Not what Torts said today.
- jd250

he also said the word "surf" like 50 times

Drysdale back to PP1 tonight, I would imagine. Hope he grabs the opportunity. I want to see all the young dmen do well. As I have mentioned before, it is imperative the Flyers win the Gauthier-Drysdale trade. Besides both players still being very young, the 2nd rd pick has not been used yet- neither team has "won" that trade, IMO.

Many tanking teams have been successful. You cant use Chicago as an example. They only started tanking 1-2 years ago. Its a 10+ year process. Examples of successful tanks would bet:

Colorado
Pittsburgh
Washington
LA Kings
Florida Panthers
Washington Capitals
Chicago Blackhawks (Past)
Tampa Bay Lightning

All these teams won cups with a core that was built through the draft with early picks. Tanking is not a few year process. You need to draft and hit on a bunch of key players and then you need to develop them. Colorado for example won their cup 9 years after selecting MacKinnon in the draft in 2013

Tanking is not a guarantee but players like Toews, Kane, Keith, Seabrook, Ovi, Backstrom, Carlson, Kucherov, Point, Hedman, Stamkos, Barkov, Ekblad, Huberdeau, Tkachuk, Reinhart, Kopitar, Doughty, Crosby, Malkin, Letang, Mackinnon, Rantanen, Makar and Landeskog are extremely rare to get outside of a top 10 pick. I am aware some do fit that criteria but that doesnt change the fact those teams got lucky. Florida got extremely lucky that Buffalo has been incompetent. They also got lucky that Tkachuk wanted out of Calgary. they also managed to get Forsling off waivers.

Tanking is really just the process of gaining a core. After the tank is done you still have to build a winner. Just as there are examples of successful tanks there are examples of unsuccessful tanks as well. Edmonton had to do it twice. Buffalo is still doing it. Utah\Arizona was never successful, Columbus hasnt successfully rebuilt,

Unless the Flyers create their own luck like Florida did. They arent getting any more Core players unless they finish in the top 10.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

The Key is finishing in the top 10 at the right time and then making the right decision. Tanking does not guarantee you anything. The Flyers got extremely lucky to get the 2017 #2 pick, and we all know what happened. In 2007 they had the 2nd overall pick and we saw what happened with a very weak draft that year. Then in 2015 the Flyers with the 7th pick get Provorov, while getting TK with the 24th pick, and we see what happened there. You said it right, a team can get a very talented player with a high pick, but unless they get lucky with health, are able to development them and insert them into a well coached and wininng culture, it will not matter. Florida didn't win because they drafted high. They won because they made bold trades at the right times.

Andrae sitting tonight, Z is in. Torts said Andrae is sitting because he has been struggling with and without the puck lately.
- jd250

Tortorella is either being disingenuous or is again, showing his inability to accurately assess a player and his incessant need to be a hammer.

I do wonder if they are trying to nudge Fedotov some type of mutual termination of contract to go back to the KHL.

Next year goalie depth chart probably-
Flyers- Ersson, Kosolov
Phantoms- Makiniemi, Bjarnason
- Trox88

I wish Fedotov would go to the AHL. Let him play see if he has anything to offer. Can't imagine he wants to give up the $$ to terminate.

he also said the word "surf" like 50 times
- gritty_committee

Well Drysdale and York are west coach guys, so perhaps he is speaking in their language

He would have pass waivers and I think that will be difficult.
- jd250

I dont. take the chance. He needs to play on a consistent basis.

They have 3 goalies for 2 positions. Who else but the coaching staff should evaluate who is the starting goalie and who is the backup? We all watch the games. Kolosov has had his negative moments, but overall he has played better than Fedotov. Torts said he talked to Fedotov about this already. Its now up to Briere to figure out how to get Fedotov down to the Phantoms, which may not be possible forcing a trade. Its a shame actually, since the Phantoms could really use Fedotov right now.
- jd250

Who is on the roster, is the GM's purview. Certainly the coach has input. The coach making the statements that he has are highly irregular and shows how dysfunctional the Flyers management continues to be.

