There is no negativity. You just don’t like what I say.

Keep drinking the kool aid as it is very amusing.

What year you have the Flyers contending for the cup?
- furio16

What you say has no bearing on how I feel about the Flyers. I’m almost 60 years old, I’ve been watching this team for a long time, it hasn’t always been perfect, or even good, obviously, but I’m looking forward to better things and I like what Briere is doing.

Also, I don’t put a timeline on this, as I said a few days ago, Florida won 11 years after they drafted Barkov, Washington 14 years after they drafted Ovechkin, it’s just a continual ongoing process, but they’ve gotta start somewhere.

I’m hopeful.

Is this satire? A joke? Every team has 5-10 players that compete for spots in these tournaments. Every team would be thrilled if 1or 2 ever make their nhl team. Teams have 50 players under control. So 60% or more never even get a sniff at making big club. Knowledgeable hockey fans know this and aren’t wetting pants from list.


What is exciting is blue chip players in system. Of which flyers have 1. And only 1. Martone it’s as simple as that.
- Stayin alive

It’s an exciting time to be a Flyers fan, I agree.

Looking up to where? Maybe competing for a playoff spot in a few years? Oh. Exciting. Db can’t go fast enough imo. Another nepo hire that proved incompetent
- Stayin alive

Things are going in a positive direction, in my opinion, building through the draft is the way you win in todays league.

All those guys project to be 3rd/4th liners. Projections are just that, I get it. Do you have faith in the Flyers development in getting them to be anything more than that?

If those guys you mention (outside of MM and Martone) are part of the nucleus then the Flyers are going nowhere fast. Unless one of them just explode and exceed all expectations. They will end up being support/depth players. Which is fine if you have the top end talent. Of which the Flyers do not.
- furio16

3rd line ? Says you….lol…I think people knocking the Nesbitt pick haven’t seen this kid play. Which is fine but I think they have some solid prospects and to me that’s where it starts…could they all flop? That’s a pessimistic way to view it. Developing some of these kids is key to any success in DB’s plan…but it was always going to be that way. Any rebuild needs solid drafts, solid prospects and solid development…now we’ll see.

No 1c1/d in system. If all these drafted players hit ceiling I do do see an unlikely but possible path to cup.

1) sign Kaprizov and roll with kap/mm and roster full of good 2nd tier players through the roster and add a top 10 goalie.

That would surely burn the cap space and very unlikely to happen but to be fair I do see a path. Howerever unlikely. Other than that I don’t. 1c/1d don’t hit free agency nowadays and it’s hilly clearly doesn’t draft them
- Stayin alive

I’m not ready to say they don’t have a number 1 D or a number 1 C…I don’t see super stars, per se, but I see some really good prospects. You have to hope some of these kids develop into top 6 forwards and solid top pairing dmen….i think they do have some prospects that can get to the levels this team needs….

3rd line ? Says you….lol…I think people knocking the Nesbitt pick haven’t seen this kid play. Which is fine but I think they have some solid prospects and to me that’s where it starts…could they all flop? That’s a pessimistic way to view it. Developing some of these kids is key to any success in DB’s plan…but it was always going to be that way. Any rebuild needs solid drafts, solid prospects and solid development…now we’ll see.
- landros 2

What a rebuild needs is top end elite talent. Of which michkov is and fell into flyers laps. Good. Db has had 3 draft and landed no other elite talent.
Not through draft
Not through trade
Not through free agency.

Those are facts not opinion.
I mean how long as a leash does he get? IMO he should’ve been gone by now. Along with the triumvirate idea. Yes he has made a few decent moves. But the fact they lied about a rebuild or proved incompetent has been proved by their actions. Why does anyone think he’s new plan they are stating will work or believe them?

Like I always say…. It’s easier to believe the lie than face the truth

I’m not ready to say they don’t have a number 1 D or a number 1 C…I don’t see super stars, per se, but I see some really good prospects. You have to hope some of these kids develop into top 6 forwards and solid top pairing dmen….i think they do have some prospects that can get to the levels this team needs….
- landros 2

Hope in 1 hand and poop in another and see what one fills faster.

Maybe instead of always hoping for the most basic things we hire a real gm and do what’s necessary to obtain these building blocks instead of “hope”.

