That is exactly what coaching is...Torts is out of line as usual. The sooner they can his as$, the better.

How you can defend this crap with statements like "It's just torts being Torts". No other coach does what he does, and there is a reason for it. It's counter productive.

Good on York for going public...multiple players have stated this, and the trend is there.
- meduser

Its Tort's style. If he doesn't like the way you are playing and doesn't see improvement, he benches you. I highly doubt York was caught off guard by this. He hasn't played well pretty much this entire season, and I don't care how many minutes he plays a night, or what his underlining metrics state. York needs to be a man, step into Tort's office and defend himself. Don't coward out to the media, initiate a conversation, even a heated one, with the coach and figure out how to improve. This is what a professional athlete should do! Not cry to the media that no one told him how to improve. Anyone watching the games can see what York needs to improve. He came out of US hockey development as a power play QB and an offensive threat and yet with the Flyers we have seen basically none of this. York's assets are his smarts, speed and offensive skill, but where has that been this year? Drysdale, now that he can stay on the ice, has already passed him IMO.

Are you kidding me?? Lets look at the botton 5-7 teams in the league shall we.

Sharks - Since finishing 2nd in 2018, the Sharks have not finished higher than 6th in the past 6 seasons! yes they have Celebrini and Smith to show for it, and will get another high draft pick this year, but 6 seasons, bottom of the league, and there is no guarantee just because they have high draft picks that they will be good anytime soon.

Blackhawks - Since finishing 1st in 2016, they have not finished better than 6th since then, that's a total of 8 seasons of near bottom or bottom finishes! Again, they have some young players to show for it, Bedard of course leading the way, but how has Bedard's development on a crappy team been so far?

Sabres - Do I even need to say anything about this wretched franchise? They haven't finished above 5th since 2011, 14 years!! Never mind the star players they gave away, Eichel, Reinhart and of course the Flyers best defenseman Risto!

Let's do one more shall we, the mighty Anaheim Ducks. They have not finished above 6th place since 2017, that's 7 straight seasons. Again, they have Carlsson, and Gauthier, Zegras, MacTavish, and Zellweger, and what has it got them exactly? That's right, you guessed it, another top 10 pick this year.

The lesson that should be learned is if you strip down to the studs you have no winning culture or structure in place for these young players to develop in. That is why the Ducks are now getting players like Gudas, Trouba and Dumoulin, to start creating a more professional envorinment for their players to develop. The Flyers are doing it the right way, building the culture and identifying the veteran players that will promote that culture for their younger players to thrive. You will see a much different team next year, one that will make the playoffs within 3 years of Briere and Jones taking over, which is half the time of these other teams.
- jd250

At least the teams you mentioned understand how to get elite talent. The flyers have been drafting in the 10-20 range for 15 years with not one gamebreaking player.

https://www.hockeydb.com/...aft/teams/dr00007439.html

Please tell us how much the teams current "Culture®" is producing a winning atmosphere?

Its Tort's style. If he doesn't like the way you are playing and doesn't see improvement, he benches you. I highly doubt York was caught off guard by this. He hasn't played well pretty much this entire season, and I don't care how many minutes he plays a night, or what his underlining metrics state. York needs to be a man, step into Tort's office and defend himself. Don't coward out to the media, initiate a conversation, even a heated one, with the coach and figure out how to improve. This is what a professional athlete should do! Not cry to the media that no one told him how to improve. Anyone watching the games can see what York needs to improve. He came out of US hockey development as a power play QB and an offensive threat and yet with the Flyers we have seen basically none of this. York's assets are his smarts, speed and offensive skill, but where has that been this year? Drysdale, now that he can stay on the ice, has already passed him IMO.
- jd250

If he is playing poorly, why is the coach sending him out for so many minutes. If torts "style" is to bench you for poor play what does it say about him for giving a player who is not playing up to his standards so much ice time?

How many years must you tank to become good? How long will it take to become good? Will all their top prospects start in the NHL or take a year or 2 to come up?

You brought up Trouba, Rangers forced him out and said pick a team to go to or a team you don't like will get you. His and his wife selected Anaheim.
- WhiskeyMan

Who picks Anaheim, really.... But even if that is true, the Ducks still had to want Trouba, right? That's my point. The Ducks are realizing that you can't just have a team of 22 year olds runnning around the ice, you need to have a culture and structure. Look at how bad Drsydale was when he came to the Flyers? Look at how bad Zegras has been since his rookie season. You just can't ignore these simple facts.