I wish Fedotov would go to the AHL. Let him play see if he has anything to offer. Can't imagine he wants to give up the $$ to terminate.
- login

I'm assuming finishing out the year, then returning to the KHL. The rumor with the cap hit being so high for Fedotov was that what he could have made staying in the KHL. Certainly, it would not be the worst thing to send Fedotov to the AHL next season and just ride out the contract.

I do wonder if they are trying to nudge Fedotov some type of mutual termination of contract to go back to the KHL.

Next year goalie depth chart probably-
Flyers- Ersson, Kosolov
Phantoms- Makiniemi, Bjarnason
- Trox88

It depends on whats more important to Fedotov. He could play in the minors and collect his cash or terminate and play in the KHL. I dont see trade as a viable option ATM. He has improved a lot since the start of the season but not enough that Id see teams interested. It is only a 2 year deal so Im not all that worried about keeping it on the books.

It's a huge issue in Anaheim since they seem to rush players into the NHL, especially defenseman. Drysdale is a perfect example. He is rushed to the NHL, onto a poorly coached and unstructured losing team and was not developed physically or mentally. The result is he gets hurt and loses over a year of development. For the first time in his short career, he is getting coached and has grown physically stronger. I think now at least he has a chance with the Flyers to turn into very good player. Best thing for him was to get out of that loser culture that is the Ducks.
- jd250

In your world, every team with the exception of the Flyers is poorly coached. Every player that comes from another team to the Flyers, was poorly coached. Only the Flyers have coaches capable of coaching and developing NHL players. You're using the same narrative with Drysdale as you've used with Ristolainen.
Best thing for Drysdale was to get out of the loser culture in Anaheim and get into the winning culture of the Flyers. Can't make it up.

He would have pass waivers and I think that will be difficult.
- jd250

I’m not sure he would get claimed….and from what I’ve seen that might not be the worse thing…if he did get claimed….maybe that’s why DB over paid him? To protect against such a move? ….nah just kidding.

Drysdale back to PP1 tonight, I would imagine. Hope he grabs the opportunity. I want to see all the young dmen do well. As I have mentioned before, it is imperative the Flyers win the Gauthier-Drysdale trade. Besides both players still being very young, the 2nd rd pick has not been used yet- neither team has "won" that trade, IMO.
- Trox88

The Flyers aren't going to win the Gauthier-Drysdale trade. They have to hope that Drysdale becomes a good player for them.

I wish Fedotov would go to the AHL. Let him play see if he has anything to offer. Can't imagine he wants to give up the $$ to terminate.
- login

He ain’t terminating poop.

He is sitting because he got his bell rung in Columbus. Andrae hasnt been struggling at all.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

Correct but Tortorella has to be Tortorella. Andrae has made a significant impact on the team since he has been called up.

He ain’t terminating poop.
- landros 2

nope. would be crazy unless he misses home and has a guarantee to make that in the KHL

The Key is finishing in the top 10 at the right time and then making the right decision. Tanking does not guarantee you anything. The Flyers got extremely lucky to get the 2017 #2 pick, and we all know what happened. In 2007 they had the 2nd overall pick and we saw what happened with a very weak draft that year. Then in 2015 the Flyers with the 7th pick get Provorov, while getting TK with the 24th pick, and we see what happened there. You said it right, a team can get a very talented player with a high pick, but unless they get lucky with health, are able to development them and insert them into a well coached and wininng culture, it will not matter. Florida didn't win because they drafted high. They won because they made bold trades at the right times.
- jd250

No one is saying it guarantees anything. In 2017 the Flyers made a bad pick. It happens. The fact is the players the Flyers could have taken are guys they dont have a better chance of landing anywhere else. You are more likely to draft a makar in the top than outside. That is why you tank. Flyers lack top tier skill right now because they fail to consistently pick in the top 10. You have to finish at the bottom multiple times because while you do have a better shot at high end talent, you can always pick poorly. The Flyers are not likely going to get someone at Michkovs level at the 15th or 16th selection