The 1d went off the board last year in buium. Had they drafted him and taken hagens this year you have a better shot at 1c/1d combo.

Instead as you said they have hopefully 2c luch and maybe whatever in Nesbitt and a winger(martone)

See how this compounds draft after draft?

Same mistakes by a team with no real plan to rebuild or competency to do so
- Stayin alive

Not sure on Buium….he does look like a really good young D man….but I don’t see Hagens as much different then Zegras type skill….Martone, to me was an easy pick over him. You can’t draft for position that high in the draft and I was extremely happy the Flyers didn’t make that mistake and made the proper pick in Martone.

Okay we will play the what if game.
Assuming buium and Hagens don’t hit ceiling. Fine. What are their floors? When drafting you don’t know the future you are correct. So let’s also assume their floor is 2c and just top 4 dman. Ok is that not much better than what they ACTUALLY drafted when passing those players up? Maybe you can say martone as a top line winger but aren’t you also then assuming his ceiling when drafting him and not his floor? What’s more valuable post? Center or wing? For Philly to come out ahead martone HAS to be a top almost elite winger while also hagens be a bottom tier 2c right? Is that likely with the consensus of draft experts and scouts? Wouldn’t luch have to hit at minimum a great 2c to make the pick over buium right even if buium floor is reached as a top 4 dman even if not top pair?

It’s ok to say these non drafted players might not be better but that’s assuming ceiling for the actual drafted players. And case after case the experts and scouts were proved right and flyers wrong.

See caulfield and York. A perfect example of Philly does not know better. Yes teams make mistakes but Philly tries to buck the trend time and time again and yet the results simply aren’t there.
- Stayin alive

I wanted them to draft Buium over Luckanko and I threw my shoe at the TV when Chuckles drafted York over Caulfield, so I'm not entirely disagreeing. And no, I don't like when they think that they are the smartest kid in class and buck the trend for the sake of bucking. Chuckles was a fool. That being said, there is a reason Hagens fell dramatically in the draft and I wasn't overly impressed with the games that I saw him play with BC. Dare I say, he reminded me a bit of our buddy Frosty. Looked disengaged and timid. We shall see how the Nesbitt pick works out, but I do have concerns with the fact that these guys always seem to come with a tag that they need to work on their skating. I just can't go full negative all the time for the only Philly team that I root for. It's exhausting being that negative all the time.

What a rebuild needs is top end elite talent. Of which michkov is and fell into flyers laps. Good. Db has had 3 draft and landed no other elite talent.
Not through draft
Not through trade
Not through free agency.

Those are facts not opinion.
I mean how long as a leash does he get? IMO he should’ve been gone by now. Along with the triumvirate idea. Yes he has made a few decent moves. But the fact they lied about a rebuild or proved incompetent has been proved by their actions. Why does anyone think he’s new plan they are stating will work or believe them?

Like I always say…. It’s easier to believe the lie than face the truth
- Stayin alive

This begs to question. How many ELITE players were available in the last 3 drafts? This is where you can go down a slippery slope as far as what players you consider to be elite.

What a rebuild needs is top end elite talent. Of which michkov is and fell into flyers laps. Good. Db has had 3 draft and landed no other elite talent.
Not through draft
Not through trade
Not through free agency.

Those are facts not opinion.
I mean how long as a leash does he get? IMO he should’ve been gone by now. Along with the triumvirate idea. Yes he has made a few decent moves. But the fact they lied about a rebuild or proved incompetent has been proved by their actions. Why does anyone think he’s new plan they are stating will work or believe them?

Like I always say…. It’s easier to believe the lie than face the truth
- Stayin alive

I think along with Michkov they got a kid in Martone that has star potential….again other than those two they have drafted some intriguing prospects. That’s my opinion. To say drafting 18 year olds is based in fact rather than opinions is silly. Am I sold on DB’s over all plan…not really. I’m still on the fence. I’ve seen some decent moves, a couple of missteps…we’ll see what this year brings and how some of these kids develop.

There is no negativity. You just don’t like what I say.

Keep drinking the kool aid as it is very amusing.

What year you have the Flyers contending for the cup?
- furio16

2028!!! They will be a Cup contender or I will be severely disappointed and looking for some answers!!! Yes, you heard it here first! Scoff as you wish, but the potential is there.

