It's not likely the Isles get him anyway, I just wonder if he would be a better fit on a different team.
- streaks

I feel like Marner is going to go to another team and you are going to see a different player. His playoff performance may be a product of playing in that pressure cooker.

I feel like Marner is going to go to another team and you are going to see a different player. His playoff performance may be a product of playing in that pressure cooker.
- Cptmjl

This is my take as well. He still produced at a point per game in playoffs and kills penalties. I just think in a different setting, reduced pressure could really benefit his game. Very unlikely the Isles get him, but I think he'd accelerate the retool and it wouldn't cost assets to obtain him. Just a lot of money

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- Gabe Athaus

Anyway, hope we get a front office this week

This is my take as well. He still produced at a point per game in playoffs and kills penalties. I just think in a different setting, reduced pressure could really benefit his game. Very unlikely the Isles get him, but I think he'd accelerate the retool and it wouldn't cost assets to obtain him. Just a lot of money
- streaks

You have to wonder if the owners are willing to forgo next season for a chance at first overall again? Part of me thinks they may hire a GM that’s willing to develop what we have already and what we will after this draft. Then try to add via trade and FA to have a competitive team next year? I hope that’s not the case next draft is when we really want to have picks and I believe we have an opportunity to add to them potentially with Pageau and Lee going to FA next year.

Depending on what kind of seasons they have we could probably add some picks for next years draft even though most GM’s will be more reluctant to give up first rd picks.

You have to wonder if the owners are willing to forgo next season for a chance at first overall again? Part of me thinks they may hire a GM that’s willing to develop what we have already and what we will after this draft. Then try to add via trade and FA to have a competitive team next year? I hope that’s not the case next draft is when we really want to have picks and o think we have an opportunity to add to them potentially with Pageau and Lee going to FA next year.m

Depending on what kind of seasons they have we could probably add some picks for next years draft even though most GM’s will be more reluctant to give up first rd picks.
- Cptmjl

If Lee can get around 30g again I could absolutely see a team expecting to have a late 1st paying up for him. He's big, he plays up and down the lineup, and he scores the kind of greasy, net-front goals that you need in the playoffs. Pageau almost certainly not getting a 1st unless he has a surprising season offensively. Crazier things have happened in a contract year, but I'm not banking on it.

I think the new regime needs to prioritize figuring out how to start ridding themselves of some of these awful deals. Starting with Engvall and Mayfield and probably looking at Duclair, Pulock and Pelech not long after. Not to say it all needs to happen year 1, but they're going to need to start figuring it out sooner than later.

I feel like Marner is going to go to another team and you are going to see a different player. His playoff performance may be a product of playing in that pressure cooker.
- Cptmjl

I agree that the pressure is crazy in Toronto. But I believe it’s just a character flaw with Marner and the rest of the core 4. Rumor has it last year in the playoffs Justin Bieber was in the lockeroom until Ryan O’reilly told him he didnt belong. That summer O’reilly left the leafs. Last night’s game had beiber front row behind the bench which gives credence to that rumor. Those guys are more interested in their outfits to the game than the actual game.

If Lee can get around 30g again I could absolutely see a team expecting to have a late 1st paying up for him. He's big, he plays up and down the lineup, and he scores the kind of greasy, net-front goals that you need in the playoffs. Pageau almost certainly not getting a 1st unless he has a surprising season offensively. Crazier things have happened in a contract year, but I'm not banking on it.

I think the new regime needs to prioritize figuring out how to start ridding themselves of some of these awful deals. Starting with Engvall and Mayfield and probably looking at Duclair, Pulock and Pelech not long after. Not to say it all needs to happen year 1, but they're going to need to start figuring it out sooner than later.
- Gabe Athaus

I thought they shoulda traded Lee at the deadline but what do I know. His highest value is at a trade deadline with a team looking to make a run. After seeing what the isles got for Brock I don’t see how they didn’t sell anything not nailed down.

