Torts gets credit for guys who have played well. Guys who have played bad not his fault.
- furio16

Come on we all know that frosty and farabe were not good players. Lycksel is not an NHL player. All the other young guys just sucked -- BUT let me tell you about how good the flyers draft

If Torts remains in the organization giving up HC title, does he lose say? The current structure is a triumvirate that reports to Hilf. In fact, I would suggest the HC has more authority then Jones to build the team. With Torts ego, is he an equal.of the GM still in a new role? If I'm Briere I would be very concerned if his authority gets cut further with a new HC taking over for Torts. Torts gets kicked upstairs and has influence in a new title. I would be very surprised if Torts would be satisfied in some consultant role as Bob Murray.
- Trox88

Torts seems like a megalomaniac but is also turning 67 years old in June. I doubt he’s going to put in the amount of work necessary to have a huge say in the personnel. I think Bob Murray level is what he will be.

Torts gets credit for guys who have played well. Guys who have played bad not his fault.
- furio16

Torts has created quite an image for himself that the media will not touch. Obviously, he is a d!ck as a HC. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that fact, but with the caveat it is because he cares so much. Interesting, Scotty Bowman was known to be a d!ck HC, yet never had the caveat its because he cared so much. He did not need to have that caveat because he won consistently and his teams were Stanley Cup contenders. Torts has not really been on a contending team since the Rangers, there has to be a caveat to justify his employment as a HC. He won 1 round in the playoffs with a CLB that was pretty loaded. Not fair to minimize his career overall just because his expiration date has expired many years ago. For this team, it is time to move on, ASAP.

More importantly, a non-playoff team that is constantly up against the cap is not a destination. Hard to attract free agents when you've already spent all your cash on players you continue to pay despite them not being on your roster.
- BaronVonShiznit

The Gold Standard of Stupidity

facts do not matter to the derpy's
- corduroy

Apparently they don't matter to you, all you do is criticize but have yet come to any solution.

You saying draft a player that's a number 1 d but that player drop in the draft and you really can't figure out why. Maybe there is reasons

It seems you have as much knowledge as fletcher

Never mind how well Torts developed Panarin, or Werenski in Columbus. It's complete nonsense to state Torts can't coach offense and shows a complete lack of understanding of the NHL game.
- jd250

Out of curiosity, how did Torts develop Panarin?

Panarin was drafted by CHI and was averaging 30 goals and 77 pts before he went to Columbus for 2 years and while he averaged more assists, couldn't quite get back to 30 goals. It's only been with the Rangers, where's been the majority of his career, that he's been up in the 90s and up to 120 in points.

The cup of coffee he had with the blue jackets did not "make" Panarin. He was a very good player before his brief stay with Columbus and got out of there as soon as he could.

Come on we all know that frosty and farabe were not good players. Lycksel is not an NHL player. All the other young guys just sucked -- BUT let me tell you about how good the flyers draft
- corduroy

Listen both of those 2 had skills though it wasn't happening for them here. That is on both the player and organization.

I think they will be solid with different coaching. Ollie isnt an NHL regular. Would I rather give him shot the rest of the way just to make sure? Yes. They won't. Need some ND.

Torts has created quite an image for himself that the media will not touch. Obviously, he is a d!ck as a HC. Pretty much everyone acknowledges that fact, but with the caveat it is because he cares so much. Interesting, Scotty Bowman was known to be a d!ck HC, yet never had the caveat its because he cared so much. He did not need to that caveat because he won consistently and his teams were Stanley Cup contenders. Torts has not really been on a contending team since the Rangers, there has to be a caveat to justify his employment as a HC. He won 1 round in the playoffs with a CLB that was pretty loaded. Not fair to minimize his career overall just because his expiration date has expired many years ago. For this team, it is time to move on, ASAP.
- Trox88

State run propaganda

Torts seems like a megalomaniac but is also turning 67 years old in June. I doubt he’s going to put in the amount of work necessary to have a huge say in the personnel. I think Bob Murray level is what he will be.
- psuhockey

I really hope you are right. My pause was last season Torts taking it upon himself to sit in the press box to watch games next to Briere. He knew what he was doing, the perception he was trying to convey. He is equal to Briere. I do believe we will have our answers this summer.

Apparently they don't matter to you, all you do is criticize but have yet come to any solution.

You saying draft a player that's a number 1 d but that player drop in the draft and you really can't figure out why. Maybe there is reasons

It seems you have as much knowledge as fletcher
- SlNlSTER

Solution was to trade expiring contracts not extend them. Solution was to sign Cutter and let him burn a year of his ELC.

Solution was not to try to make the playoffs last year -- they should have been playing kids that the team ACTUALLY DRAFTED and then draft in the top 5 again - not 12th

I have given plenty of ways to solve the problem but you and the other derps refuse to listen and want to toe the company line

Torts seems like a megalomaniac but is also turning 67 years old in June. I doubt he’s going to put in the amount of work necessary to have a huge say in the personnel. I think Bob Murray level is what he will be.
- psuhockey

Why does it have to be a huge amount of work to say whether you like a player or not? It's about power, not hard work or being good at it. I'm sure his gut has an opinion on most players but more concerning is the types of players they look for and how they value them. Torts wouldn't even have to get up from a nap to help with the direction of the Flyers.

Remember when the Flyers hired a firm to conduct their coaching search. Wonder if they are still in business. Remember when the Flyers didn't even interview anyone for the GM job and hired Danny? Don't feel like searching for that quote made by "Hilf" about how he knew Danny was his guy.

Never mind how well Torts developed Panarin, or Werenski in Columbus. It's complete nonsense to state Torts can't coach offense and shows a complete lack of understanding of the NHL game.
- jd250

You realize Panarin was already 26-yo with multiple point per game NHL seasons under his belt before he even met Torts, right? Lol.

