Rehashing past mistakes?? Torts is gone, yet he lives on in your brain apparently. Who hired Torts? That was an obvious mistake. You don't hire him for a rebuild and that was a fopa, but he is gone. Let it go! Thanks! Again, do you want Danny to come and say we wanna MISS the playoffs from here on out. What do you expect. You want them to ice the bad news bears of ice hockey and it ain't gonna happen. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout

keep slurpin, putz

During this “rebuild” they have yet to find a #1 center, #1 defensemen, and #1 goalie as of today. The last 3 drafts that Briere has been running do you see any of those in the players he drafted?

Hell do they even have a #2 defensemen and #2 center in that group he drafted? Now they will have to wait a few years to see how the last 2 drafts pan out. On the surface drafting guys with bottom of the lineup potential will not cut it.
- furio16

I only watch because I absolutely love watching michkov. Been watching his games for a few years. I laugh at all the rest. Even funnier is the fanbase

I like Luchanko….i was able to see a bunch of his games last year. Guelph sucked, but he was easily the best player on the ice for both teams in the games I watched. I really liked their draft this year. Martone has “star” type qualities and Nesbitt is only starting to scratch the surface. All their 2nd rnd picks in this past draft really have a chance to be very good NHL players.
I also believe Bonk will be a top 4, quality D man…so ya I am some what optimistic. Throw in Alex Bump, and include Michkov. To me it’s the start of a pretty good young Nucleus. I’m not suggesting dynasty, lol, but I do see some reasons to be a bit more excited then I have been for quite a while.
- landros 2

No 1c1/d in system. If all these drafted players hit ceiling I do do see an unlikely but possible path to cup.

1) sign Kaprizov and roll with kap/mm and roster full of good 2nd tier players through the roster and add a top 10 goalie.

That would surely burn the cap space and very unlikely to happen but to be fair I do see a path. Howerever unlikely. Other than that I don’t. 1c/1d don’t hit free agency nowadays and it’s hilly clearly doesn’t draft them

Rehashing past mistakes?? Torts is gone, yet he lives on in your brain apparently. Who hired Torts? That was an obvious mistake. You don't hire him for a rebuild and that was a fopa, but he is gone. Let it go! Thanks! Again, do you want Danny to come and say we wanna MISS the playoffs from here on out. What do you expect. You want them to ice the bad news bears of ice hockey and it ain't gonna happen. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout

Slow your roll there. Whiskey asked the question and Torts was relevant to the response. According to some people, DB had the ability to fire Torts at any time so last year's disaster is on DB. Just like when people are tired of hearing about Clarke/Holmgren being involved in the Flyers decisions when factually they were instrumental in Torts hiring.

The truth may suck and you may not want to be wrong yet again but here we are.

The time to embrace the rebuild was when Chuck got fired but instead the fans got lip service while they tried to retool on the fly and handed out multiple 8 year contracts to forwards and no movement clauses to 3rd pair defensemen.

Now he's screwed if they want to be in position to draft whoever is supposed to be #1 next year. His grace period as GM is over and he wasted it on propping up Torts ambitions (who only cared about his legacy, never about rebuilding). He pretty much admitted it there at the end while trying to publicly get fired.

I think the fans would've embraced the chance to get a team cornerstone for the next decade +. People don't care that PIT tanked for Lemeiux and then Crosby, all they care about are the banners on the ceiling. That is so much harder to get than drafting for depth wouldn't you agree? As it is they only have a chance to continue to embrace mediocrity and Gritty.

The best DB can do is string people along for another year or 2 and then get moved to senior advisor because he can't/won't make the tough decisions. Firing Torts at the end of the season when he was publicly poopting on the Flyers was not a tough decision, even then DB was looking for any way to keep him.

Nesbitt and Luchanko both could turn into #2 type centers. I was happy they got Martone, as to me, he was the best forward in the draft. A number one center would be ideal, but I’m not sure this past draft even had one. The number one D man went off the board at #1.
- landros 2

The 1d went off the board last year in buium. Had they drafted him and taken hagens this year you have a better shot at 1c/1d combo.

