What you're saying isn't wrong in the sense of what attributes a team needs. And his 29 goals are very important to a team that does not score. But I have to agree with Rick here. Buffalo has assets, they are looking to break through their playoff drought. We need assets at every level. It could be a good fit and the right time for the Isles too make this move for the future of the team. Say for argument's sake Lee only pots 15 this year with isles. You look to move him at the deadline, and you are clearly getting less of a return then if you try and capitalize on his 29 goals.

Anyway, the way Darche was talking in the presser, it does not sound like the Captain is being moved anytime soon.
- Nfdbulldawg

Let the record state you would be agreeing with me.

Ok so saying 7 year deals shouldn’t be done is a wrong statement.
- nyisles7

The way prior management was handing out deals, yes, it was wrong. A seven (7) deal is meant for a special player. Not a third pairing defenseman or third line forward. Those positions should not be more than a 3-year deal. You handcuff your ability to move players if does not workout. You wind up paying even more because you have to add a draft pick or eat salary to move them.

Top third - 5 to 7 year deals. 8 if they are a McJesus type player.
Middle Third - 3 to 5 year deals.
Bottom Third - 1 to 3 year deals.

I’m going to go against the grain here a bit but I have a hard time believing Palmieri is going to have a ton of value at the TDL at 37. His play will more than likely take a huge hit over the next year or so. It’s not like his game outside of scoring has been overly impressive. I don’t dislike him and I’m fine with the contract due to me hoping the islanders are not trying to compete but more to retool. If it were the inverse I’d hope they would’ve moved on from him.
- Cptmjl

Capt, not saying he is bring back a 1st in next years draft. However a team looking to make a run and needing scoring depth. He could be a 3rd upping to a conditional 2nd depending on team progress. I also thought that if he has another year, the team receiving is not get a 30 day rental. So maybe instead of a 3rd it is a 2nd. I understand the age factor.

Let the record state you would be agreeing with me.
- Cptmjl

I have no issues with agreeing you. I have done it the past and I am not ashamed to admit that.

I have no issues with agreeing you. I have done it the past and I am not ashamed to admit that.
- Nfdbulldawg

This is my post KR was replying too:

“ I’ve said this in the past. The one team I could see looking into some of our vets is the Sabres. Team needs vets. Whether it’s ours or not is the question. I could see someone like Lee going there. Probably a pipe dream and I doubt JGP or Lee go anywhere till the deadline.”

Hasn’t come true and I’ve been saying it for a couple years now.
I still see it as a possibility. You would think the Sabres would pivot to adding a few playoff tested vets at some point to change the culture of the team. Hasn’t happened yet but hope springs eternal

I am interested in DeAngelo. If you sign DeAngelo you can look at moving Pullock off the right side. You get a more agile defenseman in DeAngelo

Pullock had 23 pts in 74 games at 30 yrs old. 3 Powerplay points
DeAngelo had 19 pts in 35 games at 29 yrs old. 4 Powerplay points

If you have DeAngelo for 70 games, you have a potential of 38 pts. You could probably Trade him to Utah to get back into the top 4 of the draft and grab Hagens. Or to any of the other top 10 teams in the draft.

Pulock is 6.1 Mil for the next fours. You might be able to sign DeAngelo for 5 Mil for 3 yrs. That is an extra 1.1 mil to play with.

This is my post KR was replying too:

“ I’ve said this in the past. The one team I could see looking into some of our vets is the Sabres. Team needs vets. Whether it’s ours or not is the question. I could see someone like Lee going there. Probably a pipe dream and I doubt JGP or Lee go anywhere till the deadline.”

Hasn’t come true and I’ve been saying it for a couple years now.
I still see it as a possibility. You would think the Sabres would pivot to adding a few playoff tested vets at some point to change the culture of the team. Hasn’t happened yet but hope springs eternal
- Cptmjl

The two organizations have trade history. So, you never know. Especially with a new sheriff in town.

https://clutchpoints.com/...iel-pageau-2025-offseason

Someone may have already posted and commented. If so sorry, did not see it. My two thoughts are, is Ritchie ready and is the third line the right spot for him.

https://clutchpoints.com/...iel-pageau-2025-offseason

Someone may have already posted and commented. If so sorry, did not see it. My two thoughts are, is Ritchie ready and is the third line the right spot for him.
- Nfdbulldawg

If there’s any truth to Lou not taking that offer from the Oilers he’s a total (frank)ing moron.

