While were on history. Crosby has also done nothing but take team friendly contracts throughout his entire career. I'd list the awards he's won throughout but they're simply too numerous. But 3 cups.

Sure he was hurt from time to time, he had a few concussions and a broken jaw. Did it stop him from training or did he use them as an excuse? To compare Petey to Crosby is arguably one of the more ridiculous things I've read on here.

Petey may or may not bounce back but he's got a long way to go before he's a first ballot hall of famer. Maybe come up for air every once in a while.
- Load Management

You think 8.7 Mil was "team Friendly" in 2008?

Don't get me wrong he was worth every dime, but no, it was a ton of money. AND it was one of the first big paydays coming off an ELC - back then it was RARE.

Hurt from time to time? 3 huge injuries - 3 seasons in a row. Most speculated he was done and would never recover.

Don't confuse what Sid has accomplished with his injury history in the comparison. In no way was I comparing their level of play - being a first ballot HOF has nothing to do with what I was talking about. The comparison was strictly injury based.

I don't think the original post was to compare accolades/careers of Crosby and Patterson, but to point out that players can grow and develop.
- dbot

THANK YOU!

I appreciate your level of reading comprehension.

Driftwood take note.

It actually was.

Brooks used Crosby as a comparison to Petey.
- golfingsince

NO, It actually wasn't - at all. At least not in the context Load interpreted it.

At no point did I mean it in terms of what Sid/Petey have or have yet to accomplish.

The point was - players (ANY) can bounce back from an injury or a terrible year at the mid-way point of their career. It goes back to Driftwood saying that he doesnt' think EP can get back to the production he achieved through the first 6 years of his career.
For example, Landy just returned after a 2 year significant injury and he's 32.

You think 8.7 Mil was "team Friendly" in 2008?

Don't get me wrong he was worth every dime, but no, it was a ton of money. AND it was one of the first big paydays coming off an ELC - back then it was RARE.

Hurt from time to time? 3 huge injuries - 3 seasons in a row. Most speculated he was done and would never recover.

Don't confuse what Sid has accomplished with his injury history in the comparison. In no way was I comparing their level of play - being a first ballot HOF has nothing to do with what I was talking about. The comparison was strictly injury based.
- Brooks_Light

What he did do after signing it was put up over 100 points and bring a Cup to Pittsburgh. I get what you're saying, but he used his recovery time and contract as an excuse to work harder. I just don't see that sort of ethic in Petey. If anything it's the exact opposite. He's making excuses and needing to be prodded and motivated externally. That's a huge red flag that shouldn't be ignored at his pay grade.

What he did do after signing it was put up over 100 points and bring a Cup to Pittsburgh. I get what you're saying, but he used his recovery time and contract as an excuse to work harder. I just don't see that sort of ethic in Petey. If anything it's the exact opposite. He's making excuses and needing to be prodded and motivated externally. That's a huge red flag that shouldn't be ignored at his pay grade.
- Load Management

That has nothing to do with my original point.

What excuses? He knows he has to be better - obviously, he owned up to it in the exit presser.

I don't think he needs prodding and external motivation. He said he knows what he needs to do in the summer. When the org. says they have a plan they'd like him to follow in OS training - that's normal to give suggestions to players - at any point in their career.

How about we let the guy have his off season and see how he comes back in Sept? He's getting vilified by a portion of the fanbase that have zero faith that he'll never bounce back - and the other side of the fanbase is simply saying, he was pretty solid his first 6 seasons, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and let this play out.

What he did do after signing it was put up over 100 points and bring a Cup to Pittsburgh. I get what you're saying, but he used his recovery time and contract as an excuse to work harder. I just don't see that sort of ethic in Petey. If anything it's the exact opposite. He's making excuses and needing to be prodded and motivated externally. That's a huge red flag that shouldn't be ignored at his pay grade.
- Load Management

And again, Crosby is outgoing, vocal and Canadian and EP40 is introverted, quiet and Swedish. If he were big, beefy, vocal and Canadian he'd be given a hell of a lot more slack by the fanbase. We've had this issue before with the Sedins back when they were his age where there were questions about their work ethic. People tend to forget it was Mats Sundin that helped them figure out what they needed to do to be elite, does Pouty have that? He's also not being prodded, he was asked to follow a plan that was presumably worked out with not only the coaches, management, team doctors and trainers, but likely his agent and himself as well. This has happened on other teams with players who got injured and lost conditioning due to slow healing over the summer and had bad years the next year as a result and nothing new.

