Cam Robinson seems to think more and more that the Sharks are taking Frondell.

Says Misa would then go 3 to Chi..and he could see Utah and Nashville moving their picks.
Also said something along the lines of picks 12-30 are in play to be traded.

All of this could make for an interesting Friday night.
- captainserious

Capn, I've been following the jrs game for a long time and have read many evaluators. First started reading Robinson at Dobber so I've read him a long time and gun to my head he's may favorite evaluator.

Follow and read him, Capn. A great foundation to start from ....... But I think he's wrong about Frondell going to the Hawks. Think he ranks Hagens 3rd best overall, no?

New coach, fresh start, his 20 and 21 year old seasons, it all went to poop when they were negotiating his RFA contract.
- BetweenTheDots

What did his contract have to do with him not playing properly?

Cam Robinson seems to think more and more that the Sharks are taking Frondell.

Says Misa would then go 3 to Chi..and he could see Utah and Nashville moving their picks.
Also said something along the lines of picks 12-30 are in play to be traded.

All of this could make for an interesting Friday night.
- captainserious

Sportsnet’s Sam Cosentino’s mock has San Jose taking Frondell too.

Sportsnet’s Sam Cosentino’s mock has San Jose taking Frondell too.
- paulr

Big hypothetical that won't happen... IIRC, Hagens was going first overall this year after last year's draft. Let's say NYI draft the local kid with tons of skill. SJS will almost certainly run to the stage to draft Schaefer. Since KD has probably assumed that Schaefer and Misa would be off the board, he's looked at A LOT of film of Frondell. Any chance he goes Frondell over Misa? Just to be clear, I wouldn't, but I've read that a lot of scouts have those two closer than most think.

Capn, I've been following the jrs game for a long time and have read many evaluators. First started reading Robinson at Dobber so I've read him a long time and gun to my head he's may favorite evaluator.

Follow and read him, Capn. A great foundation to start from ....... But I think he's wrong about Frondell going to the Hawks. Think he ranks Hagens 3rd best overall, no?
- Mr Ricochet

Hey hey Rico

Have only caught Cam on twitter,youtube etc..thinking of getting a subscription to his site for next year's draft.
Overall,he seems like an interesting guy to listen to.
I think his scouting is bettervor more interesting when you compare him to Wheeler and Pronman from the athletic.
The show him and the Flohockey guy (Peters?) from last week was pretty interesting too


Edit:
Just saw this too

@NHLRumourReport
Darren Dreger: I was told...things sound like they're getting closer in terms of a Bowen Byram trade - TSN

What did his contract have to do with him not playing properly?
- paulr

Just don't think it helped they moved him to wing when he had more success playing center. Verbeek has a type and it wasn't Zegras.

Is Verbeek part of the old guard GMs? Isn't the org responsible of trying to put a player in position to succeed, looks like he was playing center and producing even if you didn't care for his antics. Young player, cough cough Bedard, can learn to be better defensively.

Looks like Anaheim has a bunch of big forwards now i guess Verbeek has his style of players in there, we'll see how it goes.

Frondell's 0.89 point-per-game rate in his draft year surpassed that of future NHL stars like William Nylander and David Pastrnak during their time in Allsvenskan. It was just slightly below Elias Pettersson's rate. This indicates that Frondell's performance at a young age in a professional league puts him in esteemed company.

That was from Google AI
- BetweenTheDots

Dots, I'm not trying to talk you out of anything or say you're wrong about anything, unless you compare Frondell to Barkov. And I'm not discounting points kids put up before pro but am only sharing that pts before pro usually isn't equal between two kids in different leagues.

Now Barkov played Liiga, Finnish top pro league and came up thru Finnish jrs. Frondell put his numbers up in Sveden's AHL. Both good leagues no doubt........ Have you seen FIN and Sveden play WJC? Especially FIN, those kids LOCK down man, at 17!! Sveden too but less so. Pts are hard to get when the whole world over there insists on 2 way play at 6-7 yrs old costing kids pts but you get a kid with a wonderful foundation coming thru those jrs leagues. A sound player.

You take a kid outa the OHL who has 75 pts it ain't the same as a kid Putting up 70 pts in Liiga or the Svedish AHL. Not close, really. I think you know this, and this is my point, not all pts in jrs leagues are created equal.

I very much like Frondell cuz I loooove 3rd liners and the way they play. I like my shortstops, point guards, wingers, mid fielders, bowlers to play like linebackers and Frondell does, just like good 3rd liners.

Won't hear a peep outa me if they draft Frondell as long as Schaefer and Misa are off the board. I just like Hagens, Martone and Desnoyers better.

This is a really fun draft cuz there is no consensus at all after Scheafer. This IMO creates opportunity to the sharp ones. That's what I'm watching for and KD has shown he ain't scared at all to move up and down in the draft. ...... A great draft for KD types.

