This takes us back to the original point. So you admit the rangers were cup contenders. Then why was the Copp/Vatrano/Wennberg trades bad? They were going for it, what you do when you are trying to win a cup. And they got to the final 4 twice. The rangers weren't rebuilding like those teams. We finally got to the point
- TPC

I think what hes saying is it wasnt necessary to go so far as to overpay for those rentals (although a 4th for Vatrano was a steal, no one can dispute that) and we would have been better off slow burning it. Hold onto the assets, keep building.

I think what hes saying is it wasnt necessary to go so far as to overpay for those rentals (although a 4th for Vatrano was a steal, no one can dispute that) and we would have been better off slow burning it. Hold onto the assets, keep building.
- aecliptic

That's what cup contenders do though, every team every year loads up at the deadline. Been the NHL for years. And the Rangers got to the final 4 two times. That is still success and worth it. I just can't support complaining about trading second round picks when you are trying to win cups. Or not winning means they are losers and Drury sucks. If thats the case 99% of all GMs should be fired every year

That's what cup contenders do though, every team every year loads up at the deadline. Been the NHL for years. And the Rangers got to the final 4 two times. That is still success and worth it. I just can't support complaining about trading second round picks when you are trying to win cups. Or not winning means they are losers and Drury sucks. If thats the case 99% of all GMs should be fired every year
- TPC

If you take away the silly trade for Smith, and trading for Kane, its not nearly as egregious as he makes it all sound. Sure, there are assets there we could have used better, but it is what it is. You can look at the Copp trade and say, well, it was an overpay but he was definitely a key contributor to the playoff push and understandable in the moment.

If you take away the silly trade for Smith, and trading for Kane, its not nearly as egregious as he makes it all sound. You can look at the Copp trade and say, well, it was an overpay but he was definitely a key contributor to the playoff push and understandable in the moment.
- aecliptic

yep exactly, no problem overpaying to get a key contributor for a cup contending team

If you take away the silly trade for Smith, and trading for Kane, its not nearly as egregious as he makes it all sound. Sure, there are assets there we could have used better, but it is what it is. You can look at the Copp trade and say, well, it was an overpay but he was definitely a key contributor to the playoff push and understandable in the moment.
- aecliptic

Smith wasn’t even that bad. He was big for Vegas during their cup run, so was worth a shot. Can see what Drury was trying to do there, and moving down a round to try to improve the team was worth a shot.

I never liked the Kane trade, he threw off the team chemistry and clearly wasn’t even at 75% health.

Drury is always trying to improve this team, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Teams don’t want to trade the guys we covet the most. Let’s see what this team looks like in 3-4 months and then judge.

Smith wasn’t even that bad. He was big for Vegas during their cup run, so was worth a shot. Can see what Drury was trying to do there, and moving down a round to try to improve the team was worth a shot.

I never liked the Kane trade, he threw off the team chemistry and clearly wasn’t even at 75% health.

Drury is always trying to improve this team, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Teams don’t want to trade the guys we covet the most. Let’s see what this team looks like in 3-4 months and then judge.
- TC88

Gonna be a crucial offseason

Smith wasn’t even that bad. He was big for Vegas during their cup run, so was worth a shot. Can see what Drury was trying to do there, and moving down a round to try to improve the team was worth a shot.

I never liked the Kane trade, he threw off the team chemistry and clearly wasn’t even at 75% health.

Drury is always trying to improve this team, sometimes you win and sometimes you lose. Teams don’t want to trade the guys we covet the most. Let’s see what this team looks like in 3-4 months and then judge.
- TC88

Yep that has been the point of many. He clearly is trying something different since November. Moving out core pieces. If he builds this new team and they suck then everyone is free to trash him. But lets at least see the finished product first before saying its over lol

Yep that has been the point of many. He clearly is trying something different since November. Moving out core pieces. If he builds this new team and they suck then everyone is free to trash him. But lets at least see the finished product first before saying its over lol
- TPC

Getting the coaching staff right is going to be so important.