Instead as you said they have hopefully 2c luch and maybe whatever in Nesbitt and a winger(martone)

See how this compounds draft after draft?

Same mistakes by a team with no real plan to rebuild or competency to do so

lol .. you are worse than MJL.

Tippet 8 yr contract. One dimensional player
Nick Seeler 4yr contract/2 yr no movement clause for 3rd pair dman who should've been traded.
Luchanko over Buium
Bonk over Perrault
The Luchanko fiasco at the beginning of last season
The York fiasco at the beginning of last season
The Torts dumpster fire that started day 1 of last season and lasted until he was fired at the end of the season.
The Flyers were a laughing stock early in the season as Torts did a record number of line changes while playing short handed defensively because they wouldn't call York up and left Jett in the press box.
How they handled Kolosov
How they bribed Fedotov with that contract and were beholden to him after he came over.

2024 - “Hopefully we can keep it rolling in getting to the playoffs,” Briere said on Thursday. “Now that’s the goal from now on, for me personally. … ”

Cutter Gauthier scorched earth campaign
not properly evaluating Drysdale before the trade because Torts doesn't believe in systems.
punishing York for Torts being an ass (just before Torts got fired).

No #1 center in the system (after 3 drafts)
No #1 d in the system (after 3 drafts)

None of these are news to you, hell some were earlier in this thread, so why are you being a jackass and asking for a recap?

This was never a rebuild, at best it was a retool with a limited budget due to all the long term contracts. The Flyers never wanted to be in a position to draft Martone. They would've been happier drafting 12th overall again.

They were actively trying to make the playoffs. They are just so bad at their jobs that they got the high draft pick.

This is one reason why people leave this site. You go over what management is doing wrong and the next day someone asks what are they doing wrong, please explain in detail. The next day, please explain again in detail.
- Flyers_01

(frank) me!!! I might print this out and frame it lmao. There so much when I try to give examples they just jumble in my mind. Lmao. This might be the best listing I’ve seen. And it’s not even complete Lmmfao

Rehashing past mistakes?? Torts is gone, yet he lives on in your brain apparently. Who hired Torts? That was an obvious mistake. You don't hire him for a rebuild and that was a fopa, but he is gone. Let it go! Thanks! Again, do you want Danny to come and say we wanna MISS the playoffs from here on out. What do you expect. You want them to ice the bad news bears of ice hockey and it ain't gonna happen. Thanks again!
- Phillywhiteout

Yeah that’s EXACTLY what I want the gm to come in and say. And then say we are gonna build the right way around this group of recently drafted players. And (frank)ing trade all the older players cut the damn cord. Because that’s what rebuilding teams do. They don’t aim for middling.

(frank) me!!! I might print this out and frame it lmao. There so much when I try to give examples they just jumble in my mind. Lmao. This might be the best listing I’ve seen. And it’s not even complete Lmmfao
- Stayin alive

Yea other than the quote it was just off the top of my head so i know i missed plenty but man the I think some people think DB/Jonesy walk on water.

Who predicted that they were gonna move into the top 3? That rarely happens in today's NHL. Teams hold onto their top 5 picks like they are their first born.
- Phillywhiteout

Forget moving into top 3 they did something worse… trading 22/31 for Nesbitt was stupid. Even if Nesbitt hits a ceiling of 2/c where you play him? What if luch is a 2/c? One gets bumped right? Why not keep the 2 lottery picks and try to fill out more roster? Could’ve gotten top goalie prospect perhaps at 22? Or whatever. Could’ve moved around draft board? Traded one for a pick higher next year? Many option right

Yea other than the quote it was just off the top of my head so i know i missed plenty but man the I think some people think DB/Jonesy walk on water.
- Flyers_01

Yep 100% agree. I hate to say it as a fan of the flyers but the fanbase is at least 75% low hockey iq slurp slaves. And the media too. poop even bill has turned full on homer. Not that I blame the media because why not spew the company line and get payed. The fanbase just laps it up.

