Wonder why no press conference talking about the trade on the Flyers end. To busy patting themselves on the back?

Wonder why no press conference talking about the trade on the Flyers end. To busy patting themselves on the back?
- furio16

The fact that Calgary had a press conference the next morning and the Flyers have not tells me more moves are coming for the Flyers, that this is just the beginning.

TFP doesnt have PHI llinked to Petterssen. Only Zegras
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

I can't see Vancouver trading Elias Pettersson, that would mean they were starting over which makes no sense for them. I think the Flyers have got to continue to sell, sell, sell and tank for Hagens if that is the center they want. Maybe make a push for Clarke from LA if he is even close to available. But to me the Flyers have to start to build a young core with a 1D, 1C and Michkov that can grow together.

The fact that Calgary had a press conference the next morning and the Flyers have not tells me more moves are coming for the Flyers, that this is just the beginning.
- jd250

Beginning of what? Wha tother players are left who the coach wants gone?

I can't see Vancouver trading Elias Pettersson, that would mean they were starting over which makes no sense for them. I think the Flyers have got to continue to sell, sell, sell and tank for Hagens if that is the center they want. Maybe make a push for Clarke from LA if he is even close to available. But to me the Flyers have to start to build a young core with a 1D, 1C and Michkov that can grow together.
- jd250

Any "rebuilding" move should coincide with MM prime years. Would you agree?

Wonder why no press conference talking about the trade on the Flyers end. To busy patting themselves on the back?
- furio16

Everyone keeps saying we got the bad end of the deal, I think we got the better end of it.

We got a 30 goals scorer, neither frost or bee has ever produced at that level, we got the youngest player in the deal and 2 draft picks ( yes the 7th is not much of a pick)

And if we don't like either player we don't have to resign come off season. Frost and bee will never put up 70 points

Everyone keeps saying we got the bad end of the deal, I think we got the better end of it.

We got a 30 goals scorer, neither frost or bee has ever produced at that level, we got the youngest player in the deal and 2 draft picks ( yes the 7th is not much of a pick)

And if we don't like either player we don't have to resign come off season. Frost and bee will never put up 70 points
- SlNlSTER

They got a 30 goal scorer who has shown so far that was an outlier. He will never put up 70 points again. Otherwise very inconsistent. Do not care about the youngest player as that is all a fluff talking point.

A good GM gets a 1st back. Comes down to once again the Flyers missing the boat on when to sell. Farabee should have been moved last June after his career high season. Frost long ago.

Whether you like either player or not does not matter. They are both legit top 9 NHL players. All they have to show for it is a 2nd rd pick at the moment.

Everyone keeps saying we got the bad end of the deal, I think we got the better end of it.

We got a 30 goals scorer, neither frost or bee has ever produced at that level, we got the youngest player in the deal and 2 draft picks ( yes the 7th is not much of a pick)

And if we don't like either player we don't have to resign come off season. Frost and bee will never put up 70 points
- SlNlSTER

Not impressed with either Frost's or Farabee's game. Nor did the rest of the league, apparently.

A good GM gets a 1st back. Comes down to once again the Flyers missing the boat on when to sell. Farabee should have been moved last June after his career high season. Frost long ago.

Whether you like either player or not does not matter. They are both legit top 9 NHL players. All they have to show for it is a 2nd rd pick at the moment.
- furio16

If nobody offered a first, what's a GM to do? I think some here overvalue the worth of these players.

Why would you trade a player coming off his best year? We all had greater expectations for Farabee at that point. Unfortunately, he regressed. Time to cut bait.

If nobody offered a first, what's a GM to do? I think some here overvalue the worth of these players.

Why would you trade a player coming off his best year? We all had greater expectations for Farabee at that point. Unfortunately, he regressed. Time to cut bait.
- 77rams

Its called selling high. A concept you and the Flyers do not understand. In 6 months he went from core piece to scraps. Then that is a bad look on the Flyers evaluation of players don't you think?

If you can't get a first then you hold off. You then tell the coach to put them both in a position to succeed to increase their value. If they had even a decent PP they both likely have better numbers. Another bad look on the Flyers end.

They got a 30 goal scorer who has shown so far that was an outlier. He will never put up 70 points again. Otherwise very inconsistent. Do not care about the youngest player as that is all a fluff talking point.

A good GM gets a 1st back. Comes down to once again the Flyers missing the boat on when to sell. Farabee should have been moved last June after his career high season. Frost long ago.

Whether you like either player or not does not matter. They are both legit top 9 NHL players. All they have to show for it is a 2nd rd pick at the moment.
- furio16

You think you get a 1st for a broken player with term and a 3rd line center

Flyers recall Andrae and Gaucher.

You think you get a 1st for a broken player with term and a 3rd line center
- SlNlSTER

A good GM does for 2 players who put up 90+ points last season. Frost has shown to be a 40 + point center. Farabee a 35+ point winger. That has value. Would have rather traded them both individually. Was Joel a broken player last season? How is he broken?

Flyers clearly just wanted to move on and clear cap space. Can't wait to see what unfolds in the next 6 weeks.

A good GM does for 2 players who put up 90+ points last season. Frost has shown to be a 40 + point center. Farabee a 35+ point winger. That has value. Would have rather traded them both individually. Was Joel a broken player last season? How is he broken?