The Key is finishing in the top 10 at the right time and then making the right decision. Tanking does not guarantee you anything. The Flyers got extremely lucky to get the 2017 #2 pick, and we all know what happened. In 2007 they had the 2nd overall pick and we saw what happened with a very weak draft that year. Then in 2015 the Flyers with the 7th pick get Provorov, while getting TK with the 24th pick, and we see what happened there. You said it right, a team can get a very talented player with a high pick, but unless they get lucky with health, are able to development them and insert them into a well coached and wininng culture, it will not matter. Florida didn't win because they drafted high. They won because they made bold trades at the right times.
- jd250

Again, focusing on failures and ignoring the successes. Florida does not win the Cup with out Ekblad and Barkov. They are unable to trade for Tkachuk is they don't draft Huberdeau and Weegar.
You don't understand what a winning culture actually is or how it is built.

nope. would be crazy unless he misses home and has a guarantee to make that in the KHL
- login

Home? The place that conscripted him to go fight in a war….or collect a few million a year and live in luxury? Tough call.

The Flyers aren't going to win the Gauthier-Drysdale trade. They have to hope that Drysdale becomes a good player for them.
- MJL

Why? If they draft an All Star with second round pick (remote possibility), should that not be part of the analysis of the trade besides the performance of the 2 main players.

Did the Flyers not "win" or at the very least get good value in the G trade (considering G had a NTC- would only waive to 1 team) to FLA? If need be replace "win" with receiving "good value" when trading assets- roster players, prospects, draft picks.

nope. would be crazy unless he misses home and has a guarantee to make that in the KHL
- login

I think he could make similar in the KHL. Flyers had to overpay him to come over. If the difference is a few 100k, He could easily rather play in his home country over Allentown. If you look at the AHL there arent many Russians there. They seem to rather want to play in Russia than the AHL. It all comes down to what Fedotov wants more. If he goes to the AHL, there is no guarantee he plays a lot. Maybe hes willing to sit there and do nothing for his cash but most Hockey players want to play. I suspect he would choose playing over money especially if the pay would be similar. It would be like someone taking a paycut to go work somewhere they'd rather be which does happen. Ive done it.

Crazy. They just need to be patient and the rebuild will be effective.
- Hextall271

They have been patient since the Eichel years

Why? If they draft an All Star with second round pick (remote possibility), should that not be part of the analysis of the trade besides the performance of the 2 main players.

Did the Flyers not "win" or at the very least get good value in the G trade (considering G had a NTC- would only waive to 1 team) to FLA? If need be replace "win" with receiving "good value" when trading assets- roster players, prospects, draft picks.
- Trox88

I'm playing the odds. If they draft a very good player with the 2nd maybe but I wouldn't count on it. Gauthier versus Drysdale, I'd put my money on Gauthier.

I wasn't discussing the Giroux trade and that's a very different animal.

I think he could make similar in the KHL. Flyers had to overpay him to come over. If the difference is a few 100k, He could easily rather play in his home country over Allentown. If you look at the AHL there arent many Russians there. They seem to rather want to play in Russia than the AHL. It all comes down to what Fedotov wants more. If he goes to the AHL, there is no guarantee he plays a lot. Maybe hes willing to sit there and do nothing for his cash but most Hockey players want to play. I suspect he would choose playing over money especially if the pay would be similar. It would be like someone taking a paycut to go work somewhere they'd rather be which does happen. Ive done it.
- xShoot4WarAmpsx

you do? what is the highest paid goalie in the KHL currently?

his competition is cal peterson.

Home? The place that conscripted him to go fight in a war….or collect a few million a year and live in luxury? Tough call.
- landros 2

He was conscripted because he screwed up. A good goalie can make a good living in Russia in the KHL. I'd put him through waivers. Don't think he would get claimed.