[quote=Stayin alive]K you asked for it… they state they are rebuilding. They state they need high end talent. State they need a 1c and 1d

1) tries like hell to resign ej
2) gives out term to players like SEELER
3) doesn’t trade players like laughts Seeler rp nd etc. etc etc trying to make playoffs
4) signs turning 29 year good not great player (tk) to 8 year extension instead of trading for a haul
5) in a deep d draft (6 top dmen projected) passes on buium for a reach in Luchenko
6) passes on hagens

Do I need to go further. Their actions DIRECTLY go againgst what they said rebuild need high end talent need 1c/1d
5 first picks in last 2 years and came away what almost every pundit describes as 1 top end blue chip player. And to boot he’s a winger.

That’s a colossal failure for what they stated they were trying to do. It’s clear the plan now. It never was a rebuild it was bs the fan base and once they landed mm the idea came to be in 26 with cap room buy players.

2- while I prefer Seeler have been traded their is no proof the return or the cap (se next season cap space) used has hurt or would have helped the team in anyway.
3- Laughton was traded we have no idea if it would have been better prior, seems like a good deal for the Flyers
4. yeah trade TK, would have been ok with me, killing the franchise? we shall see, cap (see cap space next season) going up and up, the contract could age well and there should be another opportunity to trade him if need be, or his 8 mil could destroy the franchise.
5. Plenty of folks passed on Buium, agree off the board with Luchanko, time will tell
6. Seems they took BPA, the opposite of your issue on #5 but again time will tell.

Truth is the jury is still out, DB's picks and decisions are TBD. For sure there will be mistakes, all GM's make them. I would have preferred a full tear down but they finished 4th last season pretty torn down, by but they were never going to be as bad as the bottom 2 and 11 got the #1 pick. I think you can make a case that the Flyers sell at the deadline this coming season. I prefer that, a shot at the lottery. MM and goal tending will decide that, if MM takes and full step forward, Coots adds 15 points over last season (means PP is better) and goal tending does, could be best case (playoff run) and worse case scenario for the Flyers. They need another top 5 pick.

I have my opinions and you have yours, before you say facts again maybe reconsider, then if you still think some of this is fact, maybe google "people who think their opinions are facts".


When Hagans is better than Porter I will say it is a fact. When TK is weight on the team I'll say it is a fact. When Buium is a great D and Luchanko is a 3rd or 4th liner i will say it is a fact. When Seeler stops another D from playing or can't be traded I will say it is a fact.

I like the cap space next season, DB has been deliberate in saying they were focusing their attention there. I disagree with some of what DB has done. While I think he needed time to see Frost and Farabee, I think he waited to long and diminished their value. DB waited to long on Torts. Torts hurt the value of players and in my opinion would be a reason players did not want to come to Philly. I am an optimist and hope Luchanko and Porter are the right call but am open to he made a mistake. DB addressed size in the draft, probably played a part with Porter (though he seemed to be BPA). I do think Buium was partly due to size, belief in Jamie and Cam, again could be mistake. We shall see none are facts yet.

The 1d went off the board last year in buium. Had they drafted him and taken hagens this year you have a better shot at 1c/1d combo.

Instead as you said they have hopefully 2c luch and maybe whatever in Nesbitt and a winger(martone)

See how this compounds draft after draft?

Same mistakes by a team with no real plan to rebuild or competency to do so
- Stayin alive

This is where you crack me up. You have already anointed Buium and Hagens as #1 defender and #1 center. You really think that is etched in stone? Buium got a taste of the NHL and he was a healthy scratch after a couple of games. I saw some games that Hagens played at BC and he looked soft to me. He was also playing with two NHL level wingers. Would I have the Flyers rather drafted Buium? Yes!! However, he hasn't proven anything yet. I didn't have a problem with the Flyers passing on Hagens cause I don't think another soft center is what they needed after picking up Zegras.

