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If you ignore the cap rising just based on the present economic climate, what do you think Knies is worth?

21 years old, 15 goals and 20 assists in 80 games.
22 years old, 29 goals and 29 assists in 78 games.

Just as a contractual comparison Nylander didn't score more goals than Knies in a season until he was 23 - but his point production at age 22 was similar. His contract, awarded in his age 22 season, but before he had surpassed 25 goals was basically 6 x $7m which, in present dollars is $7.75m.

With a projected rising cap, as you suggested, that could reasonably hit $9m over 8 years just based on percentages and projections. It would be nice if it remained lower but I'm pretty sure hockey agents also can do basic math!
- Monkeypunk

21 years old, 22 goals, 39 assists in 81 games.
22 years old, 20 goals, 41 assists in 82 games.

Those were the numbers for Nylander. Then he sat out for part of a season to get a 6 year deal. Better point totals, higher draft position and considered more offensive potential.

But I think the big difference is the 6 year part.

Knies and the Leafs could both benefit from a short term bridge deal rather than a long term deal. The reason being, the Leafs will have more cap space in the future to give him a bigger extension and Knies will hit UFA status faster.

If the Leafs want a long term deal that buys UFA years, the cap hit would be in the 8-9 range. But if the Leafs give him a shorter bridge deal, he can be a UFA faster and it gives the Leafs a lower cap hit.

If the Leafs sign Tavares for 3 years at 5 million and Knies at 3 years 6.5 million, when Tavares "retires", Knies can get his 11 million (if he earns it) with Tavares' money.

Yeah, I get that, it’s never been a place where a guy stuck around it seems, even after a long stint. Andreychuk is another.
- Dozzer

It's not like it used to be. The French Connection, the Dominator, etc. I actually saw the Sabres play their first ever exhibition game against the Rangers in Peterborough, back in the fall of 1970. Roger Crozier was their starting goaltender and Punch Imlach was their coach. Their captain? Floyd Smith.

21 years old, 22 goals, 39 assists in 81 games.
22 years old, 20 goals, 41 assists in 82 games.

Those were the numbers for Nylander. Then he sat out for part of a season to get a 6 year deal. Better point totals, higher draft position and considered more offensive potential.

But I think the big difference is the 6 year part.

Knies and the Leafs could both benefit from a short term bridge deal rather than a long term deal. The reason being, the Leafs will have more cap space in the future to give him a bigger extension and Knies will hit UFA status faster.

If the Leafs want a long term deal that buys UFA years, the cap hit would be in the 8-9 range. But if the Leafs give him a shorter bridge deal, he can be a UFA faster and it gives the Leafs a lower cap hit.

If the Leafs sign Tavares for 3 years at 5 million and Knies at 3 years 6.5 million, when Tavares "retires", Knies can get his 11 million (if he earns it) with Tavares' money.
- Rare_Jewel

Are you ready to gamble with the Leafs long range future? This guy could be the next Leafs Captain. You have to remember, Matthews only signed a 4 year extension, so he could easily walk in a couple of years. Best to get this guy locked in long term.

It's not like it used to be. The French Connection, the Dominator, etc. I actually saw the Sabres play their first ever exhibition game against the Rangers in Peterborough, back in the fall of 1970. Roger Crozier was their starting goaltender and Punch Imlach was their coach. Their captain? Floyd Smith.
- PrinceLH

And Floyd end up coaching them too right? I remember hearing that.

Are you ready to gamble with the Leafs long range future? This guy could be the next Leafs Captain. You have to remember, Matthews only signed a 4 year extension, so he could easily walk in a couple of years. Best to get this guy locked in long term.
- PrinceLH

Ah hell just give it to Nylander, the guy always takes the TTC so it’s a win win for the city lol

Maybe I missed it since I don't post often, but has Spats dropped by to congratulate us on our opening series win?
By saying that, perhaps he's out of town again.

Are you ready to gamble with the Leafs long range future? This guy could be the next Leafs Captain. You have to remember, Matthews only signed a 4 year extension, so he could easily walk in a couple of years. Best to get this guy locked in long term.
- PrinceLH

You might be over stating Knies' actual value.

