No but he was ~25th in the NHL for throwing hits in that span of games. I know hits aren't a perfect stat, but he was active on the forecheck and was way above the rest of the team in that regard. He has a big body, something that is often called out as a weakness.

Don't get me wrong, he isn't a superstar but he is only 22 and only just got his first taste of NHL hockey. He might still take another step and be effective around the net. From a speed perspective he was better than Maroon/Foligno/Bertuzzi. I think we need to see him play more hockey and get some more chances to provide size in the lineup.
- breadbag

Have no problem with that and just hope he can stay healthy. I thought he was looking good his last handful of games and then he was injured again.

Again, what does Zegras bring to a team?

Did he justify the pain in the ass negotiating his RFA contract?
- Chunk

For a B prospect and a 4th??????????????????????? A 1 yr rental, period, so little Conner doesn't have to smash sticks 4 times a game.

No. I'm saying you can't keep ALL the players for all the reasons, I've laid out that you don't seem able to comprehend.

Is KK the best d-man they have? Do they have other D-men that can do what he does in the system? Do they have additional picks with which to choose new defensemen?

I don't care about Dominic James, but you certainly should if you want to keep every prospect. What was the reason that he left? It was because he thought there would be a better opportunity/path to NHL playing time on another team due to the overabundance of prospects on the Hawks.
- Chunk

Of course KD has to consider all those things but not right now. So one step at a time try to figure out who our best players are and figure out how to keep as much of them as we can. It's like you think he's going into that situation without thinking about it. Besides if the team is patient and develops the prospects they have they will have far greater value the longer you can hang onto them because how well they are performing.

That's why I'm so glad KD hired Blashill, sounds like he's not going to lose his poop on a player on the bench or a press conference, but also believes players should play on the right side of the puck.

Tough to carry the puck when the other team’s taking it from you at the dot more often than not. Bedard is one of the worst in the league the last two seasons.
- Assman22

On top of being the worst defensive centerman I've ever seen. ..... Hoping and praying Blashill talks some sense into the organIzation and moves Bedard to wing. .. A terribly flawed, small 1C eating the most forward minutes on the team can't win anything that matters.

Again, what does Zegras bring to a team?

Did he justify the pain in the ass negotiating his RFA contract?
- Chunk

Damn am i talking to Verbeek, 60 point players don't grow on trees and he did it for 2 years, that's what he brings.

That's why he traded him to the East he knows the talent the kid has.

It's more than consternation about Bedard's defense. I'm sickened looking at it and beyond sickened any coach all the way down to Mites would allow a kid to play that way... They've done the kid no good and I'd include his daddy.

They gonna make the playoffs? If they're not is Bedard's development the top priority? Is he lagging cuz he has no skill? How many NHLers have the skilled kinda and freakish vision Zegras has? Would Zegras' skill for one yr, he's a 1 yr rental for a B prospect and 4th rd pick, help Bedard develop?

Or, a skilled player like Marner good in all 3 zones for 14 mil for 7 yrs?

Reading today Bamford says the Hawks inquired and I'm glad to hear that. Get that kinda skill for 1 yr is my take.
- Mr Ricochet

Likely not.

For all the freakish vision that Zegras has, he's not been able to put it into much in the way of results the last two years (despite the injuries). Is Bedard's development into a more complete player going to be aided by a player that's as bad as he is defensively?

I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think he would help Bedard develop. Poehling was a better player than Zegras was last year by pretty much every metric.

Likely not.

For all the freakish vision that Zegras has, he's not been able to put it into much in the way of results the last two years (despite the injuries). Is Bedard's development into a more complete player going to be aided by a player that's as bad as he is defensively?

I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think he would help Bedard develop. Poehling was a better player than Zegras was last year by pretty much every metric.
- Chunk

That was one of my immediate thoughts when I heard the trade along with skill like Zegras don't hit the market very often... No, Zegras will be a -40 and Bedard a -50 but lil Conner will play, outside of WJC's, with the most skilled player he ever has.

