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Matt_Foleys_bro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.11.2012

Friday @ 10:13 PM ET
Everyone is making their choices of which D-men will make the team and which will be shipped to RFD, etc. The question should be, which D-Men does KFC think are expendable in a trade? Because any trade will probably involve at least one of our D-Men. If it happens, I just hope he makes the right choice....
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Friday @ 11:30 PM ET
Everyone is making their choices of which D-men will make the team and which will be shipped to RFD, etc. The question should be, which D-Men does KFC think are expendable in a trade? Because any trade will probably involve at least one of our D-Men. If it happens, I just hope he makes the right choice....
- Matt_Foleys_bro


Actually i don't think any of them are too be traded YET!

That's where i disagree with everyone.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Friday @ 11:56 PM ET
Actually i don't think any of them are too be traded YET!

That's where i disagree with everyone.

- BetweenTheDots


Assuming Crevier is back, he won't be waiver exempt, so I'm assuming he'll be the de facto 7th D man. Then you have KK, EDM, Allan, and Kaiser fighting for the last two LD spots. If I'm placing a bet right now, I'd say EDM and Kaiser, but that could certainly change.

EDM and Allan have played their off side before, but I'd guess with the volume of options they'll keep guys on their natural sides.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Saturday @ 7:06 AM ET
Depending on how the kids play, I could see offloading a lot of veterans at the TDL.
- bjphawkfan


Kind of think that is the plan, and why you saw the offseason you saw, that pissed off many, but not me.

Kids show something, move most at TDL, last shot to stock up on future picks with older Vets.

Going to need those picks down the road when you start to lose some guys you don't want to as you just have too many. Hopefully you pick who you keep and trade away the ones who have value but you can't keep and get some picks.

Those extra picks will keep pipeline full when that happens.

Think that this is what hurt last dynasty. Once they got good, no extra picks, and drafting in the late 20s every year made it very hard to keep the pipleline full, and SB being bent over on every trade as the league knew he couldn't ask for much as he had to get under cap.

Assuming KD was there for a decent amount of that, and is working a plan to not fall in the same trap.
HamiltonHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.13.2015

Saturday @ 7:16 AM ET
I think Arty n KK in Rockford , if they play absolutely so well they need to be on the big team ,worry about a trade then. This seems like another seasons the Hawks want to be in the running for 1st overall pick . If we are blocking spots at forward with Laff, Burk, Foligno, Richardson ect why not have Arty , Kk continue to improve in Rockford with the young forwards
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Saturday @ 9:04 AM ET
Actually i don't think any of them are too be traded YET!

That's where i disagree with everyone.

- BetweenTheDots

One or two will be traded, the question is when. The organization already has some ideas on which ones out of KK, Allan, Kaiser, EDM, and Crevier they will keep, and which one(s) they will move. At this point, IMHO, KK and EDM have the most value, but that could change. I’d keep EDM(we all have our favorites) and if there’s an opportunity to improve the team, one of the aforementioned will get moved sometime after the Christmas holidays.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 9:26 AM ET
One or two will be traded, the question is when. The organization already has some ideas on which ones out of KK, Allan, Kaiser, EDM, and Crevier they will keep, and which one(s) they will move. At this point, IMHO, KK and EDM have the most value, but that could change. I’d keep EDM(we all have our favorites) and if there’s an opportunity to improve the team, one of the aforementioned will get moved sometime after the Christmas holidays.
- Angotti


I don't disagree about some of these kids being traded, what i believe is for this season KK and Arty are going to be given the Vlasic treatment. Spend most of the year in Rockford rounding out their games and getting stronger.

For now the opening night roster will most likely be

Vlasic Rinzel
Kaiser Murphy
EDM Crevier
Allan

By the looks of this i agree with Darth they might bring in some vet
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Saturday @ 10:13 AM ET
I don't disagree about some of these kids being traded, what i believe is for this season KK and Arty are going to be given the Vlasic treatment. Spend most of the year in Rockford rounding out their games and getting stronger.

For now the opening night roster will most likely be

Vlasic Rinzel
Kaiser Murphy
EDM Crevier
Allan

By the looks of this i agree with Darth they might bring in some vet

- BetweenTheDots


If Arty starts the season in RFD I can see it him being given the Nazar treatment and coming up in December.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 10:54 AM ET
If Arty starts the season in RFD I can see it him being given the Nazar treatment and coming up in December.
- HawkintheD


I can see that as well, and who knows if Murphy or the kids will be able to stay healthy.
totem
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Seattle, WA
Joined: 06.14.2017

Saturday @ 12:47 PM ET
I don't disagree about some of these kids being traded, what i believe is for this season KK and Arty are going to be given the Vlasic treatment. Spend most of the year in Rockford rounding out their games and getting stronger.