Just don't think it helped they moved him to wing when he had more success playing center. Verbeek has a type and it wasn't Zegras.

Is Verbeek part of the old guard GMs? Isn't the org responsible of trying to put a player in position to succeed, looks like he was playing center and producing even if you didn't care for his antics. Young player, cough cough Bedard, can learn to be better defensively.

Looks like Anaheim has a bunch of big forwards now i guess Verbeek has his style of players in there, we'll see how it goes.
- BetweenTheDots

Your first assertion was Zegras didn’t play well after his new contract. What about his contract caused him not to play well?

I just heard another mock and it had the Hawks selecting McQueen at three? I think these “experts “ are just making poop up.

If I were to build an NHL squad it would look like Carolina. Heavy players with moderate skill, high compete, balanced skater and a 2 way game. ... Never met a 3rd liner I didn't like is my flaw so I like Frondell but not in the top 5. And if you're reading about him any comparison to Barkov turn the page from that evaluator immediately.

Good Lord, Barkov has had 96 and 80 pt seasons and 39 goals besides being elite defensively....... It's a stupid near idiotic comp.

If they stay at 3 my guess is they might go Desnoyers or Martone. ... Want a comp? I see a lotta Landeskog in Martone. Big dude who isn't physical, ain't scared with damn silky hands ........ But, right now they have very little, or nothing, in the system that's a 1 or 2C and drafting Martone may be ignoring that.

I still say they draft Hagens and posted so after the lottery. Nothing I've seen since has changed my mind.. Ain't buying the rumored fall.

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- Mr Ricochet

I see a lot of McKenzie Entwistle in Martone until I see otherwise.

Your first assertion was Zegras didn’t play well after his new contract. What about his contract caused him not to play well?
- paulr

His position, i must be speaking a foreign language today

Cam Robinson is saying Frondell isn’t a true center, he doesn’t drive the play and he’s not creative. He thinks O’Brien may be a riser in the draft because of his elite play making and stick handling.

Cam Robinson is saying Frondell isn’t a true center, he doesn’t drive the play and he’s not creative. He thinks O’Brien may be a riser in the draft because of his elite play making and stick handling.
- paulr

Imo if Misa is not there at 3rd overall then hsgens or martone. As much as Hawks need size hagens has all the tools of top line playmaker and Hawks need offensive playmaker. 5 10 190lb soild

@frank_servalli
Breaking: Sources say #Sabres have agreed in principle to trade forward JJ Peterka to @utahmammoth. BUT there is apparently a contingency holding up deal.

If completed, and still a big if, would be a big get for #TusksUp    adding another 23-year-old top line forward to the mix.

Well..it is getting interesting

Cam Robinson is saying Frondell isn’t a true center, he doesn’t drive the play and he’s not creative. He thinks O’Brien may be a riser in the draft because of his elite play making and stick handling.
- paulr

The constantly changing top 5-8 guys has me worried that this draft is rather weak. Misa seems like the only one who will become a star. Schaefer absolutely could but he’ll likely be stuck on a middling islanders team for a while.

The constantly changing top 5-8 guys has me worried that this draft is rather weak. Misa seems like the only one who will become a star. Schaefer absolutely could but he’ll likely be stuck on a middling islanders team for a while.
- ObeseOprah

Apparently rangers Montreal and Pittsburgh have called about the 3rd overall pick.
Pittsburgh except 2 1st rounders have nothing else really to offer.
Rangers conversation starts with Lafrenière
Montreal 2 1st rounders conversation starts with Caulfield
All three teams looking for a center I would listen but it would have to be an offer Davidson could could not pass up.

Cam Robinson is saying Frondell isn’t a true center, he doesn’t drive the play and he’s not creative. He thinks O’Brien may be a riser in the draft because of his elite play making and stick handling.
- paulr

We talked about this last week. He's rising fast, won't be surprised if he moves into the top 5. Not saying for sure it will happen, but i won't be surprised at all.

As i've said, i've never seen any of these guys play, but if i watch their tape, Martins is just different than the others, the closest thing i've seen to a Tom Wilson, though i don't remember, but don't remember Wilson playing C.

Good morning, today is Mr Goalie day. One more wake up for what could be the most interesting draft in some time. To add to Captain’s post, Utah not only acquired Peterka, they’ve also singed him to a five year extension for $38.5M. Per Elliott Friedman, looks like Michael Kesselring and Josh Doan going the other way.

Good morning, today is Mr Goalie day. One more wake up for what could be the most interesting draft in some time. To add to Captain’s post, Utah not only acquired Peterka, they’ve also singed him to a five year extension for $38.5M. Per Elliott Friedman, looks like Michael Kesselring and Josh Doan going the other way.
- Angotti

2 years in a row, nice move by Utah by keeping their 4th OA and acquiring a top 6 forward, last year top 4 defenseman.