If there’s any truth to Lou not taking that offer from the Oilers he’s a total (frank)ing moron.
- Cptmjl

You can easily see this being true with the Oilers wanting to win a Cup and Lou had to be forced to move Nelson.

Even Collins? He seems like a pretty sharp guy.
- PeteM

Sadly, Collins is not majority owner. I think Collins is a sharp guy and wanted Lou out sooner. Malkin should just sign the checks and let Collins run things.

Who knows if it’s true. If it is we may never know. I can’t imagine Darche letting Chris stay after he committed to developing the AHL team and along with Collins in so many words said it was neglected by the old geezer. I doubt the team makes it a public spectacle when they fire him if this is true. It would be like smashing an egg on their own face. They’ll more than likely swallow his salary, thank chris for his time, and move on. The last thing I see Darche doing is keeping the old cronies son on who was the actual perpetrator.

But who knows? Maybe the owners keep him on due to some kind of misguided loyalty to Lou. I have a tough time believing that happens but this is the Islanders. Also, Pagnotta confirming this as well. Totally incoherent stuff.
- Cptmjl

The issue is not even if it is true or not. The issue is just trying to justify Chris L. It should be a slam dunk he did a lousy job and should not be kept. You have to call out bad moves whether it's done by Lou, Bill Torrey, or Joe Smith.

The way prior management was handing out deals, yes, it was wrong. A seven (7) deal is meant for a special player. Not a third pairing defenseman or third line forward. Those positions should not be more than a 3-year deal. You handcuff your ability to move players if does not workout. You wind up paying even more because you have to add a draft pick or eat salary to move them.

Top third - 5 to 7 year deals. 8 if they are a McJesus type player.
Middle Third - 3 to 5 year deals.
Bottom Third - 1 to 3 year deals.
- Nfdbulldawg

There should be no debate that Lou did a lousy job with contracts and the roster and put the team in a bad spot. Same thing he did with the Devils. Internet GM called these moves out when they happened. It's not second guessing. Internet GM's knew the problems the Islanders were going to be running into, and a Hall of Fame GM could not.

https://clutchpoints.com/...iel-pageau-2025-offseason

Someone may have already posted and commented. If so sorry, did not see it. My two thoughts are, is Ritchie ready and is the third line the right spot for him.
- Nfdbulldawg

JGP should be moved this offseason and Ritchie given 3C.

Capt, not saying he is bring back a 1st in next years draft. However a team looking to make a run and needing scoring depth. He could be a 3rd upping to a conditional 2nd depending on team progress. I also thought that if he has another year, the team receiving is not get a 30 day rental. So maybe instead of a 3rd it is a 2nd. I understand the age factor.
- Nfdbulldawg

If the reports that he has a full NTC this season are true, this whole conversation is moot.

If the reports that he has a full NTC this season are true, this whole conversation is moot.
- PeteM

You can take it to the Bank it’s true.

The issue is not even if it is true or not. The issue is just trying to justify Chris L. It should be a slam dunk he did a lousy job and should not be kept. You have to call out bad moves whether it's done by Lou, Bill Torrey, or Joe Smith.
- ses111

Just like anything else I don’t expect to agree with everything a GM does. That doesn’t mean I dislike them if they do something I don’t agree with. The peanut gallery will dwell on an observation to make some inane point to nobody. If the negative outweighs the positive is when those decisions start changing my opinion of a GM or anyone. Spelling out the simplistic helps the simple. I completely agree with what you are saying.

If the reports that he has a full NTC this season are true, this whole conversation is moot.
- PeteM

For the next TDL yes unless he waives it. The following season is when it would happen in all likely hood. If he has any value at all by then.

There should be no debate that Lou did a lousy job with contracts and the roster and put the team in a bad spot. Same thing he did with the Devils. Internet GM called these moves out when they happened. It's not second guessing. Internet GM's knew the problems the Islanders were going to be running into, and a Hall of Fame GM could not.
- ses111

Watch the simple minded praise Darche’s moves as their own like they did with Lou even though they will be the complete polar opposite as Lou’s. That’s going to be hysterical. That’s when you know someone’s opinion is based in something other than reality.