IMO Bedard's ceiling defensively is plain bad and the Hawks ain't making the playoffs this yr.......... I'd have made the trade and trade offs that come with it for a 1 yr rental.

I like Poehling and not mentioned this kid can shoot...... A fine bottom 6 guy of which the Hawks have 87 of in the system. Will look forward to how Q uses the kid and what he can do for his game.

Wouldn't doubt if Poehling ends up a top end bottom 6 gamer type that some GM gives way too much money and term to. But this is a useful player.

Damn am i talking to Verbeek, 60 point players don't grow on trees and he did it for 2 years, that's what he brings.

That's why he traded him to the East he knows the talent the kid has.
- BetweenTheDots

That was 3 seasons ago now. He's since been about half that player since he signed his contract.

Likely not.

For all the freakish vision that Zegras has, he's not been able to put it into much in the way of results the last two years (despite the injuries). Is Bedard's development into a more complete player going to be aided by a player that's as bad as he is defensively?

I guess to answer your question, no, I don't think he would help Bedard develop. Poehling was a better player than Zegras was last year by pretty much every metric.
- Chunk

Yea we'll see how this ages, Poehling is pretty much a 4th liner, again you are so right now.

That was 3 seasons ago now. He's since been about half that player since he signed his contract.
- Chunk

Since Verbeek became the GM.

Yea we'll see how this ages, Poehling is pretty much a 4th liner, again you are so right now.
- BetweenTheDots

You said Zegras has two 60 pt seasons. Well, he also has two dog poop seasons which are more recent. Which guy is he?

I'd be willing to bet that Poehling will be the more useful player over his career.

Did the Blackhawks trade their 3rd OA for Robertson yet?

Since Verbeek became the GM.
- BetweenTheDots

If the GM changes what kind of player you are, then I certainly don't want that player on my team.

Did the Blackhawks trade their 3rd OA for Robertson yet?
- BetweenTheDots

Don't tease me.

You said Zegras has two 60 pt seasons. Well, he also has two dog poop seasons which are more recent. Which guy is he?

I'd be willing to bet that Poehling will be the more useful player over his career.
- Chunk

I see you're digging in.

One thing this does is even out the Cutter Gauthier trade.

Evander Kane traded to the Canucks for a 4th rounder, huh

When i here his profile and watch his highlights he's got a fantastic shot, I've said this before here, i believe he has similar traits as Eiserman in the offensive zone but he actually plays defense and is playing with men already and not only holding his own but coming out of corners with the puck. As you can tell i really like what i see in this player.
- BetweenTheDots

If I were to build an NHL squad it would look like Carolina. Heavy players with moderate skill, high compete, balanced skater and a 2 way game. ... Never met a 3rd liner I didn't like is my flaw so I like Frondell but not in the top 5. And if you're reading about him any comparison to Barkov turn the page from that evaluator immediately.

Good Lord, Barkov has had 96 and 80 pt seasons and 39 goals besides being elite defensively....... It's a stupid near idiotic comp.

If they stay at 3 my guess is they might go Desnoyers or Martone. ... Want a comp? I see a lotta Landeskog in Martone. Big dude who isn't physical, ain't scared with damn silky hands ........ But, right now they have very little, or nothing, in the system that's a 1 or 2C and drafting Martone may be ignoring that.

I still say they draft Hagens and posted so after the lottery. Nothing I've seen since has changed my mind.. Ain't buying the rumored fall.

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If I were to build an NHL squad it would look like Carolina. Heavy players with moderate skill, high compete, balanced skater and a 2 way game. ... Never met a 3rd liner I didn't like is my flaw so I like Frondell but not in the top 5. And if you're reading about him any comparison to Barkov turn the page from that evaluator immediately.

