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prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 5 @ 1:05 PM ET
almost 1 year down.
clock ticking Leafs...sens are coming

- senstroll


yeah, I just do'nt understand this line of thinking (in fairness, I doubt you find it outside the Sens fanbase anyway).

They don't have a single player that projects to be as good as any of Matthews, Nylander, Marner, or TAvares. So where are their A list players coming from?

Nor do they have the defense.... They were all excited about Chabot, but he hasn't really shown much to suggest he'll be an elite dman. He turns 25 this month, getting into his prime, and by the olympic team projections that went around, it's pretty clear those who are in a position to pick top players prefer Morgan Rielly, and the supporting cast is nowhere near the likes of Sandin, Muzzin, etc.

You can't build a top team without top players. A whole lot of players projecting to be mediocre middle liners gets you nowhere.
Aetherial
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: two steaks and a couple bottles of red wine - we'll get drunk and I'll taze your balls. -Wedgie
Joined: 06.30.2006

Jan 5 @ 6:20 PM ET
so is this thread no longer a free for all like it was at one point?
- Nucker101


Systemtool completely broke Doppelganger and seriously damaged Spazzo. The thread has not been the same since.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's so easy to just not say stupid things on the internet.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jan 5 @ 6:22 PM ET
Systemtool completely broke Doppelganger and seriously damaged Spazzo. The thread has not been the same since.
- Aetherial

i love that is sounds like a robot fight.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 6 @ 9:17 AM ET
Systemtool completely broke Doppelganger and seriously damaged Spazzo. The thread has not been the same since.
- Aetherial


I think it has more to do with the Sens being a disaster. They won't even show their faces anymore.

It's gotten THAT bad. It got to the point they wouldn't talk about Sens wins (there werent enough), and they would just show their faces with a Leafs loss, but it's gotten so bad, they just refuse to show their faces at all.
BINGO!
Carolina Hurricanes
Location: I'll always remember the last words my grandfather ever told me. He said, "A Truck!", SK
Joined: 09.21.2009

Jan 6 @ 9:42 AM ET
sens, imo
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Jan 6 @ 12:34 PM ET
sens, imo
- BINGO!


Not an opinion… prock confirmed it with his fancy stats.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 6 @ 1:04 PM ET
Not an opinion… prock confirmed it with his fancy stats.
- bloatedmosquito



which stats are those?
senstroll
Location: New Fan, Needs to watch Ballet, ON
Joined: 02.22.2008

Jan 6 @ 3:04 PM ET
sens, imo
- BINGO!


winning 9 games out of 30 is something..in a season where the rebuild is over and looking to turn the corner.


only one place to go right? cant get worse...can it?
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's so easy to just not say stupid things on the internet.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Jan 6 @ 3:12 PM ET
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 8 @ 11:19 AM ET
winning 9 games out of 30 is something..in a season where the rebuild is over and looking to turn the corner.


only one place to go right? cant get worse...can it?

- senstroll


According to Marc Methot, the Sens will be better next year, or the year after.

LOL

I dont see it as possible in a 4 or 5 year timeline, to be honest. They need a solid 2 or 3 more top picks/players, and then a couple of years for them to develop. So what is that, a 4 or 5 year timeline, with best case scenario, to catch the Leafs. Theyre basically several years away from being a playoff team, let alone competitive.

Again, IF all goes well.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Farchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jan 11 @ 10:25 AM ET
According to Marc Methot, the Sens will be better next year, or the year after.

LOL

I dont see it as possible in a 4 or 5 year timeline, to be honest. They need a solid 2 or 3 more top picks/players, and then a couple of years for them to develop. So what is that, a 4 or 5 year timeline, with best case scenario, to catch the Leafs. Theyre basically several years away from being a playoff team, let alone competitive.

Again, IF all goes well.

- prock


Not sure if they are several years away from being a playoff team. The Sens biggest issues are really bad goaltending and an inability to hang on to talent when the talent reaches UFA status. Short window of opportunity. Goaltending issue is a matter of luck and ability to pay for that position. Bad signings like the Matt Murray signing will haunt a franchise for a long time.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 11 @ 12:34 PM ET
Not sure if they are several years away from being a playoff team. The Sens biggest issues are really bad goaltending and an inability to hang on to talent when the talent reaches UFA status. Short window of opportunity. Goaltending issue is a matter of luck and ability to pay for that position. Bad signings like the Matt Murray signing will haunt a franchise for a long time.
- winsix


I dont care what their biggest problem is, they have issues at every position.

Their defense is pretty bad. outside of Thomas Chabot, are any of them NHL caliber? Zaitsev was decent second/third pairing at one time, but I think that time has passed. I admittedly dont know much of Artem Zub. Nohting else there even resembles NHL caliber. That needs a few players to sort out. that doesnt happen in one offseason.

Zero high end centres.

Their forwards, they have a couple of decent guys, but nothing spectacular. Brady Tkachuk is okay, but hasnt really shown himself to be much more than a 60 point player with grit. Stutzle hasnt developed yet either..... I dont see either of them with 80 point potential. Stutzle maybe an outside shot. Then what? The rest is a collection of middling prospects and young players. Nothing high end. And even their high end guys arent elite like the Leafs 4 guys.

And there is no goaltending.

