This Flyers apologist mindset is what happens when Flyers fans grow up drinking the cool-aid and then become "journalists".

I got to be honest, that was a great hockey game last night! It was real hockey and both teams wanted it. Right off the bat, this is a better product than any all-star game or all-star weekend!

The GM has said recently they are out of the rebuilding phase and into the building phase.
- Striiker

No he didn't! Briere stated when asked they are in both phases, still evaluating players while also looking for options to add players with high upside that fits their timeline.

Next game...scratch Marchand, insert Bennett, elevate Konecny to top 6 and replace Stone or Marner.

Back to the original topic...Konecny being put on the 4th line kind of reminds me of what the coach of the JR team did with Luschanko. My first take would be to agree with the profile of the players coming from the Flyers (good offensively due to being good defensively, but not superstar pedigree)
But then I think that Luschanko had the only goal against the Latvian goalie, but didn't get a chance in the shootout that went 8 levels deep. Then they cry they lost. Coaching is not just about assigning playing time or opportunities by stats. It is also feel - who has the hot hand? Who has been the most effective? Or more effective for a given aspect of the game etc.
Type casting is not the trademark of a great coach. I think Konecny, given the chance could possibly do more than what they're expecting (pk, "energy player" etc.), if he gets a chance. How would they know? He's never had the chance to play with elite players. I'm willing to bet his game would benefit, and so would theirs and hence the team. If I was a coach looking for an X factor, this could be it. But given the star power on the Canada team, feel like they don't need it. That was the mistake of the JR coach. Thought they had it in the "bag".
- BluehorseShoe64

TK was on the 3rd line actually. The 4th line had Braydon Point and Brad Marchand. Are they both players that are "good offensively due to being good defensively, but not superstar pedigree"? Give me a break already!

This forum has truly become the fellowship of the miserable ...

This forum has truly become the fellowship of the miserable ...
- jd250

Or an orange kool aid drinking cult. It's about 50/50

This forum has truly become the fellowship of the miserable ...
- jd250

Very true, no matter what the flyers organization did, ppl will still complain.

Can't make everyone happy, but what I love is all the Monday morning superstars who think they know everything, just sell everything and tank, like look at blackhawks they in year 5 of rebuild and still doing nothing, they have years of top picks and still a nhl worst team.

I rather watch my flyers try and lose some games then be a whipping stock of the entire league while hoping eventually they turn the corner.

Yes you can get great talent picking 1 st over all but how good is bedard when the rest of the team sucks and there other high picks are not develop yet

TK was on the 3rd line actually. The 4th line had Braydon Point and Brad Marchand. Are they both players that are "good offensively due to being good defensively, but not superstar pedigree"? Give me a break already!
- jd250

By both ice time and designation, TK was the 4th line.

I got to be honest, that was a great hockey game last night! It was real hockey and both teams wanted it. Right off the bat, this is a better product than any all-star game or all-star weekend!
- jd250

What did you think of TK getting the lowest ice time on the team, no shots and a -2?

I would expect him scratched and Bennett in in the next game. I am deathly ill right now, and went to bed at the start of the second, so I don't know how he looked for the last 2 periods, but he was mostly invisible in the first.
Sanheim should play now Theodore is out.

Very true, no matter what the flyers organization did, ppl will still complain.

Can't make everyone happy, but what I love is all the Monday morning superstars who think they know everything, just sell everything and tank, like look at blackhawks they in year 5 of rebuild and still doing nothing, they have years of top picks and still a nhl worst team.

I rather watch my flyers try and lose some games then be a whipping stock of the entire league while hoping eventually they turn the corner.

Yes you can get great talent picking 1 st over all but how good is bedard when the rest of the team sucks and there other high picks are not develop yet
- SlNlSTER

I would rather be the Blackhawks. They already have their 1c and 1d in the pipe. They have a much deeper prospect pool. They are YEARS ahead of the Flyers in their rebuild.