Good Lord, Barkov has had 96 and 80 pt seasons and 39 goals besides being elite defensively....... It's a stupid near idiotic comp.

If they stay at 3 my guess is they might go Desnoyers or Martone. ... Want a comp? I see a lotta Landeskog in Martone. Big dude who isn't physical, ain't scared with damn silky hands ........ But, right now they have very little, or nothing, in the system that's a 1 or 2C and drafting Martone may be ignoring that.

I still say they draft Hagens and posted so after the lottery. Nothing I've seen since has changed my mind.. Ain't buying the rumored fall.

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- Mr Ricochet

Frondell's 0.89 point-per-game rate in his draft year surpassed that of future NHL stars like William Nylander and David Pastrnak during their time in Allsvenskan. It was just slightly below Elias Pettersson's rate. This indicates that Frondell's performance at a young age in a professional league puts him in esteemed company.

That was from Google AI

Frondell's 0.89 point-per-game rate in his draft year surpassed that of future NHL stars like William Nylander and David Pastrnak during their time in Allsvenskan. It was just slightly below Elias Pettersson's rate. This indicates that Frondell's performance at a young age in a professional league puts him in esteemed company.

That was from Google AI
- BetweenTheDots

Did you look up Barkov's numbers in the Finnish TOP pro league as a 17 and 18 yr old? Did you look up TT's pt per numbers at WJC's that were better than all of a few, ever?

You've never come off your opinion, and positive you won't now, but if it were as easy as which player put up numbers as a kid you wouldn't need scouts........ It just ain't that easy.

Again, I like Frondell but not inside the top 5 and it is malfeasance to compare him to Barkov in any way as a hockey player.

Did you look up Barkov's numbers in the Finnish TOP pro league as a 17 and 18 yr old? Did you look up TT's pt per numbers at WJC's that were better than all of a few, ever?

You've never come off your opinion, and positive you won't now, but if it were as easy as which player put up numbers as a kid you wouldn't need scouts........ It just ain't that easy.

Again, I like Frondell but not inside the top 5 and it is malfeasance to compare him to Barkov in any way as a hockey player.
- Mr Ricochet

Well if it were me, you're right i like what i see, I'm drafting Frondell at 3

Don't get why you are so offended about the comparison

Barkov .90 points per game
Frondell .86 points per game

Am i missing something?

But players putting up good numbers is a good thing, that's why they get drafted so high because they have an elite skill set. My biggest worry is Hagens I'm afraid I'll see another Schmaltz.

Cam Robinson seems to think more and more that the Sharks are taking Frondell.

Says Misa would then go 3 to Chi..and he could see Utah and Nashville moving their picks.
Also said something along the lines of picks 12-30 are in play to be traded.

All of this could make for an interesting Friday night.

On top of being the worst defensive centerman I've ever seen. ..... Hoping and praying Blashill talks some sense into the organIzation and moves Bedard to wing. .. A terribly flawed, small 1C eating the most forward minutes on the team can't win anything that matters.
- Mr Ricochet

Not many 1C’s with sub 40% FO but yeah work on your skating in the offseason. He and lil Frankie need to be bumped to wing.

Not many 1C’s with sub 40% FO but yeah work on your skating in the offseason. He and lil Frankie need to be bumped to wing.
- Assman22

His FO% improved a good bit later in the season.
I could see him hovering at a bit below 50% this year if he keeps improving

Damn am i talking to Verbeek, 60 point players don't grow on trees and he did it for 2 years, that's what he brings.

That's why he traded him to the East he knows the talent the kid has.
- BetweenTheDots

Yes but that was 2 years ago lol. He’s played 88 games the past two seasons with a $5.75 cap hit and doesn’t play defense. And before you try to comp him to Kaner, just don’t because he’s not even in the same stratosphere as “CoKane” was at that age.

Here's a nice read on Bedard

https://www.nytimes.com/a...connor-bedard-nhl-season/

The worst center in the league