Getting the coaching staff right is going to be so important.
- aecliptic

Yea really curious where he goes. My favorite is still Jeff Halpern but wouldn't be shocked if they go retread coach again

That's what cup contenders do though, every team every year loads up at the deadline. Been the NHL for years. And the Rangers got to the final 4 two times. That is still success and worth it. I just can't support complaining about trading second round picks when you are trying to win cups. Or not winning means they are losers and Drury sucks. If thats the case 99% of all GMs should be fired every year
- TPC

STOP MAKING SENSE!

That's what cup contenders do though, every team every year loads up at the deadline. Been the NHL for years. And the Rangers got to the final 4 two times. That is still success and worth it. I just can't support complaining about trading second round picks when you are trying to win cups. Or not winning means they are losers and Drury sucks. If thats the case 99% of all GMs should be fired every year
- TPC

He’s traded (3) 2nd round picks to dump contracts (1 of which he signed the player to the year before).

Traded another to get Smith then only got a 3rd in return. He sucks at making trades.

Vatrano, good.
Tarasenko Mikkola, good.

Beyond that, he’s over payed for everything

He’s traded (3) 2nd round picks to dump contracts (1 of which he signed the player to the year before).

Traded another to get Smith then only got a 3rd in return. He sucks at making trades.

Vatrano, good.
Tarasenko Mikkola, good.

Beyond that, he’s over payed for everything
- nyrangers9479

This made me laugh. You say he sucks at making trades then immediately list 2 good trades he made for years they were going for the cup. He can’t suck that bad then lol

If I am grading them…

The good trades:

getting back JT miller
Borgen trade and ext
Getting a 2nd rounder for Lindgren
Copp trade
Vatrano trade
Tarasenko/Mikola trade
Moving out Trouba’s contract for free

Bad trades:

Buchnevich
Patrick Kane
Reily Smith both trades

I may be missing some but Drury sounds like most GMs in the league. Has both good and bad trades so far

If I am grading them…

The good trades:

getting back JT miller
Borgen trade and ext
Getting a 2nd rounder for Lindgren
Copp trade
Vatrano trade
Tarasenko/Mikola trade
Moving out Trouba’s contract for free

Bad trades:

Buchnevich
Patrick Kane
Reily Smith both trades

I may be missing some but Drury sounds like most GMs in the league. Has both good and bad trades so far
- TPC

To me it's not his trades but how he's dealt with the room. Say all you want that it was Lavys responsibility, but Drury made the dumpster fire with the Goodrow backdoor move the trouba trade fiasco and then then open season for other teams. I'm sorry that's three bad PR moves in a single season. And I get they, on paper make the the team better, but it's like he's ignoring the human element as if this was NHL2k4 or some poop. That's the part that scares me. I think he's got enough hockey sense to make the right moves, but just don't know what impact that moves will have.


//Ducks and covers in a because everyone hates everyone in this sub now lol

To me it's not his trades but how he's dealt with the room. Say all you want that it was Lavys responsibility, but Drury made the dumpster fire with the Goodrow backdoor move the trouba trade fiasco and then then open season for other teams. I'm sorry that's three bad PR moves in a single season. And I get they, on paper make the the team better, but it's like he's ignoring the human element as if this was NHL2k4 or some poop. That's the part that scares me. I think he's got enough hockey sense to make the right moves, but just don't know what impact that moves will have.


//Ducks and covers in a because everyone hates everyone in this sub now lol
- MeltingPlastic

Youre officially now a Brukie supporter, good luck.

To me it's not his trades but how he's dealt with the room. Say all you want that it was Lavys responsibility, but Drury made the dumpster fire with the Goodrow backdoor move the trouba trade fiasco and then then open season for other teams. I'm sorry that's three bad PR moves in a single season. And I get they, on paper make the the team better, but it's like he's ignoring the human element as if this was NHL2k4 or some poop. That's the part that scares me. I think he's got enough hockey sense to make the right moves, but just don't know what impact that moves will have.


