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winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Nov 6 @ 10:17 AM ET
[quote=penguininnevada]
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 9 @ 9:02 AM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll


Leafs 17 points in 14 games.... pacing for around 100
Sens 8 points in 12 games...around 55

Sens way worse than I expected
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 9 @ 12:48 PM ET
Leafs 17 points in 14 games.... pacing for around 100
Sens 8 points in 12 games...around 55

Sens way worse than I expected

- senstroll



not surprisiing to me at all. Sens fans were all excited about Giroux and Debrincat. Giroux is getting up there in age, and Debrincat had great totals.... playing with Pat Kane. They were both question marks. and those two are not enough to take a talentless bottom feeder to the playoffs.

They seriously overrate their young players. Guys like Batherson, Pinto, Norris.... they're not as good as Sens fans like to think. They're not the core of a good team. Even Tkachuk. He's a complimentary player, sort of Kessel was (but nowhere near as good as Kessel).

I'm not surprised one bit they're still a bottom dweller. the only thing changed is that they're a bottom dweller with big contracts to pay. Giroux signed to 37 at 6.5 mil. oooofffff
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Farchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Nov 26 @ 11:57 AM ET
Leafs 17 points in 14 games.... pacing for around 100
Sens 8 points in 12 games...around 55

Sens way worse than I expected

- senstroll


Leafs
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Nov 28 @ 8:59 AM ET
Leafs
- winsix


update

Leafs 31 points in 23 games - 110 pace
Sens 17 points in 21 games - 66 pace


prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Nov 28 @ 12:05 PM ET
update

Leafs 31 points in 23 games - 110 pace
Sens 17 points in 21 games - 66 pace

- senstroll



I saw some comments from Sens fans about a week ago, along the lines of "we're only 9 points out of a playoff spot, with 60 games left" - I recall going through this in the dark years of the Leafs. it brings back memories.

It's really interesting when you look at it from a mathematical perspective. It takes roughly 95 points to be somewhat sure you're going to make the playoffs (most years that makes it in both conferences, but not all). it's a good benchmark to aim for if you want to be a playoff team.

Even this early, and only 9 points out of a spot, the Sens need rougly 78 points in their remaining 61 games. That equates to about a .639 points %. A little higher actually.

To put that in perspective, that's a top 10 NHL team. They have to be transition from a bottom 5 team, to a top 10 NHL team, for the entire remainder of the season, starting RIGHT NOW, just to scrape into the playoffs.

I think we're seeing a 6th straight season out of the playoffs for them. It's worth noting, just one more and that matches the 7 straight the Leafs managed in their worst stretch in their 100 year history.
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Dec 5 @ 7:28 AM ET
update

Leafs 31 points in 23 games - 110 pace
Sens 17 points in 21 games - 66 pace

- senstroll


Sens headed towards another lottery pick. Maybe its the Sabres/Oilers/NJ rebuild model. Suck for at least 10 years to get enough top picks to be competetive. We may never know, they will probably be moved before they are a playoff team.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 5 @ 11:38 AM ET
Sens headed towards another lottery pick. Maybe its the Sabres/Oilers/NJ rebuild model. Suck for at least 10 years to get enough top picks to be competetive. We may never know, they will probably be moved before they are a playoff team.
- winsix



Sabres and Oilers are not really all that competitive.

But yeah, it looks like Ottawa is going down the path of being crap for a long time.

Tanking for draft picks isn't all that great when you waste them on players like Jake Sanderson when there are players like Jamie Drysdale available.
prock
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Dec 7 @ 10:07 AM ET
I’m only here for the page count. I’m giddy about the idea of 2000 pages of horse shit.
- bloatedmosquito



WHO IS BETTER? SENATURDS or CANUCKS?
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Dec 7 @ 10:27 AM ET
WHO IS BETTER? SENATURDS or CANUCKS?
- prock


Does it really matter?
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 7 @ 11:26 AM ET
Does it really matter?
- bloatedmosquito



that's not how this goes. if you really wanna get to 2000 pages you're going to have to change your attitude.

