Is that what Kakko costs? A bottom half defenseman?
- aecliptic

Kakko is a fringe 2nd/3rd line player at this point of his career. People still treat him like the 2nd overall pick he was like 5 years ago. He doesn’t have that value

Kakko is a fringe 2nd/3rd line player at this point of his career. People still treat him like the 2nd overall pick he was like 5 years ago. He doesn’t have that value
- TPC

Oh no, I dont treat him like a 2nd overall pick. Im not saying were getting top tier prospects or whatever... however.. getting a bottom half dman and a 3rd is weak.

How many times do those middle six players go for late 1st / 2nd round picks. As I said, it was a knee jerk move.

Again, for the 21213087753802 time.

Its not the fact that we have these people, its the cost at which they have come. (except Miller, regardless of opinions on whether or not it was right, the cost was solid)
- aecliptic

We’ve given up what exactly? Picks and Kakko. Chytil was an accident waiting to happen. Kakko would be redundant right now anyway. And we’d have to pay him too ffs. All these guys came up around the same time

We’ve given up what exactly? Picks and Kakko. Chytil was an accident waiting to happen. Kakko would be redundant right now anyway. And we’d have to pay him too ffs. All these guys came up around the same time
- Slimtj100

AGAIN, youre fixated on what. Im talking about how and when. Secondly, Im not talking about the Miller trade.

Oh no, I dont treat him like a 2nd overall pick. Im not saying were getting top tier prospects or whatever... however.. getting a bottom half dman and a 3rd is weak.

How many times do those middle six players go for late 1st / 2nd round picks. As I said, it was a knee jerk move.
- aecliptic

Kakko is 4 years younger with draft pedigree. Too me one is a middle six winger and the other is a middle pair defenseman. I don’t really see an issue but that is just me

Kakko is 4 years younger with draft pedigree. Too me one is a middle six winger and the other is a middle pair defenseman. I don’t really see an issue but that is just me
- TPC

Ok, then where do you see Schneider?

Ok, then where do you see Schneider?
- aecliptic

Good question, pretty similar to Borgen honestly. Although I am hoping him playing through the torn labrum the last 2 years is a big reason why he hasn’t progressed like we hoped. So maybe finally being healthy next year will help

Ok, then where do you see Schneider?
- aecliptic

Left side. Don’t believe me 🤷🏻‍♂️

Left side. Don’t believe me 🤷🏻‍♂️
- Slimtj100

This doesnt work like it does with forwards.

Good question, pretty similar to Borgen honestly. Although I am hoping him playing through the torn labrum the last 2 years is a big reason why he hasn’t progressed like we hoped. So maybe finally being healthy next year will help
- TPC

In that is where I see the problem. Assuming they continue progressing Schneider, that makes Borgen the 3rd RHD. You dont make moves like that with/for 3rd pairing guys.

This doesnt work like it does with forwards.
- aecliptic

He isn’t playing with handcuffs on for gods sake

In that is where I see the problem. Assuming they continue progressing Schneider, that makes Borgen the 3rd RHD. You dont make moves like that with/for 3rd pairing guys.
- aecliptic

With the cap increasing 4.1 million for Borgen doesn’t bug me. Also who knows Schneider could be used as trade bait this summer since I doubt miller is traded now

He isn’t playing with handcuffs on for gods sake
- Slimtj100

Playing your offside defensively just doesnt work like it does when youre a forward. Look around the league, its not a thing.

Playing your offside defensively just doesnt work like it does when youre a forward. Look around the league, its not a thing.
- aecliptic

I mean it’s not terrible to do this

Schneider
Fox
Borgen

That’s a great right side. Schneider either needs to be traded for a lefty, or move up in 5 on 5 minutes over Fox

With the cap increasing 4.1 million for Borgen doesn’t bug me. Also who knows Schneider could be used as trade bait this summer since I doubt miller is traded now
- TPC

Well, Im pretty confident, Dumoulin will be a Ranger. If you trade Schneider, who do you trade him for? Months ago, I was suggesting flipping Schneider for Byram... flipping a righty for a lefty, but Dumoulin is a LHD also who is still very capable of playing top 4 minutes. On KAM, does he deserve the 5-6m extension he will likely ask for?

Well, Im pretty confident, Dumoulin will be a Ranger. If you trade Schneider, who do you trade him for? Months ago, I was suggesting flipping Schneider for Byram... flipping a righty for a lefty, but Dumoulin is a LHD also who is still very capable of playing top 4 minutes. On KAM, does he deserve the 5-6m extension he will likely ask for?
- aecliptic

I would love to get Byron. That extension for miller scares me some. It’s going to be interesting to see what they do to upgrade

I would love to get Byron. That extension for miller scares me some. It’s going to be interesting to see what they do to upgrade
- TPC

The swap Id make, which will make a certain someone here very happy...

Schneider <> Byram
Sign Dumoulin
KAM <> Kesselring

Then you can run...

Byram, Kesselring
Dumoulin, Fox
______, Borgen

I would love to get Byron. That extension for miller scares me some. It’s going to be interesting to see what they do to upgrade
- TPC

I think they’ll be able to get Key to agree on two years

Much like they did with Kakko. Like alright this is it, we don’t believe in you just yet

The swap Id make, which will make a certain someone here very happy...

Schneider <> Byram
Sign Dumoulin
KAM <> Kesselring

Then you can run...

Byram, Kesselring
Dumoulin, Fox
______, Borgen
- aecliptic

Byram for Schneider I’m not sure there has ever been a more sensible and logical deal for two teams

I think they’ll be able to get Key to agree on two years

Much like they did with Kakko. Like alright this is it, we don’t believe in you just yet
- Slimtj100

I dont think they can, he's already been bridged.

Byram for Schneider I’m not sure there has ever been a more sensible and logical deal for two teams
- Slimtj100

You know me, Ive been on this Byram (& Tuch) thing for months. Ive talked about a lot of things this season, but this one Ive been stuck on for a while.

I saw this proposed today

Mika for Mittlestat and a second rounder

You know me, Ive been on this Byram (& Tuch) thing for months. Ive talked about a lot of things this season, but this one Ive been stuck on for a while.
- aecliptic

I want JJ but I doubt Buffalo trades him to us

I saw this proposed today

Mika for Mittlestat and a second rounder
- Slimtj100

If Mika agrees to waive his NMC I could care less what we get back. Getting cap relief is good enough for me

I dont think they can, he's already been bridged.
- aecliptic

How can that be? Kakko had two 2 year deals didn’t he? After the ELC