//Ducks and covers in a because everyone hates everyone in this sub now lol
- MeltingPlastic

That’s a fair point he hasn’t been great dealing with the emotional side

That’s a fair point he hasn’t been great dealing with the emotional side
- TPC

I voiced rhe concern before. With the way he has dealt with players, how will that affect our ability to interest guys to play for the Rangers? Guy signs a multi-year deal, buys a house/condo, brings his family over… then next thing you know, nevermind, changed my mind, shipping you out. Players will likely demand some sort of security in their contracts, which doesnt bode well.

I voiced rhe concern before. With the way he has dealt with players, how will that affect our ability to interest guys to play for the Rangers? Guy signs a multi-year deal, buys a house/condo, brings his family over… then next thing you know, nevermind, changed my mind, shipping you out. Players will likely demand some sort of security in their contracts, which doesnt bode well.
- aecliptic

Let’s see if he learns. He did say at break up day he needs to be better too. Hopefully these things are in the past

I voiced rhe concern before. With the way he has dealt with players, how will that affect our ability to interest guys to play for the Rangers? Guy signs a multi-year deal, buys a house/condo, brings his family over… then next thing you know, nevermind, changed my mind, shipping you out. Players will likely demand some sort of security in their contracts, which doesnt bode well.
- aecliptic

Ironically, 3 guys just signed multi year deals during this cluster(frank) of a season (caused by the GM.)

That theory is bang on

If I am grading them…

The good trades:

getting back JT miller
Borgen trade and ext
Getting a 2nd rounder for Lindgren
Copp trade
Vatrano trade
Tarasenko/Mikola trade
Moving out Trouba’s contract for free

Bad trades:

Buchnevich
Patrick Kane
Reily Smith both trades

I may be missing some but Drury sounds like most GMs in the league. Has both good and bad trades so far
- TPC

I see a Brukie attack forthcoming

Can we at least move forward with what he should do now because he isn’t going anywhere!

The revisionist history stuff is nauseating EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

Been thinking, Josi is probably the guy to get somehow. Maybe they’ll shake it up in Smashville. They were the Rangers of the western conference this year

Can we at least move forward with what he should do now because he isn’t going anywhere!

The revisionist history stuff is nauseating EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

Been thinking, Josi is probably the guy to get somehow. Maybe they’ll shake it up in Smashville. They were the Rangers of the western conference this year
- Slimtj100

$9.059 mil AAV for three more years. My concern is if the decline and body breakdown has started. Plus what would you have to give up as Nashvillle took a massive swing at it last season with signing Stamkos and Marchessault. If they blow it up, maybe, but how much youth do you move? Plus would have to move big contracts to free up enough salary cap space

If I am grading them…

The good trades:

getting back JT miller
Borgen trade and ext
Getting a 2nd rounder for Lindgren
Copp trade
Vatrano trade
Tarasenko/Mikola trade
Moving out Trouba’s contract for free

Bad trades:

Buchnevich
Patrick Kane
Reily Smith both trades

I may be missing some but Drury sounds like most GMs in the league. Has both good and bad trades so far
- TPC

I see a Brukie attack forthcoming
- Slimtj100

Whats so great about Borgen? He hasnt looked good, average at best. Not worth going 4 years on.

Oh yeah, after that Trouba trade, the team took off, they flew, to the bottom, greatest move of all time!!

$9.059 mil AAV for three more years. My concern is if the decline and body breakdown has started. Plus what would you have to give up as Nashvillle took a massive swing at it last season with signing Stamkos and Marchessault. If they blow it up, maybe, but how much youth do you move? Plus would have to move big contracts to free up enough salary cap space
- airjan23

Suppose you went Kandre (to replace Josi), Mika (they need a center and players love Nashville) and a 1st rd pick. Is that enough?

a Josi - Fox pair would be a game changer

Can we at least move forward with what he should do now because he isn’t going anywhere!

The revisionist history stuff is nauseating EVERY. SINGLE. DAY.

Been thinking, Josi is probably the guy to get somehow. Maybe they’ll shake it up in Smashville. They were the Rangers of the western conference this year
- Slimtj100

Josi? a 35yo at 9mil plus for 3 more years?? This team will be once again be getting older quicker trading youth for aged veterans, because that has worked out so well for us in the past.

Its the Stanley Cup, Not Senior Citizen Stanley Cup.