They need some high end talent at every position to be a top team, and quite frankly at least 2 or 3 more players in general just to be a playoff team. There is a good reason theyre basement dwellers. Theyre a mess.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Farchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jan 12 @ 4:37 PM ET
I dont care what their biggest problem is, they have issues at every position.

Their defense is pretty bad. outside of Thomas Chabot, are any of them NHL caliber? Zaitsev was decent second/third pairing at one time, but I think that time has passed. I admittedly dont know much of Artem Zub. Nohting else there even resembles NHL caliber. That needs a few players to sort out. that doesnt happen in one offseason.

Zero high end centres.

Their forwards, they have a couple of decent guys, but nothing spectacular. Brady Tkachuk is okay, but hasnt really shown himself to be much more than a 60 point player with grit. Stutzle hasnt developed yet either..... I dont see either of them with 80 point potential. Stutzle maybe an outside shot. Then what? The rest is a collection of middling prospects and young players. Nothing high end. And even their high end guys arent elite like the Leafs 4 guys.

And there is no goaltending.

They need some high end talent at every position to be a top team, and quite frankly at least 2 or 3 more players in general just to be a playoff team. There is a good reason theyre basement dwellers. Theyre a mess.

- prock



IMO they need to clean house more than they need high end talent. Vancouver was going nowhere fast cleaned house, got a decent coach and they could make the playoffs now. For Ottawa the coach the GM, Pierre McGuire and the owner all need to be gone. Buffalo has had all kinds of talent in and out the door over the last 10 years, but are a cluster(frank) of a team because of incompetent ownership and management.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 13 @ 8:26 AM ET
IMO they need to clean house more than they need high end talent. Vancouver was going nowhere fast cleaned house, got a decent coach and they could make the playoffs now. For Ottawa the coach the GM, Pierre McGuire and the owner all need to be gone. Buffalo has had all kinds of talent in and out the door over the last 10 years, but are a cluster(frank) of a team because of incompetent ownership and management.
- winsix



These sens fans dolts have been yapping about melnyk selling the team for many years. Hes not going anywhere
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Farchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jan 16 @ 7:16 PM ET
These sens fans dolts have been yapping about melnyk selling the team for many years. Hes not going anywhere
- prock


He's a terrible owner, the market could be the bigger problem. Ottawa has never showed the support a financially successful NHL team needs. Selling TV rights would require demand which would be very limited.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Farchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jan 21 @ 2:07 PM ET
winning 9 games out of 30 is something..in a season where the rebuild is over and looking to turn the corner.


only one place to go right? cant get worse...can it?

- senstroll


https://www.hockeybuzz.co...143287&page=last#22047934
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Jan 21 @ 2:13 PM ET
the Leafs blow a lead and they still wont show their faces because the sens are so horrible.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Farchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Jan 29 @ 12:24 PM ET
the Leafs blow a lead and they still wont show their faces because the sens are so horrible.
- prock

D0PPELGANGER
Ottawa Senators
Location: Ottawa, ON
Joined: 05.06.2015

Feb 2 @ 11:52 AM ET


sorry for being one day late, but Yesterday officially mark 20,000 days since the toronto maple leafs last made an appearance in the the Stanley Cup finals.
kicksave856
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: it's so easy to just not say stupid things on the internet.
Joined: 09.29.2005

Feb 2 @ 11:57 AM ET


sorry for being one day late, but Yesterday officially mark 20,000 days since the toronto maple leafs last made an appearance in the the Stanley Cup finals.

- D0PPELGANGER

https://www.hockeybuzz.co...hp?thread_id=57175&page=2
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 2 @ 2:17 PM ET

sorry for being one day late, but Yesterday officially mark 20,000 days since the toronto maple leafs last made an appearance in the the Stanley Cup finals.

- D0PPELGANGER



Days since the ottawa senators have won the cup = infinity.

Cool, somehow, they won't win the cup (for at least the next 5 years, probably much longer at this pace), but the days since they've won the cup will remain the same.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Feb 3 @ 10:12 AM ET
Days since the ottawa senators have won the cup = infinity.

Cool, somehow, they won't win the cup (for at least the next 5 years, probably much longer at this pace), but the days since they've won the cup will remain the same.

- prock


Except for 1927 of course, forty years before the leafs last cup.
prock
Vegas Golden Knights
Location: Bobby Ryan + 1st rounder for Clarkson, ON
Joined: 08.30.2007

Feb 3 @ 10:36 AM ET
Except for 1927 of course, forty years before the leafs last cup.
- bloatedmosquito


uhh, that wasn't the same team. that ottawa team moved to St Louis.
winsix
Season Ticket Holder
Toronto Maple Leafs
Location: Henry Hudson's Farchild 24 South Porcupine
Joined: 04.03.2016

Feb 3 @ 5:31 PM ET


sorry for being one day late, but Yesterday officially mark 20,000 days since the toronto maple leafs last made an appearance in the the Stanley Cup finals.

- D0PPELGANGER


Glad you're still alive, been hiding for some time. Its the first week of February and the Sens, Nucks and Habs are all out of the playoff picture. Imagine trolling the Leafs when the Sens are 29 points back of them halfway through the season.
bloatedmosquito
Vancouver Canucks
Location: I’m a dose of reality in this cesspool of glee
Joined: 10.22.2011

Feb 3 @ 9:38 PM ET
uhh, that wasn't the same team. that ottawa team moved to St Louis.
- prock


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