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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 19 @ 8:34 AM ET
Talk on TSN1200 this morning of giving Vegas the Sens 2017 1st to Keep Methot

That would be great, that would leave them 3 total picks

- senstroll



wow. I don't know if I've ever seen a team set themselves up for a fall as bad as this.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 19 @ 8:43 AM ET
wow. I don't know if I've ever seen a team set themselves up for a fall as bad as this.
- prock


More praying required
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 19 @ 8:54 AM ET
More praying required
- senstroll


only had 5 picks last year. the first one isn't very good and the second is already traded. they could end up with 3 depth picks this time round. it's getting ugly.

draft schmaft amirite?
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 9:06 AM ET
only had 5 picks last year. the first one isn't very good and the second is already traded. they could end up with 3 depth picks this time round. it's getting ugly.

draft schmaft amirite?

- prock



Do you need to be reminded of how well Ottawa has done with late round picks?

I'll just look at the last 10 drafts.


2008 - 3rd and 5th round picks, currently on Ottawa's Roster

2009 - 4th and 5th round picks, currently on Ottawa's Roster

2010 - 3th round pick, currently on Ottawa's Roster

2011 - 4th, 5th and 7th round picks, currently on Ottawa's Roster



So no need to worry about how Ottawa will do going forward, they draft and develop well enough, so don't lose any sleep about it ................. you would be better off being more concerned about the shortcomings of the leafs ............... little to no defense, another back-up goaltender acquired and forced into a starters role and the massive cap issues that they will have when all those ELCs expire.


We appreciate your concern for Ottawa's well being, but don't worry, it's under control.



senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 19 @ 9:21 AM ET
Do you need to be reminded of how well Ottawa has done with late round picks?

I'll just look at the last 10 drafts.


2008 - 3rd and 5th round picks, currently on Ottawa's Roster

2009 - 4th and 5th round picks, currently on Ottawa's Roster

2010 - 3th round pick, currently on Ottawa's Roster

2011 - 4th, 5th and 7th round picks, currently on Ottawa's Roster



So no need to worry about how Ottawa will do going forward, they draft and develop well enough, so don't lose any sleep about it ................. you would be better off being more concerned about the shortcomings of the leafs ............... little to no defense, another back-up goaltender acquired and forced into a starters role and the massive cap issues that they will have when all those ELCs expire.


We appreciate your concern for Ottawa's well being, but don't worry, it's under control.

- D0PPELGANGER


Maybe....just maybe it has something to do with the amount of picks..
glad you miss the point again

2008 - 7
2009 - 9
2010 - 4 (hey only 1 NHL player...weird with less picks)
2011 - 10

Its almost as if having more picks give you a better shot at getting NHL players.

after the 1st round its a lottery, get as many tickets as you can
also, 2012, 2013 and 2014 look very bleak so far
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 9:57 AM ET
Maybe....just maybe it has something to do with the amount of picks..
glad you miss the point again

2008 - 7
2009 - 9
2010 - 4 (hey only 1 NHL player...weird with less picks)
2011 - 10

Its almost as if having more picks give you a better shot at getting NHL players.

after the 1st round its a lottery, get as many tickets as you can
also, 2012, 2013 and 2014 look very bleak so far

- senstroll



Again, we appreciate you concern for the Ottawa Senators............ but let me remind you, for the last 15 years or so, that we've been bantering about the two Ontario teams, and the NHL in general, on this site ............. all you leaf fans have been predicting the imminent demise of the Senators ............. but they've somehow managed to qualify for the ECFs a few times, and the SCFs once .............. so why not concentrate on the continuous failings of the leafs, rather than repeated alarmist rants about the Senators?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 19 @ 10:13 AM ET
Again, we appreciate you concern for the Ottawa Senators............ but let me remind you, for the last 15 years or so, that we've been bantering about the two Ontario teams, and the NHL in general, on this site ............. all you leaf fans have been predicting the imminent demise of the Senators ............. but they've somehow managed to qualify for the ECFs a few times, and the SCFs once .............. so why not concentrate on the continuous failings of the leafs, rather than repeated alarmist rants about the Senators?
- D0PPELGANGER


uhhh....have you ever read the title of the thread?
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 19 @ 10:13 AM ET
summer talk
- systemtool


mmmmmm...kool-aid in the summer.

tastes delicious.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 19 @ 10:51 AM ET
Again, we appreciate you concern for the Ottawa Senators............ but let me remind you, for the last 15 years or so, that we've been bantering about the two Ontario teams, and the NHL in general, on this site ............. all you leaf fans have been predicting the imminent demise of the Senators ............. but they've somehow managed to qualify for the ECFs a few times, and the SCFs once .............. so why not concentrate on the continuous failings of the leafs, rather than repeated alarmist rants about the Senators?
- D0PPELGANGER


Excellent I claim victory on this one.. since you went off on some dumb rant
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 19 @ 10:56 AM ET
Again, we appreciate you concern for the Ottawa Senators............ but let me remind you, for the last 15 years or so, that we've been bantering about the two Ontario teams, and the NHL in general, on this site ............. all you leaf fans have been predicting the imminent demise of the Senators ............. but they've somehow managed to qualify for the ECFs a few times, and the SCFs once .............. so why not concentrate on the continuous failings of the leafs, rather than repeated alarmist rants about the Senators?
- D0PPELGANGER



Okay, let's break this down.

but let me remind you, for the last 15 years or so, that we've been bantering about the two Ontario teams, and the NHL in general, on this site .............
- D0PPELGANGER


This site has not been around for 15 years. It's been around 12. And didn't become popular until 2007.