I wanted them to draft Buium over Luckanko and I threw my shoe at the TV when Chuckles drafted York over Caulfield, so I'm not entirely disagreeing. And no, I don't like when they think that they are the smartest kid in class and buck the trend for the sake of bucking. Chuckles was a fool. That being said, there is a reason Hagens fell dramatically in the draft and I wasn't overly impressed with the games that I saw him play with BC. Dare I say, he reminded me a bit of our buddy Frosty. Looked disengaged and timid. We shall see how the Nesbitt pick works out, but I do have concerns with the fact that these guys always seem to come with a tag that they need to work on their skating. I just can't go full negative all the time for the only Philly team that I root for. It's exhausting being that negative all the time.
- Phillywhiteout

Personally I see hagens “drop” as ridiculous. To be fair he is on the smaller size and being young and playing college age men yeah he didn’t dominate like he was in jr’s. But he still had a really good year. It’s not like he sucked. Had he went back to jr’s and dominated would he have dropped? Probably not. People tend to not think about that. It’s the same as when martone goes to college this season if he doesn’t dominate. And again hagens is younger.

RFA:
Zegras
Ersson
Zamula
Brink
Drysdale

Now they may not keep all of them. MM also eligible for an extension as well I believe. Assuming he wants to sign early.
- furio16

The cap is supposed to go up to 107 million next year from 95 million, and then up to 113 million the following season. Look at the guys you listed. Four out of those 5 could be shown the door or traded. Zamula? Who cares!! Brink could be part of a package in a trade, and Drysdale and Ersson better get their $hit together or they will be gone too. Zegras? Who knows?

This begs to question. How many ELITE players were available in the last 3 drafts? This is where you can go down a slippery slope as far as what players you consider to be elite.
- Phillywhiteout

At the top of each draft is a group deemed most likely to be really good. Last year it was 6 dmen. This year it was 5 forwards.

Will it be 100% ? Obviously no. But the one team in league that continues to get head scratching reviews from draft is flyers. At least as of last decade or so. Who has Philly drafted that was highly criticized as dumb or probably wrong that flyers have proven wrong? In last 5 or so years? I can’t think of any. That’s bad. Really bad. It’s not even an elite thing. It’s top end talent too. See caulfield vs
York. They just don’t get the benefit of the doubt anymore. Chuck lost it really really fast and so did briere.

Me personally I gave them the benefit at first. Honestly you one strike with me. You (frank) up 2nd time you’re done imo.

You can’t screw the pooch time and time again it just pushes a real cup building team back double the time if not more

I’m not ready to say they don’t have a number 1 D or a number 1 C…I don’t see super stars, per se, but I see some really good prospects. You have to hope some of these kids develop into top 6 forwards and solid top pairing dmen….i think they do have some prospects that can get to the levels this team needs….
- landros 2

Can it happen? Yes. Is it likely? No. Would other picks had better chance? According to scouts and experts yes.

There in lies the problem. Time after time flyers are proven wrong. What’s the goal here? The end game? If it’s just entertain me and make playoffs then fine briere may be on an achieving path. If it’s a cup building team he’s flown the coop.

The cap is supposed to go up to 107 million next year from 95 million, and then up to 113 million the following season. Look at the guys you listed. Four out of those 5 could be shown the door or traded. Zamula? Who cares!! Brink could be part of a package in a trade, and Drysdale and Ersson better get their $hit together or they will be gone too. Zegras? Who knows?
- Phillywhiteout

They have roughly 32 million in cap space. Ok say you rid those 5 players. Now you have 5 more roster spots to fill on top of trying to find 1c/1d/1g. Say you somehow get those 3 players… is 32 million enough to pay those players ? Cap goes up salary goes up. Everyone gonna have money to spend. Look at the list of free agents and dream for a second and predict how much they gonna get. Is 32 million enough?

Now try to fill roster with no cap even if you somehow land these 3 stars. Now figure in michkov extension for following years.

Now if martone is good in a few years figure him in.

This team isn’t just a few stars away from cup contention.

Since I’m in a good mood I’ll play along with the fans that have pipe dreams of this team being good or playoffs and all the other delusional thoughts.

Here’s my ridiculous hope… I want Kaprizov to test free agency and Philly to land him. Just to see him and michkov play together. I wouldn’t even care if they won a cup. I think it would be amazing entertainment those 2 playing on same team.