And Werenski broke out after Torts left.

I really hope you are right. My pause was last season Torts taking it upon himself to sit in the press box to watch games next to Briere. He knew what he was doing, the perception he was trying to convey. He is equal to Briere. I do believe we will have our answers this summer.
- Trox88

I am guessing Briere didn’t take that well at least looking at his body language.

It will be interesting with what happens with Tortorella going forward. He was hired as a marketing ploy to appease season ticket holders which he did. Briere and Jones were stuck with him regardless of whether they liked him or not since they were still paying Vigneault until the end of last year. And GM’s only get so many coaching hires so why waste one when the team is going to be a dumpster fire. This summer will be interesting.

Apparently they don't matter to you, all you do is criticize but have yet come to any solution.

You saying draft a player that's a number 1 d but that player drop in the draft and you really can't figure out why. Maybe there is reasons

It seems you have as much knowledge as fletcher
- SlNlSTER

There were plenty of reasons.


https://www.flohockey.tv/...e-minnesota-wild-at-no-12

Apparently they don't matter to you, all you do is criticize but have yet come to any solution.

You saying draft a player that's a number 1 d but that player drop in the draft and you really can't figure out why. Maybe there is reasons

It seems you have as much knowledge as fletcher
- SlNlSTER

The reason is that it was a deep draft at the top for dmen. The year to pick a #1 dman if you want one. Every dman picked before Buium has a projected ceiling of #1 dman (including Buium). If you have 6 dmen at the top of a draft projected to all be #1 dmen, one of them will end up being #6 even though they are ranked fairly evenly. One might be more aggressive, one might be 6'4", etc. It all came down to preference but none of them, at the time of the picks, could be criticized no matter which you picked.

It's so stupid that this is still being debated. If Richardinson had been the 6th picked dman and the Flyers had taken him, everyone, including you would've supported the pick. There would be no debate as to why was Richardinson still there or questioning the pick.

All this fact free whining of "the flyers must've known something we don't" or "why was he there to be picked at all if he's so good" is freaking ridiculous. They don't and anyone of the top 6 could've been there without it being questioned.

I do hope the next HC is not part of the Torts sphere of influence. I believe Brad Shaw is a fine assistant coach, but he has not been a HC since Cincinnati '02-'03 season in the AHL. Rocky well, thanks for applying. Woodcroft was around the organization, not opposed. Most of his career under McLellan. I do not think the Flyers have a shot at David Carle. If Mike Johnson becomes available, not really interested. Should be an interesting summer, hopefully not a disappointing center with the HC position.

There were plenty of reasons.


https://www.flohockey.tv/...e-minnesota-wild-at-no-12
- MBFlyerfan

the Philadelphia Flyers traded out of the spot for the low price of a third-round draft pick from the Minnesota Wild. Danny is tough negotiator.

Speaking of which when he traded the 1st rd pick to the oilers he got nothing back. Are there any examples in any sports where you give up a current 1st for a future 1st and don’t get an additional asset back?

the Philadelphia Flyers traded out of the spot for the low price of a third-round draft pick from the Minnesota Wild. Danny is tough negotiator.

Speaking of which when he traded the 1st rd pick to the oilers he got nothing back. Are there any examples in any sports where you give up a current 1st for a future 1st and don’t get an additional asset back?
- furio16

This is what forwarded thinking teams do

Listen both of those 2 had skills though it wasn't happening for them here. That is on both the player and organization.

I think they will be solid with different coaching. Ollie isnt an NHL regular. Would I rather give him shot the rest of the way just to make sure? Yes. They won't. Need some ND.
- furio16

I also think that bee and frost will do better away from torts. I’m ready to move on from him tbh. If only for the fact that it doesn’t seem that MM is progressing with him here.

the Philadelphia Flyers traded out of the spot for the low price of a third-round draft pick from the Minnesota Wild. Danny is tough negotiator.

Speaking of which when he traded the 1st rd pick to the oilers he got nothing back. Are there any examples in any sports where you give up a current 1st for a future 1st and don’t get an additional asset back?
- furio16

He was like, nah, we don't feel like picking here.

We can compare Sam O'Reilly to whoever the Flyers end up picking. I guess Briere was gambling that the pick would be higher than 32 in the upcoming draft.

He was like, nah, we don't feel like picking here.

We can compare Sam O'Reilly to whoever the Flyers end up picking. I guess Briere was gambling that the pick would be higher than 32 in the upcoming draft.
- MBFlyerfan

No issue with the move and solid logic. Should have got a pick back.

Flyers seen Sam play a lot so clearly they didn’t want him.

I do hope the next HC is not part of the Torts sphere of influence. I believe Brad Shaw is a fine assistant coach, but he has not been a HC since Cincinnati '02-'03 season in the AHL. Rocky well, thanks for applying. Woodcroft was around the organization, not opposed. Most of his career under McLellan. I do not think the Flyers have a shot at David Carle. If Mike Johnson becomes available, not really interested. Should be an interesting summer, hopefully not a disappointing center with the HC position.
- Trox88

I have a feeling Torts is going to play out the last year of his contract upstairs as special assistant (co-GM) to Briere. And he will hand select Brad Shaw as next coach.

No issue with the move and solid logic. Should have got a pick back.

Flyers seen Sam play a lot so clearly they didn’t want him.
- furio16

Agreed on that, even if it was a late round pick.

I have a feeling Torts is going to play out the last year of his contract upstairs as special assistant (co-GM) to Briere. And he will hand select Brad Shaw as next coach.
- TobyFlenderson

And all the triumvirate sack hanger drones will be all for it.