For now the opening night roster will most likely be

Vlasic Rinzel
Kaiser Murphy
EDM Crevier
Allan

By the looks of this i agree with Darth they might bring in some vet

- BetweenTheDots


Between CHI and RFD combined, they really don't have a lot of defense depth, especially if they want RFD to be competitive this year, so I think the trade decisions will move to next summer. Also like the idea of Korchinski and Lev to start the year in RFD. Maybe swap the bottom pair in CHI for the top pair in RFD a few times during the season.

Vlasic - Rinzel
Kaiser - Murphy
del Mastro - Allan
Crevier

Korchinski - Levshunov
Harding - Mast
Kuzmin - AHL guy
AHL guy

Allan has played RD quite a bit and I think he could stay there for balance right now. Not sure about Cumby although he seems like more of an enforcer than a D prospect, maybe he heads back to Seattle.
totem
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Seattle, WA
Joined: 06.14.2017

Saturday @ 12:57 PM ET
https://www.sportsnet.ca/...ar-old-chl-player-in-ahl/

Can put at 19 yo CHL player in the AHL starting 2026-27.

Not sure this would have been any advantage for Korchinski as he had just turned 18 when drafted and seems like he would have had to go back to Seattle WHL first year.

Could be good for Behm in 2026-27 season though. Would have worked for Spellacy this year but isn't an option.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Saturday @ 1:04 PM ET
Everyone is making their choices of which D-men will make the team and which will be shipped to RFD, etc. The question should be, which D-Men does KFC think are expendable in a trade? Because any trade will probably involve at least one of our D-Men. If it happens, I just hope he makes the right choice....
- Matt_Foleys_bro

Florida is almost $4M over the cap right now. Trading Rodrigues only save them $3M, and they would have to spend close to $1M to replace him. Lundell saves them $5M, so net $4M and gets them cap compliant. What would another FLA-CHI trade look like if we targeted Lundell?
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

Saturday @ 1:04 PM ET
https://www.sportsnet.ca/nhl/article/report-cba-allows-nhl-teams-to-place-one-19-year-old-chl-player-in-ahl/

Can put at 19 yo CHL player in the AHL starting 2026-27.

Not sure this would have been any advantage for Korchinski as he had just turned 18 when drafted and seems like he would have had to go back to Seattle WHL first year.

Could be good for Behm in 2026-27 season though. Would have worked for Spellacy this year but isn't an option.

- totem


One per team, so 32 possible players removed. The CHL will pull 32 more players out of the BCJHL/USHL, who will be the real ones that suffer through this.
wizardofi
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Maple Ridge, BC
Joined: 04.17.2011

Saturday @ 2:10 PM ET
This one will be huge for trades:

The agreement also says player salaries can't be retained in trades more than once in a 75-day period, which closes off the three-team deals that saw one club get compensated to launder a player salary through their books.
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Saturday @ 4:45 PM ET
Everyone is making their choices of which D-men will make the team and which will be shipped to RFD, etc. The question should be, which D-Men does KFC think are expendable in a trade? Because any trade will probably involve at least one of our D-Men. If it happens, I just hope he makes the right choice....
- Matt_Foleys_bro


Every defenseman they have except Murphy is far from any true value.
The return for one will be as a throw in, deal sweetener, or the return is the same type of "a future maybe player", so it is is a incorrect way of thinking about your talent.

Crevier can't be sent down w/o passing waviers?
Once a player reaches a certain number of NHL games, their waiver exemption ends. For skaters, this is typically 160 NHL games. For goalies, it's up to 80 NHL games. After reaching this limit, they must clear waivers before being sent to the minors.

I really see the benefit of rolling the dice on playing all the defenders over the next season due to "injury-call-ups" and the same with the forwards.

I hardly think Kyle gets booted for the results of next season, b/c it may get them Bedard's cousin in law. or adds experience to the new pro talent pool.



I don't Kyle is lying when he envisons Rockford's top six as eventually Blackhawk, players, with a few challenging for top six NHL status.

This format is so similar to Syracuse Crunch-TB Lightning, that allowed the Bolts to work players in, trade or sign for a signiifcant group needs, and have a continuing influx of additions when they let go ome grown guys whose salaries were going to gum up the CAP.

I don't think there has been a GM who was able to accrue so many possible players in the first round.

The Wirtz's are owners who can afford to wait.


We can call it the Frankie Nazar fan reaction, and they will play it up as each and every new sprocket in the wheel is added.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Saturday @ 7:36 PM ET
One or two will be traded, the question is when. The organization already has some ideas on which ones out of KK, Allan, Kaiser, EDM, and Crevier they will keep, and which one(s) they will move. At this point, IMHO, KK and EDM have the most value, but that could change. I’d keep EDM(we all have our favorites) and if there’s an opportunity to improve the team, one of the aforementioned will get moved sometime after the Christmas holidays.
- Angotti

You have to give to get something. We won't totally get to decide who is moved if we really want another teams' player.
bjphawkfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Woodridge, IL
Joined: 07.02.2016

Sunday @ 12:41 AM ET
I think the chances of Crevier being traded before the season starts for a pick are high.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Sunday @ 11:47 AM ET
I think the chances of Crevier being traded before the season starts for a pick are high.
- bjphawkfan