If he is playing poorly, why is the coach sending him out for so many minutes. If torts "style" is to bench you for poor play what does it say about him for giving a player who is not playing up to his standards so much ice time?
- corduroy

York and Sanheim are the top pairing for the Flyers and thus play the most minutes. But I think you will agree if these two are a team's top pairing, that team is not very good.

York and Sanheim are the top pairing for the Flyers and thus play the most minutes. But I think you will agree if these two are a team's top pairing, that team is not very good.
- jd250

No - you stated that if you play poorly you get benched -- that is torts style. So tell me if york is playing so poorly why is he getting so much ice?

We have seen this coach play a game with 5 defenseman last season so personnel is not the reason

Also if rr is the best defenseman, and in your eyes the hands down norrris trophy winner why is he not playing top minutes? He is a better d-man than ts and cy according to you -- so why do those 2 sub par players garner more ice?

At least the teams you mentioned understand how to get elite talent. The flyers have been drafting in the 10-20 range for 15 years with not one gamebreaking player.

https://www.hockeydb.com/...aft/teams/dr00007439.html

Please tell us how much the teams current "Culture®" is producing a winning atmosphere?
- corduroy

There is a difference between having an elite ceiling and actually playing at an elite level. Has Bedard played at an elite level since entering the league?

The Flyers drafted 2nd overall in 2007 and again 2017, and picked the wrong player. Well in fairness in 2007 they didn't have a choice. The Flyers drafted 5th overall in 2022 and that player decided he didn't want to play for them. The Flyers drafted 7th overall in 2015 and again picked the wrong player in Provorov, with Werenski and Rantanen on the board. The Flyers drafted 7th overall in 2023 and did something right, they got Michkov. The Flyers will draft probably 6th this year and they should get a good player again. So your narrative that they have been drafting in the 10-20 range over the past 15 years is catagorically false.

Yep you are correct. My eyes deceived on the NHL

Canada probably fn with his visa. Or the flyers are slow walking his papers
- WhiskeyMan

Flyers have a track record of not getting players here in a timely fashion.

Who picks Anaheim, really.... But even if that is true, the Ducks still had to want Trouba, right? That's my point. The Ducks are realizing that you can't just have a team of 22 year olds runnning around the ice, you need to have a culture and structure. Look at how bad Drsydale was when he came to the Flyers? Look at how bad Zegras has been since his rookie season. You just can't ignore these simple facts.
- jd250

Rangers never reported out who the other teams were, neither did Trouba.

When Jones and DB are poopcanned the Flyers should seriously consider handing the keys over to Prongs.
- Tomahawk

Pronger as great as a player as he was 1 of my favorite defenseman of all time, he is not the person I want running anything

He was the one who scouted sam Morin and we see how that all worked out

There is a difference between having an elite ceiling and actually playing at an elite level. Has Bedard played at an elite level since entering the league?

The Flyers drafted 2nd overall in 2007 and again 2017, and picked the wrong player. Well in fairness in 2007 they didn't have a choice. The Flyers drafted 5th overall in 2022 and that player decided he didn't want to play for them. The Flyers drafted 7th overall in 2015 and again picked the wrong player in Provorov, with Werenski and Rantanen on the board. The Flyers drafted 7th overall in 2023 and did something right, they got Michkov. The Flyers will draft probably 6th this year and they should get a good player again. So your narrative that they have been drafting in the 10-20 range over the past 15 years is catagorically false.
- jd250

So you are now saying that the mistake that you said they were making in selecting mm is now a win?

2007 - 18 years ago - not factored in

2017 - moved up in the lottery they were slotted to draft 13th

so their record has had them drafting in the top 10 3 times in 15 years

is CG a good player? He was picked 5th

You are the one who bragged about how great flahr is at drafting he drafted york, who you say sucks, he drafted mm who you said was not coming to the US so, to you was a crappy pick, he drafted cutter, who you now think sucks

Looking at the factual data one can see the flyer way of building their team is not one that is currently working in their favor

I think you're right about York, but its because of York's personality to be honest. I know the underlying metrics say York is having a good year, but the eye test tells a very different story. He has not been very good this season and that's disappointing to me because I was one that advocated drafting York over Cole Caufield. If York truly doesn't know why Torts benched him, go and confront him about it. The fact that he hasn't is yet another disappointment. Would you want to go to war with a player like this? I know I wouldn't.
- jd250

Lol don't say I test because MJL doesn't believe it lmfao

Anyone else see the report that it was the flyers who were insistent on the leafs prospect in trade for Laughton? Yeah not minten or Cowan who are widely considered way much better prospects. Their scouts fell in love with his personality. Lmao. Oh a marketing jackpot. (frank) the 1st round pick back checks forechecks paychecks is the homerun CUMcast was looking for in Laughton trade. A bottom 6 grinder with personality not players likely to play top 6 with upside
- Stayin alive

Agree with what you are saying but it is hard to believe they would have received both a first found pick and either of those 2 guys. Of course, you never know until you ask, which they probably did not.