That has nothing to do with my original point.

What excuses? He knows he has to be better - obviously, he owned up to it in the exit presser.

I don't think he needs prodding and external motivation. He said he knows what he needs to do in the summer. When the org. says they have a plan they'd like him to follow in OS training - that's normal to give suggestions to players - at any point in their career.

How about we let the guy have his off season and see how he comes back in Sept? He's getting vilified by a portion of the fanbase that have zero faith that he'll never bounce back - and the other side of the fanbase is simply saying, he was pretty solid his first 6 seasons, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and let this play out.
- Brooks_Light

"I was hurt and couldn't train properly."
"My parents gave me poopty genetics."
"I don't know why I'm not skating as fast or shooting as hard this year."
To paraphrase a couple.

It's been a solid calendar year. Let's not forget his 1 goal in 13 games during last year's playoffs. I think it's fair for anyone to expect a guy who is paid top 5 in the league to perform like it. And because he hasn't, a giant mess of a season has ensued. I'm not willfully ignoring his role in it. You can, but to me this isn't a kid that wants to win at any cost at the moment, and needs to be called out for it.

That has nothing to do with my original point.

What excuses? He knows he has to be better - obviously, he owned up to it in the exit presser.

I don't think he needs prodding and external motivation. He said he knows what he needs to do in the summer. When the org. says they have a plan they'd like him to follow in OS training - that's normal to give suggestions to players - at any point in their career.

How about we let the guy have his off season and see how he comes back in Sept? He's getting vilified by a portion of the fanbase that have zero faith that he'll never bounce back - and the other side of the fanbase is simply saying, he was pretty solid his first 6 seasons, lets give him the benefit of the doubt and let this play out.
- Brooks_Light

Then why have his coach & management been doing exactly that?
He is a selfish, immature player who doesn't take accountability and needs to be moved before July 1 so that he doesn't damage the team any further. Although that might be too late, with the President of hockey ops saying that they may not be able to keep Quinn Hughes after his current contract is up.
Pouty, Miller, management and to some degree, coaches are all responsible for potentially setting this club back for years. Getting rid of Pouty is the first step in stopping the bleeding.

THANK YOU!

I appreciate your level of reading comprehension.

Driftwood take note.
- Brooks_Light

Golfing too, just jumping down peoples throats yesterday and completely didn’t understand the comparison/purpose

Then why have his coach & management been doing exactly that?
He is a selfish, immature player who doesn't take accountability and needs to be moved before July 1 so that he doesn't damage the team any further. Although that might be too late, with the President of hockey ops saying that they may not be able to keep Quinn Hughes after his current contract is up.
Pouty, Miller, management and to some degree, coaches are all responsible for potentially setting this club back for years. Getting rid of Pouty is the first step in stopping the bleeding.
- Marwood

If you're gonna trade Petey, you may as well start shopping Hughes. What you get back for Petey isn't going to make the team better in the short term – no one is gonna give up a first line center for him. Maybe you could package some of the return for a player with questions marks but high upside... but that's exactly what Petey is so you're back at square one.

Hughes isn't gonna stick around if the team takes another step back. Sorta gotta bet on Petey getting his game back and go from there.

Also, the Jets... aren't looking so hot right now. Some unlucky goals. But man, not good.

Also, the Jets... aren't looking so hot right now. Some unlucky goals. But man, not good.
- NewYorkNuck

You wonder about Hellebuck, he's the Vezina Trophy winner by far this year, but I wonder if maybe Winnipeg overplays him so much that he just runs out of gas by the playoffs

"I was hurt and couldn't train properly."
"My parents gave me poopty genetics."
"I don't know why I'm not skating as fast or shooting as hard this year."
To paraphrase a couple.

It's been a solid calendar year. Let's not forget his 1 goal in 13 games during last year's playoffs. I think it's fair for anyone to expect a guy who is paid top 5 in the league to perform like it. And because he hasn't, a giant mess of a season has ensued. I'm not willfully ignoring his role in it. You can, but to me this isn't a kid that wants to win at any cost at the moment, and needs to be called out for it.
- Load Management

That’s more than a fair take. How about?

https://thecanuckway.com/...ancouver-draft-need-value

You wonder about Hellebuck, he's the Vezina Trophy winner by far this year, but I wonder if maybe Winnipeg overplays him so much that he just runs out of gas by the playoffs
- DariusKnight

The knock on Hellebuyck has been pretty much the same as Luongo and many other goalies that can't get it done in PO's. Outstanding in reg. season but playoff chokers. Appears Hellbuyck might be one of them lol which sucks as it would be nice to see the Jets go deep.