I thought they shoulda traded Lee at the deadline but what do I know. His highest value is at a trade deadline with a team looking to make a run. After seeing what the isles got for Brock I don’t see how they didn’t sell anything not nailed down.
- kindlyrick

I do too, I would have sold a lot more at the deadline. Maybe whoever takes the front office job does look to move him this summer but I'm not banking on it. They had better hope he has another strong year because if he doesn't then he doesn't have a whole lot of value at the deadline.

But this offseason they should really try to begin purging the bad contracts and then start looking for value adds through free agency or trades to start building for the future.

I do too, I would have sold a lot more at the deadline. Maybe whoever takes the front office job does look to move him this summer but I'm not banking on it. They had better hope he has another strong year because if he doesn't then he doesn't have a whole lot of value at the deadline.

But this offseason they should really try to begin purging the bad contracts and then start looking for value adds through free agency or trades to start building for the future.
- Gabe Athaus

I’m curious to see what happens with Duclair. You don’t see players just leaving without either a death or checking into the leagues substance abuse programs. They mutually agreed to his absence so the contract isn’t voided…..I guess he’s still an islander?

I’m curious to see what happens with Duclair. You don’t see players just leaving without either a death or checking into the leagues substance abuse programs. They mutually agreed to his absence so the contract isn’t voided…..I guess he’s still an islander?
- kindlyrick

He is as far as any of us know.

We'll see if the new GM/President keep Roy around, because if he doesn't want to play for Roy then we'll see him moved sooner than later. Who knows what happened there but I'm not going to assume anything until we hear some sort of news about him.

He is as far as any of us know.

We'll see if the new GM/President keep Roy around, because if he doesn't want to play for Roy then we'll see him moved sooner than later. Who knows what happened there but I'm not going to assume anything until we hear some sort of news about him.
- Gabe Athaus

That entire situation is bush league. Roy shouldn’t have thrown his player under the bus and Duclair should have finished the season.

That entire situation is bush league. Roy shouldn’t have thrown his player under the bus and Duclair should have finished the season.
- kindlyrick

Obviously don't have all the info, but Duclair really was pretty terrible all year. He got hurt early and who knows if that lingered, but I honestly don't totally hate Roy calling him out. Maybe not the best look, but this team has gotten way too complacent over the years and it was refreshing to hear that from a coach. Duclair was certainly not the only one deserving and maybe it was unfair to single him out, but still nice to hear the coach objectively evaluate a player's performance.

Obviously don't have all the info, but Duclair really was pretty terrible all year. He got hurt early and who knows if that lingered, but I honestly don't totally hate Roy calling him out. Maybe not the best look, but this team has gotten way too complacent over the years and it was refreshing to hear that from a coach. Duclair was certainly not the only one deserving and maybe it was unfair to single him out, but still nice to hear the coach objectively evaluate a player's performance.
- Gabe Athaus

I’m fine with the coach scratching a player or limiting ice time. I don’t think the public criticism is healthy but that’s just me. The problem as I see it was that Roy seemed to have a different opinion on players than the GM who was ultimately the decision maker. The coach should have full say on his players and his assistants. If Roy wanted to scratch Engvall or Duclair he should be able to without the GM forcing his roster decisions.

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I’m fine with the coach scratching a player or limiting ice time. I don’t think the public criticism is healthy but that’s just me. The problem as I see it was that Roy seemed to have a different opinion on players than the GM who was ultimately the decision maker. The coach should have full say on his players and his assistants. If Roy wanted to scratch Engvall or Duclair he should be able to without the GM forcing his roster decisions.
- kindlyrick

It's not an unfair opinion and I don't totally disagree. Probably not what I would've done, but I can just appreciate the honesty.

I still don't know what to make of Roy. He inherited an average roster and did an average job. He hasn't been bad but he hasn't really been great either. I suspect he'll be kept on board for next year and then they'll see where they're at with him.

It's not an unfair opinion and I don't totally disagree. Probably not what I would've done, but I can just appreciate the honesty.