Pronger as great as a player as he was 1 of my favorite defenseman of all time, he is not the person I want running anything

He was the one who scouted sam Morin and we see how that all worked out
- SlNlSTER

Yeah, injuries ended his career like Pronger's career

Agree with what you are saying but it is hard to believe they would have received both a first found pick and either of those 2 guys. Of course, you never know until you ask, which they probably did not.
- mr4tno

Is there a link to the report? Maybe Toronto already promised Minten to Boston

Are you kidding me?? Lets look at the botton 5-7 teams in the league shall we.

Sharks - Since finishing 2nd in 2018, the Sharks have not finished higher than 6th in the past 6 seasons! yes they have Celebrini and Smith to show for it, and will get another high draft pick this year, but 6 seasons, bottom of the league, and there is no guarantee just because they have high draft picks that they will be good anytime soon.

Blackhawks - Since finishing 1st in 2016, they have not finished better than 6th since then, that's a total of 8 seasons of near bottom or bottom finishes! Again, they have some young players to show for it, Bedard of course leading the way, but how has Bedard's development on a crappy team been so far?

Sabres - Do I even need to say anything about this wretched franchise? They haven't finished above 5th since 2011, 14 years!! Never mind the star players they gave away, Eichel, Reinhart and of course the Flyers best defenseman Risto!

Let's do one more shall we, the mighty Anaheim Ducks. They have not finished above 6th place since 2017, that's 7 straight seasons. Again, they have Carlsson, and Gauthier, Zegras, MacTavish, and Zellweger, and what has it got them exactly? That's right, you guessed it, another top 10 pick this year.

The lesson that should be learned is if you strip down to the studs you have no winning culture or structure in place for these young players to develop in. That is why the Ducks are now getting players like Gudas, Trouba and Dumoulin, to start creating a more professional envorinment for their players to develop. The Flyers are doing it the right way, building the culture and identifying the veteran players that will promote that culture for their younger players to thrive. You will see a much different team next year, one that will make the playoffs within 3 years of Briere and Jones taking over, which is half the time of these other teams.
- jd250

If you think that is all those teams have I truly don’t know what to tell you. Rest assured tho they have much more. And for the love of god take buffalo out of the equation. They don’t have a player problem they have a management problem.

Are you kidding me?? Lets look at the botton 5-7 teams in the league shall we.

Sharks - Since finishing 2nd in 2018, the Sharks have not finished higher than 6th in the past 6 seasons! yes they have Celebrini and Smith to show for it, and will get another high draft pick this year, but 6 seasons, bottom of the league, and there is no guarantee just because they have high draft picks that they will be good anytime soon.

Blackhawks - Since finishing 1st in 2016, they have not finished better than 6th since then, that's a total of 8 seasons of near bottom or bottom finishes! Again, they have some young players to show for it, Bedard of course leading the way, but how has Bedard's development on a crappy team been so far?

Sabres - Do I even need to say anything about this wretched franchise? They haven't finished above 5th since 2011, 14 years!! Never mind the star players they gave away, Eichel, Reinhart and of course the Flyers best defenseman Risto!

Let's do one more shall we, the mighty Anaheim Ducks. They have not finished above 6th place since 2017, that's 7 straight seasons. Again, they have Carlsson, and Gauthier, Zegras, MacTavish, and Zellweger, and what has it got them exactly? That's right, you guessed it, another top 10 pick this year.

The lesson that should be learned is if you strip down to the studs you have no winning culture or structure in place for these young players to develop in. That is why the Ducks are now getting players like Gudas, Trouba and Dumoulin, to start creating a more professional envorinment for their players to develop. The Flyers are doing it the right way, building the culture and identifying the veteran players that will promote that culture for their younger players to thrive. You will see a much different team next year, one that will make the playoffs within 3 years of Briere and Jones taking over, which is half the time of these other teams.
- jd250

Do the Flyers have this winning culture you speak about?

The Flyers are doing it the right way. Good God almighty as now I have heard it all. You have outdone yourself today.

Replace him with whomever the Flyers get in return, or they open up a spot for Andrae, Grans or Ginning and actually development them.
- jd250

None of those are as good as York. 2 of which will never be NHL regulars.