. all you leaf fans have been predicting the imminent demise of the Senators ............. but they've somehow managed to qualify for the ECFs a few times, and the SCFs once ..............
- D0PPELGANGER


Most people refer to a couple as 2, and a few as 3. But by the literal definition of a few includes two, so sure, over the last 15 years, the senaturds have been to the ECF twice. The Leafs have been once, and just off by a few years to include another appearance, and two more 2nd round appearances.

So, even if you just look at the last 15 years, you're really talking the difference of this most recent run, which almost all NHL fans agree was a Cinderella run unlikely to be repeated.

so why not concentrate on the continuous failings of the leafs, rather than repeated alarmist rants about the Senators?
- D0PPELGANGER


what's wrong with looking at the continuous failings of both teams over the last decade. Most of what you point out (over 15 years) really occurred over a decade ago, and ironically, what you point out is really in large part a result of picking top 3 for 5 years straight, a feat not even matched by the Edmonton Oilers, and what I think is accurately described as the biggest tank job in NHL history. And as the subject of the thread is looking forward, what is almost assuredly the failings of the senaturds continuing for the next decade?
burn
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Tavares is sledge hockey level - Islesrbettr, ON
Joined: 08.02.2006

Jun 19 @ 11:21 AM ET
Talk on TSN1200 this morning of giving Vegas the Sens 2017 1st to Keep Methot

That would be great, that would leave them 3 total picks

- senstroll



That would Be hilarious, please let this happen
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: two steaks and a couple bottles of red wine - we'll get drunk and I'll taze your balls. -Wedgie
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jun 19 @ 11:30 AM ET
That would Be hilarious, please let this happen
- burn


but they worked SOOOOO hard for that coveted 28th draft position.
D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 11:36 AM ET
Okay, let's break this down.



This site has not been around for 15 years. It's been around 12. And didn't become popular until 2007.



Most people refer to a couple as 2, and a few as 3. But by the literal definition of a few includes two, so sure, over the last 15 years, the senaturds have been to the ECF twice. The Leafs have been once, and just off by a few years to include another appearance, and two more 2nd round appearances.

So, even if you just look at the last 15 years, you're really talking the difference of this most recent run, which almost all NHL fans agree was a Cinderella run unlikely to be repeated.



what's wrong with looking at the continuous failings of both teams over the last decade. And as the subject of the thread is looking forward, what is almost assuredly the failings of the senaturds continuing for the next decade?

- prock



Great research on this site .............12 years, 15 years ....... whatever ....... does not detract from my point.

The Trollonto fans here was been predicting the decline of the Senators for (12) years, and their track record has been abysmal ............ none of the predictions have panned out ........... in fact quite the opposite has happened ....... it's the Senators, and their fans, that heave enjoyed multiple trips to the ECFs and one trip to the SCFs .......... while the leafs, and their fans have suffered through the agony of the numerous disappointments the on ice product has served up. The leafs have not won a round in the playoffs in those 12 years ............. so why would anyone put any stock in any prediction that you trollonto fans make on this site..................none have ever come true in regards to the Ontario based teams.



Yes we Senator fans know the success of the Senators has burned a deep hole of frustration into your brains, and you have no other choice but to take out your frustrations here, fantasizing about how, some day (over the past 12 years) that the Sens will crash and burn .................. but its the leafs that have repeatedly crash and burned over this time frame ...................... it must really hurt bad.


So please continue to vent vent vent, it just makes it all that much sweeter for the Senators fans here, watching your frustration with the leafs failures, contrasted with the numerous achievements of the Senators, as a team and with individual Senator players.





prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 19 @ 12:13 PM ET
Great research on this site .............12 years, 15 years ....... whatever ....... does not detract from my point.

- D0PPELGANGER

Well yes it does, actually, because trying to go back to 15 years ago, is a lot longer than we've been look at "what the future looks like". The timeframe we've looked at, the senaturds have primarily been a one and done, or not make the playoffs at all, caliber team.

You want to go back to the 15 year mark, but I'm sure if we were to bring up how often the Leafs were trouncing and bouncing the senaturds back then, you'd sing a different tune, about it being ancient history.

Do you want to discuss us ruining the senators over and over and over in those days? We're happy to do so.

ps - it didn't take much research. It's written in the footer which appears on every screen on the site, dumbass.