He's a big boy, he plays with determination, he can score goals but you can never forget that Matthews is #2 in goals since 2016 and Marner is #6 in assists and they're both top two-way players. That's going to lead to some majorly inflated stats by being in a very, very cushy spot.

I've heard people compare him to Lindros. Actual people. Real human beings watch Knies and think "there's the next Lindros". Everybody thinking Knies is a budding superstar on his own merit has got to take a real big step back and realize this guy is not "the future superstar captain" of the Leafs.

Look how Dylan Cozens turned out for the Sabres after he got a huge deal after ONE 30 goal season. Ended up in Ottawa with declining stats every year. The "risk" goes both ways.

Knies is a very good player to have with very good potential but he's not in breaking the bank territory yet. He has 20 career playoff games, 6 goals, 10 points. Good player, not great. Not yet.

- Dozzer

This is the last year of the $14 million (USD) cap hit for Parise and Stickcheck Suter buyouts.
It drops quite a bit next year so the Wild can sign some veterans and THEN lose in the first round again.

You might be over stating Knies' actual value.

He's a big boy, he plays with determination, he can score goals but you can never forget that Matthews is #2 in goals since 2016 and Marner is #6 in assists and they're both top two-way players. That's going to lead to some majorly inflated stats by being in a very, very cushy spot.

I've heard people compare him to Lindros. Actual people. Real human beings watch Knies and think "there's the next Lindros". Everybody thinking Knies is a budding superstar on his own merit has got to take a real big step back and realize this guy is not "the future superstar captain" of the Leafs.

Look how Dylan Cozens turned out for the Sabres after he got a huge deal after ONE 30 goal season. Ended up in Ottawa with declining stats every year. The "risk" goes both ways.

Knies is a very good player to have with very good potential but he's not in breaking the bank territory yet. He has 20 career playoff games, 6 goals, 10 points. Good player, not great. Not yet.
- Rare_Jewel

Should we start Will game 1?

First time cutting patio stone....and with curves.

Mistakes were made but overall not bad.

Now its beer and a fire.

Lower back is killing me

21 years old, 22 goals, 39 assists in 81 games.
22 years old, 20 goals, 41 assists in 82 games.

Those were the numbers for Nylander. Then he sat out for part of a season to get a 6 year deal. Better point totals, higher draft position and considered more offensive potential.

But I think the big difference is the 6 year part.

Knies and the Leafs could both benefit from a short term bridge deal rather than a long term deal. The reason being, the Leafs will have more cap space in the future to give him a bigger extension and Knies will hit UFA status faster.

If the Leafs want a long term deal that buys UFA years, the cap hit would be in the 8-9 range. But if the Leafs give him a shorter bridge deal, he can be a UFA faster and it gives the Leafs a lower cap hit.

If the Leafs sign Tavares for 3 years at 5 million and Knies at 3 years 6.5 million, when Tavares "retires", Knies can get his 11 million (if he earns it) with Tavares' money.
- Rare_Jewel

You can't compare what Nylander got to what Knies could get. The biggest difference is what the cap was then to what the cap is now. 79 million vs 95 million, players will want higher % of it.

- Dozzer

They've had 15 mil in dead cap for like 4 of those...

Core 4 in games 5, 6 and 7 from 2019 to 2024:

Nylander: 16 GP, 6G, 7A, 13 points.
Matthews: 14 GP, 6G, 4A, 10 points.
Tavares: 13 GP, 5G, 5A, 10 points.
Marner: 16 GP, 0G, 5A, 5 points.

And yet here we are with people mind blown confused why Marner gets criticized.

Look at Matthews look at Willy blah blah. Dude, Marner now has 0 goals in 19 games that matter of a playoff series, and a handful of apples. That's worth locking up long term at top 10 money in the league?

Core 4 in games 5, 6 and 7 from 2019 to 2024:

Nylander: 16 GP, 6G, 7A, 13 points.
Matthews: 14 GP, 6G, 4A, 10 points.
Tavares: 13 GP, 5G, 5A, 10 points.
Marner: 16 GP, 0G, 5A, 5 points.