York will be moved. Just a matter of when.

Its Tort's style. If he doesn't like the way you are playing and doesn't see improvement, he benches you. I highly doubt York was caught off guard by this. He hasn't played well pretty much this entire season, and I don't care how many minutes he plays a night, or what his underlining metrics state. York needs to be a man, step into Tort's office and defend himself. Don't coward out to the media, initiate a conversation, even a heated one, with the coach and figure out how to improve. This is what a professional athlete should do! Not cry to the media that no one told him how to improve. Anyone watching the games can see what York needs to improve. He came out of US hockey development as a power play QB and an offensive threat and yet with the Flyers we have seen basically none of this. York's assets are his smarts, speed and offensive skill, but where has that been this year? Drysdale, now that he can stay on the ice, has already passed him IMO.
- jd250

Flyers have stifled his offense. Flyers coaches have nothing to offer any player from
An offensive standpoint

Well, you said they would not make any trades...zero, nada, zilch for gutless Danny. They traded the Room....can't you at least be happy about that? Laughton is a 3rd/4th liner who has been a part of a losing team for years. I'm glad we got anything for him at this point.
- Don Nachbaur

It’s not that I’m not happy or approving of db moves at the deadline. In a vacuum he got relatively decent value for his moves. But it’s really low hanging fruit. Should we all be happy and get giddy that he made the most brain dead type moves that shouldn’t even be a doubt to be made? Isn’t a more concerning thought that we had to doubt IF he would make moves? Which of these moves gives anyone confidence they are turning their thought process around? These moves were as obvious as drafting mm at pick 7. Sorry but until I see a real move to show some sort of rebuild (doesn’t need to be complete tank ) I am only left to believe what their actions show. Which is marketing for profit. Look at the reports how their scouts were in live with gerbenkins. Db insisted on having him in trade. Not minten. Not Cowan. Telling isn’t it? Gerbenkins is a dream bottom 6 plug with huge personality philly can sell to a low iq base. But is he the elite or top end talent they continue to say they need? Not even close.

So what move could be made to change my opinion? Here’s idea trade tk. His no trade hasn’t kicked in. Or get rid of and stop giving these extensions to mid level to low level players like nd Seeler rp etc etc. stop sucking off cates like he’s anything. He’s mid at best. Stop literally shedding tears over trading players like laughts. Stop crying how this city would burn without risto. Maybe get rid of this horrible coach. Take rocky and throw him in the Delaware. Put jones mouthpiece back in the booth. One move on of itself mean mostly nothing or very little it’s gonna need to be a bunch of those type moves back to back to back to show a real commitment that maybe they finally get it.

But we all know that’s not happening so we are left with simply contempt. So happy? No. Just sad at looking at something I truly didn’t think I’d ever see with this team.

If you think that is all those teams have I truly don’t know what to tell you. Rest assured tho they have much more. And for the love of god take buffalo out of the equation. They don’t have a player problem they have a management problem.
- Stayin alive

The Flyers are Buffalo.

Flyers have stifled his offense. Flyers coaches have nothing to offer any player from
An offensive standpoint
- furio16

The top point producing flyers d man is rr a whopping 19 points he is 87? in the league

They have coached all the offense out of every d man

None of those are as good as York. 2 of which will never be NHL regulars.

York will be moved. Just a matter of when.
- furio16

This kerfuffle with Torts will lead to York being moved.

Who picks Anaheim, really.... But even if that is true, the Ducks still had to want Trouba, right? That's my point. The Ducks are realizing that you can't just have a team of 22 year olds runnning around the ice, you need to have a culture and structure. Look at how bad Drsydale was when he came to the Flyers? Look at how bad Zegras has been since his rookie season. You just can't ignore these simple facts.
- jd250

Here’s what you can’t understand because no offense you have no idea what a rebuild is. Did the Kings or Chicago or Pittsburgh or Colorado or Detroit NOT once look very very very young before their cup winning teams took off? Go look at those teams and how it took years upon years to draft those core elite high end players and how they were so young for years before roster was tinkered with to fill in holes to start winning cups.

So yes I want to see years of 20-22 year olds.
Like mm cutter to start. Oh wait they traded one of those. You know who doesn’t? See the list above.

Is there a link to the report? Maybe Toronto already promised Minten to Boston
- WhiskeyMan

There are reports it was briere that was insistent on gerbenkins. Their scouts were in live with him. He had to be in deal. It reaks of marketing ploy in future because of the players enigmatic personality