TK was on the 3rd line actually. The 4th line had Braydon Point and Brad Marchand. Are they both players that are "good offensively due to being good defensively, but not superstar pedigree"? Give me a break already!
- jd250

This shows him as a 4th liner...
https://www.habseyesonthe...v-listings-online-stream/

So does this:
https://www.dailyfaceoff....-canada/line-combinations

TK was -2, and played the least amount of time next to Theodore who was hurt. I fully expect TK to be scratched and Bennett in next game.

By both ice time and designation, TK was the 4th line.
- MBFlyerfan

Exactly. Expect TK out and Bennett in next game.

Very true, no matter what the flyers organization did, ppl will still complain.

Can't make everyone happy, but what I love is all the Monday morning superstars who think they know everything, just sell everything and tank, like look at blackhawks they in year 5 of rebuild and still doing nothing, they have years of top picks and still a nhl worst team.

I rather watch my flyers try and lose some games then be a whipping stock of the entire league while hoping eventually they turn the corner.

Yes you can get great talent picking 1 st over all but how good is bedard when the rest of the team sucks and there other high picks are not develop yet
- SlNlSTER

One player cannot do it alone in this league no matter how generational they may be. Look at how long Edmonton had MacDavid and Draisaitl together before finally got smart and built a team around them.

The Buffalo Sabres are the poster child for doing it badly. Since 2012, the Sabres have picked 8th overall, 2nd, 2nd, 8th, 8th, 1st, 7th, 8th, 1st, 9th, 13th, and 14th. That 12 years of Suck! Actually make that 13 years of Suck because right now tank-a-thon projects the Sabres to pick 4th. This is the mistake of tanking every year.

The Sharks I think are doing it the right way and I don't expect them to be in this situation much longer. In the past two drafts they have added Will Smith, Quentin Musty, Mack Celebrini and Sam D!ckinson, which are all great picks and players with high upsides. They are projected to have the number 1 pick this year, so I expect that after this season the Sharks will be a wagon for years to come with this core of players.

This is what the Flyers need to do. They got Michkov, Bonk and Luchanko the past two drafts, plus this kid Gill they got in the 2nd round looks like he will be a player. The Flyers need to tank hard in this draft to get another top end talent or two and then they have the young core they can build around as they develop together.

Very true, no matter what the flyers organization did, ppl will still complain.

Can't make everyone happy, but what I love is all the Monday morning superstars who think they know everything, just sell everything and tank, like look at blackhawks they in year 5 of rebuild and still doing nothing, they have years of top picks and still a nhl worst team.

I rather watch my flyers try and lose some games then be a whipping stock of the entire league while hoping eventually they turn the corner.

Yes you can get great talent picking 1 st over all but how good is bedard when the rest of the team sucks and there other high picks are not develop yet
- SlNlSTER

The Chicago Blackhawks are going to be a powerhouse in just a couple of years. Bank on it. They are loaded with talented prospects that aren't in the big leagues right now ...Frank Nazar should have been on the team all year...he is over a PPG in the AHL...they are holding out their talented young guys for 1 more high draft pick.

They are going to be scary good.

I would rather be the Blackhawks. They already have their 1c and 1d in the pipe. They have a much deeper prospect pool. They are YEARS ahead of the Flyers in their rebuild.
- MBFlyerfan

We'll see how Moore and Nazar develop, but clearly Bedard and Artyom Levshunov are pillars to build around.

Very true, no matter what the flyers organization did, ppl will still complain.

Can't make everyone happy, but what I love is all the Monday morning superstars who think they know everything, just sell everything and tank, like look at blackhawks they in year 5 of rebuild and still doing nothing, they have years of top picks and still a nhl worst team.

I rather watch my flyers try and lose some games then be a whipping stock of the entire league while hoping eventually they turn the corner.

Yes you can get great talent picking 1 st over all but how good is bedard when the rest of the team sucks and there other high picks are not develop yet
- SlNlSTER

The one thing I can say as there are two people on this page that literally eat up everything this team says and does - and you are one of them. Using Bedard is funny b/c they did tear it down to the studs and there is history the Hawks know how to tank.