Flyers clearly just wanted to move on and clear cap space. Can't wait to see what unfolds in the next 6 weeks.
- furio16

Yes but you got a 70 point player back with a 2rd pick

Amazing how much more value Drury got out of Chytil than Danny got out of Frost + Farabee.
- Tomahawk

Did they though? Rangers gave up a 1st Chytil and 22 year old prospect to get JT miller and some fodder players.. Not to mention JTM had a NMC so they had little leverage when it came to where he went.

Farabee and Frost just werent as valuable as we thought they were IMO. Too attached to the fact they used to be 1st round picks. They arent anymore, Would you realistically give up a 1st to add these players? Would you send a 2nd to ANH for Zegras? Either way Zegras is a better player right? So either 2nd for Zegras is a fair price meaning Farabee and Frost have less value than that or you wouldnt because Zegras isnt worth a 2nd which means the Value of Frost and Farabee is much lower.

Yes but you got a 70 point player back with a 2rd pick
- SlNlSTER

A 70 point player years ago. Not currently. Hope he comes here lights it up get an ext then guys MIA.

Bottom line is the Flyers botched trading both players by not dumping them when their value was at their highest. Keep defending them as they count on you for their support.

Yes but you got a 70 point player back with a 2rd pick
- SlNlSTER

You can twist stats all you want. That was 2 years ago, and he had an insane shooting percentage..like almost 27%

He has 4 goals this year in 37 games for $5.8 per. He is purely a salary dump to accommodate Calgary getting Farabee.

Its called selling high. A concept you and the Flyers do not understand. In 6 months he went from core piece to scraps. Then that is a bad look on the Flyers evaluation of players don't you think?

If you can't get a first then you hold off. You then tell the coach to put them both in a position to succeed to increase their value. If they had even a decent PP they both likely have better numbers. Another bad look on the Flyers end.
- furio16

Selling high? What a new concept. Thanks for sharing.

Sure, hold off and wait until the player really bottoms out and you're stuck paying his 5 mil salary for the next three years. Good cap management.

I would hold off on your vitriol spraying until we see how they settle in with Calgary. Sometimes a change of scenery does wonders for a player. Then the finger pointing is justified. Other times, it shows the player has just taken a step backwards.

A good GM does for 2 players who put up 90+ points last season. Frost has shown to be a 40 + point center. Farabee a 35+ point winger. That has value. Would have rather traded them both individually. Was Joel a broken player last season? How is he broken?

Flyers clearly just wanted to move on and clear cap space. Can't wait to see what unfolds in the next 6 weeks.
- furio16

Farabee has been in rumours for 2 years now. Its unlikely that he wasnt being shopped until now. Farabee at this point is probably a middle 6 forward. Frost likely a 3C or a bottom tier #2C. If there were better offers out ther, Briere probably would have taken it.

Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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Briere says that moving Farabee and Frost "does crack the door open" to make more proactive addition moves quicker than they originally projected (which was 2026). Emphasizes that it has to be the right player, but more or less says it does increase the likelihood.

Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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Briere says that players like Tippett, Foerster, Brink, Cates have all taken steps forwards in their development the past few years. Basically implies that Farabee and Frost hadn't.

Charlie O'Connor
@charlieo_conn
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Briere says Kuzmenko was a guy that they were at least going to take a look at in free agency this summer. This gives them an opportunity to look at him in person to see if he fits.

Selling high? What a new concept. Thanks for sharing.

Sure, hold off and wait until the player really bottoms out and you're stuck paying his 5 mil salary for the next three years. Good cap management.

I would hold off on your vitriol spraying until we see how they settle in with Calgary. Sometimes a change of scenery does wonders for a player. Then the finger pointing is justified. Other times, it shows the player has just taken a step backwards.
- 77rams

Do the Flyers ever sell high in recent memory? Flyers always day late dollar short.

Could careless how they do in Calgary. My guess both will be more productive there than here.

You can twist stats all you want. That was 2 years ago, and he had an insane shooting percentage..like almost 27%

He has 4 goals this year in 37 games for $5.8 per. He is purely a salary dump to accommodate Calgary getting Farabee.
- TheFreak

Apparently he was added because Conroy wanted to dump him and he played with Michkov. Kuz is a guy who seems to play best immediately on a new team. Had a great season with Vancouver as a rookie, Sophmore was awful, got traded, immediately was almost a PPG player for the flames and then much like VAN, the next year he was poop.

So we can probably expect high production from him for the rest of the season. The Flyers should take advantage of that and flip him at the deadline or let him walk if hes here for Michkov. I dont really want him resigned. I guess there can be a Scenario where Id find it acceptable as a 3rd line option and a much lower cap hit but we are talking a scenario where the team is absolutely gutted. I dont think the Flyers are trending that way.

Flyers appear to be moving guys that dont seem to play the way Torts wants them too. The Flyers are trying to play a counter type system where they force turnovers with defense and counter attack, I believe this is largly due to the lack of elite talent. They cant beat other teams skill vs skill

Farabee has been in rumours for 2 years now. Its unlikely that he wasnt being shopped until now. Farabee at this point is probably a middle 6 forward. Frost likely a 3C or a bottom tier #2C. If there were better offers out ther, Briere probably would have taken it.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Simple question for you.

Do you think Farabee had higher value in June coming off a career high 50 point season. Or do you think his value was higher when they traded him a few days ago.

Can you post any links or sources where Farabee has been in rumors for 2 years.

People actually defend this franchise is truly astonishing.