This is where you crack me up. You have already anointed Buium and Hagens as #1 defender and #1 center. You really think that is etched in stone? Buium got a taste of the NHL and he was a healthy scratch after a couple of games. I saw some games that Hagens played at BC and he looked soft to me. He was also playing with two NHL level wingers. Would I have the Flyers rather drafted Buium? Yes!! However, he hasn't proven anything yet. I didn't have a problem with the Flyers passing on Hagens cause I don't think another soft center is what they needed after picking up Zegras.
- Phillywhiteout

Okay we will play the what if game.
Assuming buium and Hagens don’t hit ceiling. Fine. What are their floors? When drafting you don’t know the future you are correct. So let’s also assume their floor is 2c and just top 4 dman. Ok is that not much better than what they ACTUALLY drafted when passing those players up? Maybe you can say martone as a top line winger but aren’t you also then assuming his ceiling when drafting him and not his floor? What’s more valuable post? Center or wing? For Philly to come out ahead martone HAS to be a top almost elite winger while also hagens be a bottom tier 2c right? Is that likely with the consensus of draft experts and scouts? Wouldn’t luch have to hit at minimum a great 2c to make the pick over buium right even if buium floor is reached as a top 4 dman even if not top pair?

It’s ok to say these non drafted players might not be better but that’s assuming ceiling for the actual drafted players. And case after case the experts and scouts were proved right and flyers wrong.

See caulfield and York. A perfect example of Philly does not know better. Yes teams make mistakes but Philly tries to buck the trend time and time again and yet the results simply aren’t there.

[quote=Stayin alive]K you asked for it… they state they are rebuilding. They state they need high end talent. State they need a 1c and 1d

1) tries like hell to resign ej
2) gives out term to players like SEELER
3) doesn’t trade players like laughts Seeler rp nd etc. etc etc trying to make playoffs
4) signs turning 29 year good not great player (tk) to 8 year extension instead of trading for a haul
5) in a deep d draft (6 top dmen projected) passes on buium for a reach in Luchenko
6) passes on hagens

Do I need to go further. Their actions DIRECTLY go againgst what they said rebuild need high end talent need 1c/1d
5 first picks in last 2 years and came away what almost every pundit describes as 1 top end blue chip player. And to boot he’s a winger.

That’s a colossal failure for what they stated they were trying to do. It’s clear the plan now. It never was a rebuild it was bs the fan base and once they landed mm the idea came to be in 26 with cap room buy players.

2- while I prefer Seeler have been traded their is no proof the return or the cap (se next season cap space) used has hurt or would have helped the team in anyway.
3- Laughton was traded we have no idea if it would have been better prior, seems like a good deal for the Flyers
4. yeah trade TK, would have been ok with me, killing the franchise? we shall see, cap (see cap space next season) going up and up, the contract could age well and there should be another opportunity to trade him if need be, or his 8 mil could destroy the franchise.
5. Plenty of folks passed on Buium, agree off the board with Luchanko, time will tell
6. Seems they took BPA, the opposite of your issue on #5 but again time will tell.

Truth is the jury is still out, DB's picks and decisions are TBD. For sure there will be mistakes, all GM's make them. I would have preferred a full tear down but they finished 4th last season pretty torn down, by but they were never going to be as bad as the bottom 2 and 11 got the #1 pick. I think you can make a case that the Flyers sell at the deadline this coming season. I prefer that, a shot at the lottery. MM and goal tending will decide that, if MM takes and full step forward, Coots adds 15 points over last season (means PP is better) and goal tending does, could be best case (playoff run) and worse case scenario for the Flyers. They need another top 5 pick.

I have my opinions and you have yours, before you say facts again maybe reconsider, then if you still think some of this is fact, maybe google "people who think their opinions are facts".


When Hagans is better than Porter I will say it is a fact. When TK is weight on the team I'll say it is a fact. When Buium is a great D and Luchanko is a 3rd or 4th liner i will say it is a fact. When Seeler stops another D from playing or can't be traded I will say it is a fact.