I know it's not the long term plan, but I liked him paired with Vlasic.
tvetter
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Burkesville, KY
Joined: 12.16.2015

Sunday @ 1:06 PM ET
I know it's not the long term plan, but I liked him paired with Vlasic.
- rpeters01

I didn't think that was a bad pairing, but I see Vlasic as a definite top 4 dman, while Crevier is a 6/7 on a good team. Maybe as a placeholder this year, though.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Sunday @ 4:47 PM ET
I know it's not the long term plan, but I liked him paired with Vlasic.
- rpeters01


Likely Vlasic with Rinzel. Crevier even proving he can play NHL games and possibly being a 3rd pairing or 7th guy is a huge win. What was he picked in the 7th round I think?
totem
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Seattle, WA
Joined: 06.14.2017

Sunday @ 5:42 PM ET
Likely Vlasic with Rinzel. Crevier even proving he can play NHL games and possibly being a 3rd pairing or 7th guy is a huge win. What was he picked in the 7th round I think?
- HawkintheD


https://chicago.suntimes....dawson-mercer-yanick-jean

This was a pretty good story from a few months ago on Crevier's draft day....
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sunday @ 7:44 PM ET
It looks like my concern that Bosivert was looking to gain free agent status was a misnomer on y part. It looks like he gave the Hawks his outing report on the big nasty Czech he played along side with Muskegon.
So maybe we (for now) pencil him and Nestril as the future 3rd line unless Sacha Boisvert elevates to a top six winger or finds his way as a top six centre.
I see Greene on that 3rd line also…
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Sunday @ 7:57 PM ET
Likely Vlasic with Rinzel. Crevier even proving he can play NHL games and possibly being a 3rd pairing or 7th guy is a huge win. What was he picked in the 7th round I think?
- HawkintheD


After selecting their own pick, The Hawks tarded for the Montreal pick to take a flyer on him...

why trade a long term 7th defenseman, you keep him, like all these kids.

I come from the era where a defenseman didn't arrive as a comete defender until they weere over 27, as they were finally strong and developed.
I know the kids now have added the physical development to their ganes as teens, but there is always going to be that "development window" until 26 + years.

After the trade with Vancouvr rto acxquire Forsling, we have a true template of how development cannot be determined in trading defensemne early.

I think the difference in the San Jose developand the hawks IS that the Hawks have this really high end possibles as defenders.

Look: Rinzel walked in and surprised the poop out of everyone as a giant ice water defender. What else couyld we possible have asked for!

There si going to be an eventual development of a group who ALL can get to it on their pins, get it to the shooters, and also jump up and surprise.

Let's not sell even our big Crevier at this point as long as he keeps making contact.
Gramps28
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Double poop your best players everyone!, IL
Joined: 07.09.2014

Sunday @ 9:54 PM ET
After selecting their own pick, The Hawks tarded for the Montreal pick to take a flyer on him...

why trade a long term 7th defenseman, you keep him, like all these kids.

I come from the era where a defenseman didn't arrive as a comete defender until they weere over 27, as they were finally strong and developed.
I know the kids now have added the physical development to their ganes as teens, but there is always going to be that "development window" until 26 + years.

After the trade with Vancouvr rto acxquire Forsling, we have a true template of how development cannot be determined in trading defensemne early.

I think the difference in the San Jose developand the hawks IS that the Hawks have this really high end possibles as defenders.

Look: Rinzel walked in and surprised the poop out of everyone as a giant ice water defender. What else couyld we possible have asked for!

There si going to be an eventual development of a group who ALL can get to it on their pins, get it to the shooters, and also jump up and surprise.

Let's not sell even our big Crevier at this point as long as he keeps making contact.

- wiz1901

I agree about not trading Crevier. For one, they need depth in the organization and secondly, look how much progress he has made. Let's see if he has more is what I say.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Sunday @ 10:23 PM ET
After selecting their own pick, The Hawks tarded for the Montreal pick to take a flyer on him...

why trade a long term 7th defenseman, you keep him, like all these kids.

I come from the era where a defenseman didn't arrive as a comete defender until they weere over 27, as they were finally strong and developed.
I know the kids now have added the physical development to their ganes as teens, but there is always going to be that "development window" until 26 + years.

After the trade with Vancouvr rto acxquire Forsling, we have a true template of how development cannot be determined in trading defensemne early.

I think the difference in the San Jose developand the hawks IS that the Hawks have this really high end possibles as defenders.

Look: Rinzel walked in and surprised the poop out of everyone as a giant ice water defender. What else couyld we possible have asked for!

There si going to be an eventual development of a group who ALL can get to it on their pins, get it to the shooters, and also jump up and surprise.

Let's not sell even our big Crevier at this point as long as he keeps making contact.

- wiz1901


Think you’re inferring a lot. Where did I say “trade him”? I’m happy with his development and if you trade Murphy this season and he’s your 3rd pairing guy on the right side the Hawks could do a lot worse. If he keeps developing even better.
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