I still don't know what to make of Roy. He inherited an average roster and did an average job. He hasn't been bad but he hasn't really been great either. I suspect he'll be kept on board for next year and then they'll see where they're at with him.
- Gabe Athaus

Pretty much how I feel about Roy. Don’t dislike the guy but not enamored with him either. If they keep him on fine if they fire him I’m fine with that also. Just kind of indifferent. Probably the best plan is to keep him on for one more year and see how he does with whatever roster we wind up with. Either way this should be a throwaway season. Come next years draft is when decisions should be made whether he stays or not imo.

Pretty much how I feel about Roy. Don’t dislike the guy but not enamored with him either. If they keep him on fine if they fire him I’m fine with that also. Just kind of indifferent. Probably the best plan is to keep him on for one more year and see how he does with whatever roster we wind up with. Either way this should be a throwaway season. Come next years draft is when decisions should be made whether he stays or not imo.
- Cptmjl

Yea I would say the next couple seasons nobody should be overly concerned with the final result. We should be in that mode now where a "good" season is one in which the young players progress in their development and management makes smart decisions with an eye on 3-5 years down the line. If we get another high draft pick or two to add a premier prospect into the pipeline, that's great.

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- Gabe Athaus

Matt
@Spazemunky
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May 12, 2023
Thank you for not deleting this tweet. It’s like a tradition now every year to revisit it. Like fireworks on the 4th of July.


Mike
@DynoDangle
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May 14, 2022
This is an NFT I'd buy

Pretty much how I feel about Roy. Don’t dislike the guy but not enamored with him either. If they keep him on fine if they fire him I’m fine with that also. Just kind of indifferent. Probably the best plan is to keep him on for one more year and see how he does with whatever roster we wind up with. Either way this should be a throwaway season. Come next years draft is when decisions should be made whether he stays or not imo.
- Cptmjl

Yeah, Roy hasn't worked any miracles, but then again you work with what you have, so I'm perfectly fine giving him some more time with a new direction and seeing if he can instill a good work ethic in a younger lineup. That's what will probably be most important over the next season or two, depending on the direction the new management takes.

When Roy first came in, it was a definite shot in the arm, but you'd expect that with a coaching change. Since then, there hasn't been a dramatic change in results from when Lambert was coach. I'm not saying there's no difference between Roy and Lambert; I just think the results we've seen across both coaches are what you're going to get out of this team...barely making it into the playoffs or barely missing out. An exceptional coach like Trotz can probably wring out a bit more, but even he couldn't get the team into the dance his last year coaching.

Ownership had better Shanaban the Shanaplan

E.J. Hradek
@EJHradek_NHL
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With @MapleLeafs President & Alternate Governor Brendan Shanahan’s contract set to expire on June 30 (as reported by @StapeAthletic), I could see him sliding into an upper management role with the @NYIslanders. Interesting times ahead!

Ownership had better Shanaban the Shanaplan

E.J. Hradek
@EJHradek_NHL
2m
With @MapleLeafs President & Alternate Governor Brendan Shanahan’s contract set to expire on June 30 (as reported by @StapeAthletic), I could see him sliding into an upper management role with the @NYIslanders. Interesting times ahead!
- Gabe Athaus

Yeah agreed. How do you look at Brendan Shanahans 10 year stint as Leafs president and decide he’s the guy for the job. His legacy is never seeing the 3rd round as POHO

Ownership had better Shanaban the Shanaplan

E.J. Hradek
@EJHradek_NHL
2m
With @MapleLeafs President & Alternate Governor Brendan Shanahan’s contract set to expire on June 30 (as reported by @StapeAthletic), I could see him sliding into an upper management role with the @NYIslanders. Interesting times ahead!
- Gabe Athaus

It's not clear if Shanahan was forced by ownership to keep the Core 4 together and it's not clear if Brendan had control over the roster. Maybe JT was forced on him as well? You would think as a player, Brendan would know what it took to win.

Yeah agreed. How do you look at Brendan Shanahans 10 year stint as Leafs president and decide he’s the guy for the job. His legacy is never seeing the 3rd round as POHO
- kindlyrick

It's been proven for years that is very difficult to win with the Leafs. I would not have a huge problem with Shanahan as President. Maybe ownership has been the biggest issue? Maybe Brendan learned a lot from the Leafs job and the Islanders owners will not meddle like the Leafs owners may have?