there were calls, but the money sure wasn't there.

Hes not the best player. He is not worth 7M.

Horse shoes and hand grenades my friend.
- jak521

please don't steal my mom's line

Well how come Chicago didn't trade Kane or Toews for a top 6 forward, picks, and a prospect and keep Versteeg, Ladd, and Byfuglien?
Isn't Versteeg, Ladd, and Byfulein able to help the team more than one Toews or Kane?

- MJL

You're assuming that the decisions Chicago made will make them a better team over the next couple seasons (moving 3 guys versus moving 1 guy), but no one knows until it happens. The possibility exists that they just messed up.

More like reality and fantasy!
- MJL

You asked me to explain i did. How is it reality and fantasy at the same time?

Who would be the 5th D man now, if Carle was traded this off season? Who are the two options?
- MJL

Thats exactly what i asked you.

I didn't say that you did. Do you think Chicago knew about the future Cap issues it would cause them when they resigned Toews and Kane to new deals this past Season? Why didn't they say let's trade one of them and not resign them to new deal, so we can keep some of our lesser players. It's the same situation. Except with Chicago it happened a year earlier. What did they choose to do? Not with one player, but with two in that situation? Why do you think that is?



Are you talking about Leino and Zherdev? Neither of which was on the team at the start of last year, and one of them has never played a game for the Flyers. Who is a higher priority?



Well how come Chicago didn't trade Kane or Toews for a top 6 forward, picks, and a prospect and keep Versteeg, Ladd, and Byfuglien?
Isn't Versteeg, Ladd, and Byfulein able to help the team more than one Toews or Kane?
There is no question that I walk away from Zherdev, Leino, and trade Carle to keep Carter.
- MJL

Please copy and paste the post where i said Chi should have traded Towes or Kane. I would love for you to do that. They both have long term deals at tolerable cap hits. Carter is an upcoming RFA, who is bound to get 7 mil right? Completely different situations... Also while you are at it, find the post where i said that the flyers SHOULD trade Carter.


Im not talking about how long they have been with the team, if that were the case Gagne would still be here.

Well considering Towes is better then Carter
Also, Chicago went all in for one reason.. to win a cup. They did that, and now are going to feel the effects of it.

As of right now they have 9 forwards and 2 mil in cap space. Thats before coming to terms with Niemi.

Again, if I could get a top 6 forward, a 1st and 2nd and a top prospect, i would consider moving Carter.

I personally think that if we kept Carle, signed Giroux and one of Zherdev/Leino, added the top 6 winger from Carter, as well as the prospect and picks, we would not only be the better team that season, but potentially in a better position in the future.

Just an opinion.

please don't steal my mom's line
- davies

dave, it's a more common expression than you may realize..



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