One can dream

They have roughly 32 million in cap space. Ok say you rid those 5 players. Now you have 5 more roster spots to fill on top of trying to find 1c/1d/1g. Say you somehow get those 3 players… is 32 million enough to pay those players ? Cap goes up salary goes up. Everyone gonna have money to spend. Look at the list of free agents and dream for a second and predict how much they gonna get. Is 32 million enough?

Now try to fill roster with no cap even if you somehow land these 3 stars. Now figure in michkov extension for following years.

Now if martone is good in a few years figure him in.

This team isn’t just a few stars away from cup contention.
- Stayin alive

You're basing everything off of them having 32 million in cap space. Who knows if that will actually be the case. I'm hoping (foolishly?) that they will have the ability to make a few hockey trades. Perhaps trade from a position of strength (wing) to fill a position of weakness (center or defense). The trade market seems to be more active with the cap space going up and I'm hoping these guys can pull off a big trade or two. I don't have lots of hope for them landing a big name free agent, but perhaps with Tocchet being the coach (players like him and he was just named asst. coach of team Canada) they can surprise us. I'm just not ready to pull the rug out from this relatively new regime just yet, since Chuckles left them in shambles. I wanna see what this roster looks like a year from now.

You're basing everything off of them having 32 million in cap space. Who knows if that will actually be the case. I'm hoping (foolishly?) that they will have the ability to make a few hockey trades. Perhaps trade from a position of strength (wing) to fill a position of weakness (center or defense). The trade market seems to be more active with the cap space going up and I'm hoping these guys can pull off a big trade or two. I don't have lots of hope for them landing a big name free agent, but perhaps with Tocchet being the coach (players like him and he was just named asst. coach of team Canada) they can surprise us. I'm just not ready to pull the rug out from this relatively new regime just yet, since Chuckles left them in shambles. I wanna see what this roster looks like a year from now.
- Phillywhiteout

Cap was announced already they have 32 million in space. No one is trading really good players for what Philly has outside mm martone who aren’t getting traded.

Chuck left them in position to do fine. This regime messed up from day 1.
Tip 8 years
Seeler 4 years
Tk 8 years
Trades cutter for jd
Messes up drafts
Etc etc etc

Leafs board talking about a rumored trade for Tippett:

Max Domi, Nick Robertson, prospect Ben Danford, and a 2028 first-round pick

What you say has no bearing on how I feel about the Flyers. I’m almost 60 years old, I’ve been watching this team for a long time, it hasn’t always been perfect, or even good, obviously, but I’m looking forward to better things and I like what Briere is doing.

Also, I don’t put a timeline on this, as I said a few days ago, Florida won 11 years after they drafted Barkov, Washington 14 years after they drafted Ovechkin, it’s just a continual ongoing process, but they’ve gotta start somewhere.

I’m hopeful.
- Dave21Brown

You liked what Hextall was doing. Same with Chuck, now Briere. You will say the same for whoever replaces Briere.

Looking forward to the Flyers winning a cup in 9 years.

3rd line ? Says you….lol…I think people knocking the Nesbitt pick haven’t seen this kid play. Which is fine but I think they have some solid prospects and to me that’s where it starts…could they all flop? That’s a pessimistic way to view it. Developing some of these kids is key to any success in DB’s plan…but it was always going to be that way. Any rebuild needs solid drafts, solid prospects and solid development…now we’ll see.
- landros 2

Says me? No. Says the majority of reputable draft publications and draft people. Solid prospects is not going to cut it. Every NHL team has solid prospects.

I’m not ready to say they don’t have a number 1 D or a number 1 C…I don’t see super stars, per se, but I see some really good prospects. You have to hope some of these kids develop into top 6 forwards and solid top pairing dmen….i think they do have some prospects that can get to the levels this team needs….
- landros 2

Who do you think has potential to be a #1 center or #1 Defensemen in the system.

Flyers been hoping for decades. Hope doesn't work.

2028!!! They will be a Cup contender or I will be severely disappointed and looking for some answers!!! Yes, you heard it here first! Scoff as you wish, but the potential is there.
- Phillywhiteout

No #1 defender, or #1 center, or #1 goalie. Yes that potential is there 100%.

Do you or other Flyers fans look at other teams rosters and prospects in their system?