You wonder about Hellebuck, he's the Vezina Trophy winner by far this year, but I wonder if maybe Winnipeg overplays him so much that he just runs out of gas by the playoffs
- DariusKnight

Blues were also a tough first round draw. The goals tonight aren't all on him (some flukey ones/breakdowns), the team isn't playing superb and the Blues have found a good system to get pucks at the net. But ya, he's not elevating his team right now.

If you're gonna trade Petey, you may as well start shopping Hughes. What you get back for Petey isn't going to make the team better in the short term – no one is gonna give up a first line center for him. Maybe you could package some of the return for a player with questions marks but high upside... but that's exactly what Petey is so you're back at square one.

Hughes isn't gonna stick around if the team takes another step back. Sorta gotta bet on Petey getting his game back and go from there.
- NewYorkNuck

Team took a step backwards with EP being a big part of it. In the recent short term he has been front & center the return might never improve or he grows up & it’s moot. If the former then Hughes could walk if fans believe he’s a quitter. I’m not fully sold on that.

Team took a step backwards with EP being a big part of it. In the recent short term he has been front & center the return might never improve or he grows up & it’s moot. If the former then Hughes could walk if fans believe he’s a quitter. I’m not fully sold on that.
- Nighthawk

Yeah, I’m not at all sold on that, these guys live and work side by each, they know the ins and outs, the fans are just reactionary to whatever bs is written or they want to make up, pretty sure Hughes could give a (frank) what the fans believe.

Golfing too, just jumping down peoples throats yesterday and completely didn’t understand the comparison/purpose
- neem55

It was an idiotic comparison regardless of how you guys want to spin it.

A Marky Muffin

That’s more than fair take. How about?

https://thecanuckway.com/...ancouver-draft-need-value
- Nighthawk

If he's there still then I can't see any reason why they shouldn't. I may be biased though having watched him develop the last couple of years. Like I said a couple of weeks ago, I can see him going higher than his ranking.

We sent both him and Verhoeff to the U-18s. They haven't played yet but it looks like they're drawing in for Finland today.

Yeah, I’m not at all sold on that, these guys live and work side by each, they know the ins and outs, the fans are just reactionary to whatever bs is written or they want to make up, pretty sure Hughes could give a (frank) what the fans believe.
- Makita

Fans think all players are clones & bolt for money or cups. Makes fans easy prey for media in this world of disinformation. Critical thinking isn’t internet education.

If he's there still then I can't see any reason why they shouldn't. I may be biased though having watched him develop the last couple of years. Like I said a couple of weeks ago, I can see him going higher than his ranking.

We sent both him and Verhoeff to the U-18s. They haven't played yet but it looks like they're drawing in for Finland today.
- Load Management

I started with Kindell in our pick range in a not so deep draft. C’s are rare further down that can have top C upside. Top 6 C is no easy get either but he is all situations. Size matters but need is need. Playmakers are more rare than most fans realize so some give & take is needed.

Speed & vision & edge work goes a long ways. EP not skating shows why he dropped off. It’s not rocket science.

Also, the Jets... aren't looking so hot right now. Some unlucky goals. But man, not good.
- NewYorkNuck

I'm more confident in the Oil making it out of the 1st round than Winnipeg.

I started with Kindell in our pick range in a not so deep draft. C’s are rare further down that can have top C upside. Top 6 C is no easy get either but he is all situations. Size matters but need is need. Playmakers are more rare than most fans realize so some give & take is needed.

Speed & vision & edge work goes a long ways. EP not skating shows why he dropped off. It’s not rocket science.
- Nighthawk

I like Kindel as well. As I type this he just scored. But I followed the Hitmen because of Mynio and going to Calgary to watch them. I don't think he'd be a bad pick either from what I've seen.

I like Kindel as well. As I type this he just scored. But I followed the Hitmen because of Mynio and going to Calgary to watch them. I don't think he'd be a bad pick either from what I've seen.
- Load Management

It comes down to who is there to pick imo. If a C is the big need so be it. Do it