I like the cap space next season, DB has been deliberate in saying they were focusing their attention there. I disagree with some of what DB has done. While I think he needed time to see Frost and Farabee, I think he waited to long and diminished their value. DB waited to long on Torts. Torts hurt the value of players and in my opinion would be a reason players did not want to come to Philly. I am an optimist and hope Luchanko and Porter are the right call but am open to he made a mistake. DB addressed size in the draft, probably played a part with Porter (though he seemed to be BPA). I do think Buium was partly due to size, belief in Jamie and Cam, again could be mistake. We shall see none are facts yet.
- wcorvette

Reread your last paragraph. First Philly bs fans with rebuild. And their actions weren’t of a rebuild OR they were so bad and incompetent you choose which…

Now the bs to fans is focusing on cap space for 26’ yep k. If cap goes up then why would teams not resign the best of the free agency crop? Think logically. If michkov was set to become free agent AND CAP IS GOING UP why in hell would philly NOT lock him up? In what world would they trade him or let him walk? Almost none right? Yes once in a blue moon a star player walks. See marner. But the odds of landing such player even with cap space is unlikely. I mean player can only go to 1 team and he is picking the team also. So there’s a double whammy there. The days of simply throwing money at players to build have been over for 30 years. Philly obviously still have not got the memo. They are the only team trying to build this way. Telling isn’t it?

Cap space next season is a myth. Sell at the deadline? Who they going to sell? They love rhe “core” of this team. They are not selling anything of note.

Flyers fans really are, as one said, low IQ hockey fans.

Cap space next season is a myth. Sell at the deadline? Who they going to sell? They love rhe “core” of this team. They are not selling anything of note.

Flyers fans really are, as one said, low IQ hockey fans.
- furio16

What amazes me is the cap space theory. Db spews it and fans believe it without thinking. 32 mill in cap space yes but need to sign own free agents and mm contract extension HAS to be accounted for moving forward. The cap isn’t going up 8 mil per year forever. Michkov is likely to get max term extension well into the 10+ mil per year. That alone eats a lot of cap space yet db and fans believe they can sign free agents or enough to cup contenders? Laughable

What amazes me is the cap space theory. Db spews it and fans believe it without thinking. 32 mill in cap space yes but need to sign own free agents and mm contract extension HAS to be accounted for moving forward. The cap isn’t going up 8 mil per year forever. Michkov is likely to get max term extension well into the 10+ mil per year. That alone eats a lot of cap space yet db and fans believe they can sign free agents or enough to cup contenders? Laughable
- Stayin alive

RFA:
Zegras
Ersson
Zamula
Brink
Drysdale

Now they may not keep all of them. MM also eligible for an extension as well I believe. Assuming he wants to sign early.

RFA:
Zegras
Ersson
Zamula
Brink
Drysdale

Now they may not keep all of them. MM also eligible for an extension as well I believe. Assuming he wants to sign early.
- furio16

Yeah that’s not good. If signing all I’d say around 20 mil for the 5. Mm extension wouldn’t affect next season but after. Leaving roughly 12 mil give or take. Well if a big name free agent were to sign you’d get 1. So does all that added up equal a path to cup contending team? Not even close imo.

Surely some other things could be moved around but needing top talent at multiple key positions I think it’s clear it’s extremely unlikely they can pull it off. And if they don’t resign those players and say add 2 huge name players taking up the majority of that cap space then you need to fill positions of players not resigned. So there goes that option.


We clearly see the need for top end cheap talent in pipeline. Or very young elite talent to lock up for cap certainty going forward. Well hopefully they lock up mm next season and team stinks again and draft high. Not that they pick the correct player but should at least get a talented player and the front office is fired in 2 season during year 5 of this farce and hope can be reset again that they’ll “get it”. Same ol cycle

"Several Philadelphia Flyers prospects are participating in the 2025 World Junior Summer Showcase. Flyers prospects Oliver Bonk, Denver Barkey, Jett Luchanko, Carson Bjarnason, and Carter Sotheran are representing Team Canada. Additionally, Jack Berglund is representing Team Sweden, and Heikki Ruohonen is representing Team Finland. Furthermore, Jack Murtagh and Shane Vansaghi were named to the USA Hockey roster for the showcase. The showcase serves as an early opportunity for these players to compete for roster spots on their respective national teams for the upcoming 2025 World Junior Championship."