It sure seems like the Sabres are obsessed about having one of the best blue lines in the league. I don't get it, and the inability to make it work with Peterka.

2 years in a row, nice move by Utah by keeping their 4th OA and acquiring a top 6 forward, last year top 4 defenseman.

It sure seems like the Sabres are obsessed about having one of the best blue lines in the league. I don't get it, and the inability to make it work with Peterka.
- BetweenTheDots

I don’t either. Did they not want to pay him or what? The guy just had a season where he was not far from being a ppg player with 27 G’s.

Unfortunately the Hawks aren’t yet in a position where they have many of their prospects up and established that could be offered in trade. The ones that are either aren’t likely getting traded (98, 72, 91, 55, 6) or aren’t worth a ton (73, 84).

I don’t either. Did they not want to pay him or what? The guy just had a season where he was not far from being a ppg player with 27 G’s.

Unfortunately the Hawks aren’t yet in a position where they have many of their prospects up and established that could be offered in trade. The ones that are either aren’t likely getting traded (98, 72, 91, 55, 6) or aren’t worth a ton (73, 84).
- HawkintheD

I was thinking the samething about having developed young enough talent to be able to make a trade like this. We'll be there soon

Dots, I'm not trying to talk you out of anything or say you're wrong about anything, unless you compare Frondell to Barkov. And I'm not discounting points kids put up before pro but am only sharing that pts before pro usually isn't equal between two kids in different leagues.

Now Barkov played Liiga, Finnish top pro league and came up thru Finnish jrs. Frondell put his numbers up in Sveden's AHL. Both good leagues no doubt........ Have you seen FIN and Sveden play WJC? Especially FIN, those kids LOCK down man, at 17!! Sveden too but less so. Pts are hard to get when the whole world over there insists on 2 way play at 6-7 yrs old costing kids pts but you get a kid with a wonderful foundation coming thru those jrs leagues. A sound player.

You take a kid outa the OHL who has 75 pts it ain't the same as a kid Putting up 70 pts in Liiga or the Svedish AHL. Not close, really. I think you know this, and this is my point, not all pts in jrs leagues are created equal.

I very much like Frondell cuz I loooove 3rd liners and the way they play. I like my shortstops, point guards, wingers, mid fielders, bowlers to play like linebackers and Frondell does, just like good 3rd liners.

Won't hear a peep outa me if they draft Frondell as long as Schaefer and Misa are off the board. I just like Hagens, Martone and Desnoyers better.

This is a really fun draft cuz there is no consensus at all after Scheafer. This IMO creates opportunity to the sharp ones. That's what I'm watching for and KD has shown he ain't scared at all to move up and down in the draft. ...... A great draft for KD types.
- Mr Ricochet

Hey Rico. This is going to sound strange (me defending Dots), but unless I missed something that Dots posted, this all stems from Frondell saying that he models his game after Barkov.

Modeling your game after someone for some reason (inexplicably to me) always turns into an argument that "he's not player X". No one is saying that they think he'll be Barkov. He is simply stating that he works to play the same type of game.

I was thinking the samething about having developed young enough talent to be able to make a trade like this. We'll be there soon
- BetweenTheDots

Agree and think as soon as next season. Whether they start up with the big club this season or not, I think Moore and Greene will be up full time by the end of the season along with a few other fwd prospects.

Will be interesting to see where Lev and KK start the season. Pretty sure Rinzel won’t need a ticket for the RFD shuttle.

Not official for the new CBA but some details from Daily Faceoff.

https://www.dailyfaceoff....riday-84-game-season-ltir

The short version.

-84 game season, shorter preseason (4 games) and limit on how many games vets can play in preseason. Players with 100 GP can play 2.
-Shorter max term on contracts 6 /7 year instead of 7/8.
-Playoff salary cap mechanism to close the LTIR loophole.
-Signing rights on players to last until age 22 regardless of league.
-No more deferred salary.
-Same 50/50 revenue split
-Dedicated Emergency Backup Goalie position.
-Better health insurance for players
-Teams can't mandate dress code for arriving/leaving games.
-Salary cap limits in line with what was already announced in Feb 95.5M 104M and 113M.

Edit: oh and I forgot they are doubling the fund for paying bonuses for playoffs to players. I think for this year, the Panthers got a bit under 4 million to split among players and the Oilers got a bit more than 2 million. Teams that lost in the Conference finals got a bit over a million. Teams that lost in the second round got to split an extra 500K and first round teams a whopping 250K split up to it's players.

A friend of mine just sent me a clip from Wheeler's article this morning about Spence.

It says that he lost a ton of weight (10 lbs) toward the end of this year after he split his tongue in half. There were several complications, but he wasn't able to eat much for a while and struggled breathing. He played pretty much the whole time this was going on (and still ended with 36 goals and 82 points).

Likely explains his drop down people's boards this year after being near the top of it going into this season.

paulr's new Calum Ritchie.