What you continue to fail to recognize is most people feel as though this team is doing exactly what they have done for the last decade plus. Argue all you want but Torts is mishandling MM39, admittedly does not coach offense and plays a very basic north/south system. He also admittedly knows nothing about goaltending, favors below average vets over kids with skill and still employs Rocky. They are still tied for dead last in the division and the teams ahead of them average about 2 games in hand on the Flyers.

They have 24 wins tied w Utah and the Ducks. 16 wins in regulation. They have a 0.04% chance of making the 2nd wildcard.

So please tell me what this team has achieved over the past two years except evaluating players. This draft is not going to be the savior the flyers and the fans want it to be. It is a mediocre draft at best.

One player cannot do it alone in this league no matter how generational they may be. Look at how long Edmonton had MacDavid and Draisaitl together before finally got smart and built a team around them.

The Buffalo Sabres are the poster child for doing it badly. Since 2012, the Sabres have picked 8th overall, 2nd, 2nd, 8th, 8th, 1st, 7th, 8th, 1st, 9th, 13th, and 14th. That 12 years of Suck! Actually make that 13 years of Suck because right now tank-a-thon projects the Sabres to pick 4th. This is the mistake of tanking every year.

The Sharks I think are doing it the right way and I don't expect them to be in this situation much longer. In the past two drafts they have added Will Smith, Quentin Musty, Mack Celebrini and Sam D!ckinson, which are all great picks and players with high upsides. They are projected to have the number 1 pick this year, so I expect that after this season the Sharks will be a wagon for years to come with this core of players.

This is what the Flyers need to do. They got Michkov, Bonk and Luchanko the past two drafts, plus this kid Gill they got in the 2nd round looks like he will be a player. The Flyers need to tank hard in this draft to get another top end talent or two and then they have the young core they can build around as they develop together.
- jd250

The Sabres are the exception to the rule, not the norm.

Projected to be a #4 dman.

Just for the record, the Flyers have been spinning their wheels like this since the early 2000.....coming up on 25 years of incompetance.

By both ice time and designation, TK was the 4th line.
- MBFlyerfan

He didn't start out that way, he was on the 3rd line out there in the 1st period.

The Sabres are the exception to the rule, not the norm.

Projected to be a #4 dman.

Just for the record, the Flyers have been spinning their wheels like this since the early 2000.....coming up on 25 years of incompetance.
- TheFreak

Ok, I grant you that the Flyers have been spinning their wheels for 24 years. But this is a new group that is managing the team and they seem hellbent NOT to make the same mistakes of the past. They have been on the job about 2 years and have done nothing to resemble the previous regimes. So I think we need to give them this off season to see what happens and then judge them on what the team and system look like going into next season.

Speaking of which, I was looking at San Jose's farm system and noted this guy is at the top of their depth charts:

https://www.eliteprospect...er/779993/igor-chernyshov

WTF was Briere thinking by trading his late 1st round pick for this year when this guy was available, and he is a LW which the Flyers desperately need?

Regarding Gill, nothing wrong with getting a 2nd pairing defenseman in the 2nd round, that's solid value.

One player cannot do it alone in this league no matter how generational they may be. Look at how long Edmonton had MacDavid and Draisaitl together before finally got smart and built a team around them.

The Buffalo Sabres are the poster child for doing it badly. Since 2012, the Sabres have picked 8th overall, 2nd, 2nd, 8th, 8th, 1st, 7th, 8th, 1st, 9th, 13th, and 14th. That 12 years of Suck! Actually make that 13 years of Suck because right now tank-a-thon projects the Sabres to pick 4th. This is the mistake of tanking every year.

The Sharks I think are doing it the right way and I don't expect them to be in this situation much longer. In the past two drafts they have added Will Smith, Quentin Musty, Mack Celebrini and Sam D!ckinson, which are all great picks and players with high upsides. They are projected to have the number 1 pick this year, so I expect that after this season the Sharks will be a wagon for years to come with this core of players.