Just like anything else I don’t expect to agree with everything a GM does. That doesn’t mean I dislike them if they do something I don’t agree with. The peanut gallery will dwell on an observation to make some inane point to nobody. If the negative outweighs the positive is when those decisions start changing my opinion of a GM or anyone. Spelling out the simplistic helps the simple. I completely agree with what you are saying.
- Cptmjl

Nobody has a vendetta against Lou. People have a problem with bad decisions. The good feelings with Darche will not last if he starts making bad moves. Darche has a lot of work to do so nobody is expecting miracles right away.

Nobody has a vendetta against Lou. People have a problem with bad decisions. The good feelings with Darche will not last if he starts making bad moves. Darche has a lot of work to do so nobody is expecting miracles right away.
- ses111

Yes the simple pointed out if Lou traded for Makar this entire thread would’ve been unhappy implying we pan all and everything Lou does. Meanwhile everyone unanimously applauded the Nelson trade. But hey if you feel the need to make an insane point not based in reality with little to no audience go ahead. Everyone has to preface their posts with “some of what Lou did was good” to avoid dealing with incoherent posts and be labeled as negative. Whatever supports the adolescent mind.

The same mind that believes any and all teams hide rebuilding from their fans than calls the entire thread idiots in the same sentence. It’s like some have lived in a bubble their entire lives.

Yes the simple pointed out if Lou traded for Makar this entire thread would’ve been unhappy implying we pan all and everything Lou does. Meanwhile everyone unanimously applauded the Nelson trade. But hey if you feel the need to make an insane point not based in reality with little to no audience go ahead. Everyone has to preface their posts with “some of what Lou did was good” to avoid dealing with incoherent posts and be labeled as negative. Whatever supports the adolescent mind.
- Cptmjl

I praised Lou on how he handled the Robin contract. That was brilliant and we should have seen more of that Lou. We try to be fair and calls things out as needed. Lou does not get a pass because Garth was so bad. To be fair, Lou did not have to put up with those lousy owners so of the other Islander GM’s had to put up with.

I praised Lou on how he handled the Robin contract. That was brilliant and we should have seen more of that Lou. We try to be fair and calls things out as needed. Lou does not get a pass because Garth was so bad. To be fair, Lou did not have to put up with those lousy owners so of the other Islander GM’s had to put up with.
- ses111

Lou’s problem with the islanders is actually his MO. His reluctance to move on from aging, regressing, players was his undoing. Same thing he did with the Devils and Leafs. Coupled with some terrible extensions and unnecessarily added insane contracts the negatives outweighed the positives. He had to go. It wouldn’t have stopped. That I know. Palmieri still being here is all you need to see to validate it.

Lou’s problem with the islanders is actually his MO. His reluctance to move on from aging, regressing, players was his undoing. Same thing he did with the Devils and Leafs. Coupled with some terrible extensions and unnecessarily added insane contracts the negatives outweighed the positives. He had to go. It wouldn’t have stopped. That I know. Palmieri still being here is all you need to see to validate it.
- Cptmjl

It was clear the Islanders were headed towards trouble and Lou keep doubling down and he continued these things without Barry's coaching. You hire Lane Lambert, and you expected the Islanders to still be a legit team with pretty much the same roster?

It was clear the Islanders were headed towards trouble and Lou keep doubling down and he continued these things without Barry's coaching. You hire Lane Lambert, and you expected the Islanders to still be a legit team with pretty much the same roster?
- ses111

Lou had an opportunity to learn from past mistakes with his last two jobs. His stubbornness with a whole lot of arrogance mixed in I’ll assume led to the same results. He had an opportunity to quickly improve this team a few years back. There was a strong draft and we had some expiring contracts that could’ve returned some assets. Instead we extended aging, bad, players and gave up assets for Horvat. Don’t hate Horvat but not exactly enamored with him either. Teams that actually drafted that year are reaping the benefits and here we are starting over more than likely. He looked at a layup opportunity to improve the team long term and spit in its face. That’s when I was done with Lou.