The Trollonto fans here was been predicting the decline of the Senators for (12) years, and their track record has been abysmal ............ none of the predictions have panned out ........... in fact quite the opposite has happened ....... it's the Senators, and their fans, that heave enjoyed multiple trips to the ECFs and one trip to the SCFs .......... while the leafs, and their fans have suffered through the agony of the numerous disappointments the on ice product has served up. The leafs have not won a round in the playoffs in those 12 years ............. so why would anyone put any stock in any prediction that you trollonto fans make on this site..................none have ever come true in regards to the Ontario based teams.

- D0PPELGANGER


to the bolded - yes, the sens have a pretty bad track record over the past 10 years, you're correct. Only one "trip to the ECF", on the backs of some injury riddled teams. Congrats!!! Gonna raise another banner for that? As little as it means, at least this one would be YOUR FRANCHISE!!!!!!

I would say that would mean that our predictions have been pretty accurate over that timeframe.


Yes we Senator fans know the success of the Senators has burned a deep hole of frustration into your brains, and you have no other choice but to take out your frustrations here, fantasizing about how, some day (over the past 12 years) that the Sens will crash and burn .................. but its the leafs that have repeatedly crash and burned over this time frame ...................... it must really hurt bad.


So please continue to vent vent vent, it just makes it all that much sweeter for the Senators fans here, watching your frustration with the leafs failures, contrasted with the numerous achievements of the Senators, as a team and with individual Senator players.

- D0PPELGANGER


Wishful thinking. There is no real success of the senaturds to speak of.

No venting. We're all very elated at the state of our franchise.

And it really seems to have senaturds fans rattled.
daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 19 @ 12:16 PM ET
I really feel like we're getting close to deciding who wins here. 1-2 days and we can close this thread.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 19 @ 12:26 PM ET
I really feel like we're getting close to deciding who wins here. 1-2 days and we can close this thread.
- daeth


Since the senaturds came into the league:

Regular Season
Leafs (W/L/T/OT/PTS) 877 / 772 / 112 / 143 / 2009
Sens (W/L/T/OT/PTS) 866 / 788 / 115 / 135 / 1982

Playoffs
Leafs (G/W/L) 145 / 71 / 74
Sens (G/W/L) 151 / 72 / 79

It's a tie. both suck.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jun 19 @ 3:10 PM ET
Karlsson traded to Vegas

twiztedmike
Seattle Kraken
Joined: 10.06.2007

Jun 19 @ 3:12 PM ET
Great research on this site .............12 years, 15 years ....... whatever ....... does not detract from my point.

The Trollonto fans here was been predicting the decline of the Senators for (12) years, and their track record has been abysmal ............ none of the predictions have panned out ........... in fact quite the opposite has happened ....... it's the Senators, and their fans, that heave enjoyed multiple trips to the ECFs and one trip to the SCFs .......... while the leafs, and their fans have suffered through the agony of the numerous disappointments the on ice product has served up. The leafs have not won a round in the playoffs in those 12 years ............. so why would anyone put any stock in any prediction that you trollonto fans make on this site..................none have ever come true in regards to the Ontario based teams.


Yes we Senator fans know the success of the Senators has burned a deep hole of frustration into your brains, and you have no other choice but to take out your frustrations here, fantasizing about how, some day (over the past 12 years) that the Sens will crash and burn .................. but its the leafs that have repeatedly crash and burned over this time frame ...................... it must really hurt bad.


So please continue to vent vent vent, it just makes it all that much sweeter for the Senators fans here, watching your frustration with the leafs failures, contrasted with the numerous achievements of the Senators, as a team and with individual Senator players.

- D0PPELGANGER

d0pps chill bro jus 420 it hard af
Nucker101
Seattle Kraken
Location: Empty The Clip, ME
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM ET
Talk on TSN1200 this morning of giving Vegas the Sens 2017 1st to Keep Methot

That would be great, that would leave them 3 total picks

- senstroll

daeth
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: accuratently, ON
Joined: 09.15.2005

Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM ET
d0pps chill bro jus 420 it hard af
- twiztedmike

Your sens envy is showing. You can't handle all their success
Nucker101
Seattle Kraken
Location: Empty The Clip, ME
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 19 @ 3:18 PM ET
Karlsson traded to Vegas


- senstroll


He done good
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:20 PM ET
He done good
- Nucker101


agreed.

i like his choice of hats
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jun 19 @ 3:43 PM ET
agreed.

i like his choice of hats

- Tumbleweed



Not sure what that is.
Tumbleweed
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: avid reader of the daily douche news
Joined: 03.14.2014

Jun 19 @ 3:46 PM ET
Not sure what that is.
- prock


k for karlsun
Nucker101
Seattle Kraken
Location: Empty The Clip, ME
Joined: 09.26.2010

Jun 19 @ 4:08 PM ET
Not sure what that is.
- prock

it's his response to what you think of him
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