This is what the Flyers need to do. They got Michkov, Bonk and Luchanko the past two drafts, plus this kid Gill they got in the 2nd round looks like he will be a player. The Flyers need to tank hard in this draft to get another top end talent or two and then they have the young core they can build around as they develop together.
- jd250

It SHOULD be Michkov, Buium, and Perreault. But whatever.

It SHOULD be Michkov, Buium, and Perreault. But whatever.
- MBFlyerfan

I don't know what your infacuation with Perreault is, I really don't. Have you watch this guy play? As I mentioned the other day, he is an OK player that nothing about him stands out. If he was Leonard I would absolutely agree with you, but Perreault is no where close. Give me a potential top 4 RHS shot defenseman any day of the week. Buium versus Luchanko will be an interesting thing to watch over the next few years. I think both will be very good NHL players.

Ok, I grant you that the Flyers have been spinning their wheels for 24 years. But this is a new group that is managing the team and they seem hellbent NOT to make the same mistakes of the past. They have been on the job about 2 years and have done nothing to resemble the previous regimes. So I think we need to give them this off season to see what happens and then judge them on what the team and system look like going into next season.

Speaking of which, I was looking at San Jose's farm system and noted this guy is at the top of their depth charts:

https://www.eliteprospect...er/779993/igor-chernyshov

WTF was Briere thinking by trading his late 1st round pick for this year when this guy was available, and he is a LW which the Flyers desperately need?

Regarding Gill, nothing wrong with getting a 2nd pairing defenseman in the 2nd round, that's solid value.
- jd250

Nothing wrong with Gill at this point, needs to add a tonne of weight to his frame, but he is having a good year. Your comment about him, including him with Luchenko and Bonk came across like he is a top prospect and he is not.

Signing older depth players to extensions with NTC's isn't like the Flyers from before? I see no difference. Danny learnt under Fletcher, and his signings are Fletcheresche.

I don't know what your infacuation with Perreault is, I really don't. Have you watch this guy play? As I mentioned the other day, he is an OK player that nothing about him stands out. If he was Leonard I would absolutely agree with you, but Perreault is no where close. Give me a potential top 4 RHS shot defenseman any day of the week. Buium versus Luchanko will be an interesting thing to watch over the next few years. I thikn both will be very good NHL players.
- jd250

LOL, he is better than Jay O'brien.

Yes, I do watch him. Every day of the week and twice on Sunday I would take Perreault over Luchanko, and Buium over Bonk. It's not even close.

Nothing wrong with Gill at this point, needs to add a tonne of weight to his frame, but he is having a good year. Your comment about him, including him with Luchenko and Bonk came across like he is a top prospect and he is not.

Signing older depth players to extensions with NTC's isn't like the Flyers from before? I see no difference. Danny learnt under Fletcher, and his signings are Fletcheresche.
- TheFreak

I don't think it is an let me tell you why. You still need players to play the games while the team is rebuilding, and you do want to have good veteran players around the younger prospects to teach them how to be good pros. None of these players have stopped younger players from entering the lineup if they are ready. Hathaway and Poehling for example are solid bottom 6 forwards. They are not going to block a player like Luchanko who the Flyers want to see in the top 6. Johnsson is a solid pro and the 8th defenseman on this team. Before recent injuries to the Flyers defense, he didn't play for months. Seeler is another solid pro that can play in the bottom pair and will not block any player when they are ready.

The fact is, the Flyers really didn't have much a prospect pool when Briere took over and besides Andrae there really wasn't anyone ready to take a spot on the NHL roster. Andrae is here now and I don't expect he will be returned to the Phantoms again. Grans and Ginning are developing but I don't think either are ready to supplant a veteran on this team yet. No forwards really to speak of from the Phantoms puounding at the door. The cupboards were pretty bare when Briere took this thing over.

I am encouraged that Risto sat out the 4 nations because that tell me the Flyers want to trade him this deadline and do not want to risk another injury. Laughton will also be dealt, and I suspect Deslauriers will be dealt for a 7th round pick or something. This is what the Flyers must do to maximize their chances in this draft.