(no, it really doesn't matter at all, other than on draft lottery day)
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
Sens headed towards another lottery pick. Maybe its the Sabres/Oilers/NJ rebuild model. Suck for at least 10 years to get enough top picks to be competetive. We may never know, they will probably be moved before they are a playoff team.
- winsix


exciting times for Sens Fans -spatso, probably
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
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Dec 8 @ 11:22 AM ET
exciting times for Sens Fans -spatso, probably
- senstroll



I'm very excited to see this team coming together, they may not win much, but they truly are getting more difficult to play against. It's not very hard for other teams to play against and leave with 2 points. It's also not very hard for other teams players to score goals. we give up tonnes of shots you know. but it's hard for them to get those shots!!! I guess it's not very hard for other teams goalies to stop our shots either. but somehow, the ottawa senators are a hard team to play against. Maybe because, we're.... a team? Rebuild is over. This team HAS ARRIVED!!!

- spazzo

ps - shoulda drafted Laine
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
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Dec 8 @ 11:26 AM ET
exciting times for Sens Fans -spatso, probably
- senstroll



remember his old "but in the end it's the standings that matter". haven't heard that in about..... 7 years?
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Dec 9 @ 8:22 AM ET
remember his old "but in the end it's the standings that matter". haven't heard that in about..... 7 years?
- prock


Can't wait for this year's fire sale.
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Dec 9 @ 9:44 AM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll



Leafs 40 points in 28 games - 117 pace
Sens 22 points in 28 games - 69 pace (nice)


thought the sens might turn a corner, but seems they did and crashed into a tree, again
GreatGigInTheSky
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: "Yeah, Garth is a tool"- Garf, ON
Joined: 06.12.2017

Dec 9 @ 7:51 PM ET
exciting times for Sens Fans -spatso, probably
- senstroll


winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Dec 10 @ 11:32 AM ET

- GreatGigInTheSky

prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Dec 13 @ 8:48 AM ET
Leafs 40 points in 28 games - 117 pace
Sens 22 points in 28 games - 69 pace (nice)


thought the sens might turn a corner, but seems they did and crashed into a tree, again

- senstroll



Given the contracts they've handed out to mediocre players, it's not going to be easy to add to that subpar roster. It's going to have to come from the draft, I guess. But even if that works out, that's what, a 3 or 4 year road, minimum?

In the entire history of the Leafs, that 7 year playoff drought was the worst stretch in team history. Odds are very high the Senators fare worse than that, in this current stretch. Im thinking 10 years is likely at this point.

winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Dec 19 @ 11:38 AM ET
Given the contracts they've handed out to mediocre players, it's not going to be easy to add to that subpar roster. It's going to have to come from the draft, I guess. But even if that works out, that's what, a 3 or 4 year road, minimum?

In the entire history of the Leafs, that 7 year playoff drought was the worst stretch in team history. Odds are very high the Senators fare worse than that, in this current stretch. Im thinking 10 years is likely at this point.

- prock


For a team that loses money and is virtually a cap team, they are not very good. Questionable goaltending and that contract to Joshua Norris is a head scratcher.
winsix
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Toronto Maple Leafs
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Dec 29 @ 11:47 AM ET
update

Leafs 31 points in 23 games - 110 pace
Sens 17 points in 21 games - 66 pace

- senstroll



senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 4 @ 8:56 AM ET
Over / Under Points

Leafs 106.5
Sens 87.5


Go

- senstroll


2023 update

Leafs 53/38 = 114
Sens 39/38 = 84
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 4 @ 10:01 AM ET
2023 update

Leafs 53/38 = 114
Sens 39/38 = 84

- senstroll



they were realistically eliminated by xmas.
penguininnevada
Pittsburgh Penguins
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Joined: 09.01.2008

Jan 7 @ 11:02 PM ET
This is an important point. I have always thought the Toronto media had way too much influence in the Leaf decision making. The media creates a theme, they pump the theme and everyone comes to believe in the theme because nobody wants to break the story line.
- senstroll

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senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
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Jan 20 @ 1:33 PM ET
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