A lot of good things happening with this organization right now, ever since Comcast cut Dave Scott (Bill Barber) loose, and then canning John Tortorella, GM Danny Briere is free to run the organization as he sees fit.

In his three drafts as GM he and his team have collected some really nice kids with potential. Next year might not be any different than last year but the team will work hard for Toc and I'm hopeful they finally put some effort into the development of these kids. Exciting time to be a Flyers fan!!

"Several Philadelphia Flyers prospects are participating in the 2025 World Junior Summer Showcase. Flyers prospects Oliver Bonk, Denver Barkey, Jett Luchanko, Carson Bjarnason, and Carter Sotheran are representing Team Canada. Additionally, Jack Berglund is representing Team Sweden, and Heikki Ruohonen is representing Team Finland. Furthermore, Jack Murtagh and Shane Vansaghi were named to the USA Hockey roster for the showcase. The showcase serves as an early opportunity for these players to compete for roster spots on their respective national teams for the upcoming 2025 World Junior Championship."


A lot of good things happening with this organization right now, ever since Comcast cut Dave Scott (Bill Barber) loose, and then canning John Tortorella, GM Danny Briere is free to run the organization as he sees fit.

In his three drafts as GM he and his team have collected some really nice kids with potential. Next year might not be any different than last year but the team will work hard for Toc and I'm hopeful they finally put some effort into the development of these kids. Exciting time to be a Flyers fan!!
- Dave21Brown

Is that you Dan Hilferty?

Southeran is no longer Flyers property.

Is that you Dan Hilferty?

Southeran is no longer Flyers property.
- furio16

Yeah, yeah, that was copy and pasted from an article, obviously. The point still stands, despite your negativity. Things are looking up for this organization after years of mismanagement, I'm excited about their future.

Yeah, yeah, that was copy and pasted from an article, obviously. The point still stands, despite your negativity. Things are looking up for this organization after years of mismanagement, I'm excited about their future.
- Dave21Brown

There is no negativity. You just don’t like what I say.

Keep drinking the kool aid as it is very amusing.

What year you have the Flyers contending for the cup?

"Several Philadelphia Flyers prospects are participating in the 2025 World Junior Summer Showcase. Flyers prospects Oliver Bonk, Denver Barkey, Jett Luchanko, Carson Bjarnason, and Carter Sotheran are representing Team Canada. Additionally, Jack Berglund is representing Team Sweden, and Heikki Ruohonen is representing Team Finland. Furthermore, Jack Murtagh and Shane Vansaghi were named to the USA Hockey roster for the showcase. The showcase serves as an early opportunity for these players to compete for roster spots on their respective national teams for the upcoming 2025 World Junior Championship."


A lot of good things happening with this organization right now, ever since Comcast cut Dave Scott (Bill Barber) loose, and then canning John Tortorella, GM Danny Briere is free to run the organization as he sees fit.

In his three drafts as GM he and his team have collected some really nice kids with potential. Next year might not be any different than last year but the team will work hard for Toc and I'm hopeful they finally put some effort into the development of these kids. Exciting time to be a Flyers fan!!
- Dave21Brown

Is this satire? A joke? Every team has 5-10 players that compete for spots in these tournaments. Every team would be thrilled if 1or 2 ever make their nhl team. Teams have 50 players under control. So 60% or more never even get a sniff at making big club. Knowledgeable hockey fans know this and aren’t wetting pants from list.


What is exciting is blue chip players in system. Of which flyers have 1. And only 1. Martone it’s as simple as that.

Yeah, yeah, that was copy and pasted from an article, obviously. The point still stands, despite your negativity. Things are looking up for this organization after years of mismanagement, I'm excited about their future.
- Dave21Brown

Looking up to where? Maybe competing for a playoff spot in a few years? Oh. Exciting. Db can’t go fast enough imo. Another nepo hire that proved incompetent

There is no negativity. You just don’t like what I say.

Keep drinking the kool aid as it is very amusing.

What year you have the Flyers contending for the cup?
- furio16

Ummmm never