And yet here we are with people mind blown confused why Marner gets criticized.

Look at Matthews look at Willy blah blah. Dude, Marner now has 0 goals in 19 games that matter of a playoff series, and a handful of apples. That's worth locking up long term at top 10 money in the league?
- joel878

Can you see what the stats are in games 1 - 3? I'm curious about those. But to add to your point let Biz do the talking for me...
https://youtube.com/short...xaD1Y?si=WvQt6t5La4yBlInN

Ice turned blue,
Pike in the rut.
Free meat at the Northern,
Powers out.
No planes tomorrow,
Clean up the base.
I wish a Leafs was game on,
I’d get shïtfaced.

Core 4 in games 5, 6 and 7 from 2019 to 2024:

Nylander: 16 GP, 6G, 7A, 13 points.
Matthews: 14 GP, 6G, 4A, 10 points.
Tavares: 13 GP, 5G, 5A, 10 points.
Marner: 16 GP, 0G, 5A, 5 points.

And yet here we are with people mind blown confused why Marner gets criticized.

Look at Matthews look at Willy blah blah. Dude, Marner now has 0 goals in 19 games that matter of a playoff series, and a handful of apples. That's worth locking up long term at top 10 money in the league?
- joel878

At home drawing pictures of mountain tops with him on top!

With Tkachuck back to 100% and a fully healthy Cats squad, you guys are done in 5, 6 max. The ONLY chance you have is if the Cats hand you power plays all series, but- that didn't work out for the Bolts too well. The Panthers never stop, never get flustered, don't care what the score is, and will beat the living crap out of you while they come at you wave after wave. 4 full lines that can score any time. I'm hoping for a good series, but I don't expect it.
- gstclairinc

Oh

Are you ready to gamble with the Leafs long range future? This guy could be the next Leafs Captain. You have to remember, Matthews only signed a 4 year extension, so he could easily walk in a couple of years. Best to get this guy locked in long term.
- PrinceLH

AM34 is going nowhere.

You might be over stating Knies' actual value.

He's a big boy, he plays with determination, he can score goals but you can never forget that Matthews is #2 in goals since 2016 and Marner is #6 in assists and they're both top two-way players. That's going to lead to some majorly inflated stats by being in a very, very cushy spot.

I've heard people compare him to Lindros. Actual people. Real human beings watch Knies and think "there's the next Lindros". Everybody thinking Knies is a budding superstar on his own merit has got to take a real big step back and realize this guy is not "the future superstar captain" of the Leafs.

Look how Dylan Cozens turned out for the Sabres after he got a huge deal after ONE 30 goal season. Ended up in Ottawa with declining stats every year. The "risk" goes both ways.

Knies is a very good player to have with very good potential but he's not in breaking the bank territory yet. He has 20 career playoff games, 6 goals, 10 points. Good player, not great. Not yet.
- Rare_Jewel

Speaking of people overrating players is Helly still the best goalie in the world right now?

Speaking of people overrating players is Helly still the best goalie in the world right now?
- Cush29

There will be some irony in him winning the Hart if he poops the bed in round one.

AM34 is going nowhere.
- mjones242

Agreed.

Should we start Will game 1?
- jribout

Yes. Woll.

Stolarz is statistically on the decline since Game 3, he gave up a horrible tying goal and Florida knows exactly how to score on him.

Berube will go with Stolarz until he gets blown out which might be too little, too late.

Speaking of people overrating players is Helly still the best goalie in the world right now?
- Cush29

Put a 4 player screen in front of any goalie and the puck is going in the net if it's on target. St. Louis is simply overwhelming the D in front. Watch what's actually happening.

Yes. Woll.

Stolarz is statistically on the decline since Game 3, he gave up a horrible tying goal and Florida knows exactly how to score on him.

Berube will go with Stolarz until he gets blown out which might be too little, too late.
- Rare_Jewel

Jesus goddamn Christ on a goddamn cracker.