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breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 19 @ 11:46 AM ET
Capwages has Dumba ineligible for a buyout. Assuming that's a site error.
- Assman22


Is he injured? I'm pretty sure if the player is injured they can not buy him out.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 11:51 AM ET
Talk about a guy disappearing in the playoffs, Nill with another bad move, nice.

Maybe we can pry Seguin away from the Stars all they have to do is throw in Dumba.

- BetweenTheDots


It's definitely two years too long, but he's a very good player. Even in the playoffs, he generated a ton of chances (I believe top 10 among all playoff participants), but he had only a 2.8% shooting percentage. A lot of that comes down to luck. Remember the one year ADB scored "only" 18 goals? he shot 8.7% that year vs a 14.2% career avg. The playoffs are even a smaller sample size, and with him being the regular season scoring leader it would make sense that teams would key on trying to shut him down.

He was basically 60/40 scoring chances for/against in the playoffs. I don't like the contract, but I really like the player.

As I mentioned before, I would bet Dallas is going to look a lot different next year.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jun 19 @ 11:51 AM ET
I think it's in plat but would have to a offer Hawks could not pass up.
- Scott1977

No idea wtf you just tried to say
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 11:52 AM ET
Is he injured? I'm pretty sure if the player is injured they can not buy him out.
- breadbag


It's a glitch on Capwages. It says that the contract ends before the next buyout window which is false. It says the same thing about Brodie.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Jun 19 @ 11:53 AM ET
Is he injured? I'm pretty sure if the player is injured they can not buy him out.
- breadbag

The site claims his contract ends before the next buyout window if you click on his buyout tab on his profile page. 48 hour window starts today so it may not be updated on their site
DarthKane
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: 5.13.4.9
Joined: 02.23.2012

Jun 19 @ 12:03 PM ET
Agree. the Isles need to add.
- HawkintheD


Eiserman, Ritchie, Holstrom for #3, Allan, Reichel, Dach
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jun 19 @ 12:03 PM ET
It's a glitch on Capwages. It says that the contract ends before the next buyout window which is false. It says the same thing about Brodie.
- Chunk


Matt Dumba
2025-26 2026-27
Base Salary
($3.50M)
-
Total Salary ($3.50M)
-
Signing Bonus
-
-
Annual Buyout Cost $1.17M $1.17M
Original Cap Hit
$3.75M
-
Stars logo.
Actual Cap Hit
$1.42M
$1.17M
Stars logo.
Savings
100.0%
$2.33M
$-1.17M

So it’s $1.42M this year and $1.17M next year
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Jun 19 @ 12:08 PM ET
Matt Duchene’s contract.

2025-26: $3MM base salary, $3MM signing bonus
2026-27: $1.8MM base salary, $3MM signing bonus
2027-28: $3.6MM base salary
2028-29: $3.6MM base salary

Edit- Dallas is in cap hell, trade for Wyatt Johnston. Sorry Chunk, not a Robertson fan.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 19 @ 12:25 PM ET
It's definitely two years too long, but he's a very good player. Even in the playoffs, he generated a ton of chances (I believe top 10 among all playoff participants), but he had only a 2.8% shooting percentage. A lot of that comes down to luck. Remember the one year ADB scored "only" 18 goals? he shot 8.7% that year vs a 14.2% career avg. The playoffs are even a smaller sample size, and with him being the regular season scoring leader it would make sense that teams would key on trying to shut him down.

He was basically 60/40 scoring chances for/against in the playoffs. I don't like the contract, but I really like the player.

As I mentioned before, I would bet Dallas is going to look a lot different next year.

- Chunk


IMO, the problem with Duchene in the playoffs was a lot more than bad luck. Not saying luck doesn't play a part, but just IMO that's minimizing it. Sure, he was leading his team is missing the net with his shots, but I think also it's not random chance that his effectiveness went down as time and space became more difficult. As he had to play good NHL teams night after night and couldn't play against any bottom feeders.

He didn't manage a single even strength point over what was effectively a quarter of a season while his line was scored on often. Every player has slumps but he just doesn't bring much else to the table. He isn't the guy you want against the other team's top 2 lines.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just I think he is just going to continue to struggle in the tight checking of the playoffs. If I was a GM, I wouldn't give that guy more than 1 year or 2 years on a deal. (Probably good thing that I'm not a GM though)

I feel like he is one step above Jeff Skinner. That might be just me, but I feel like the holes in his game are just going to widen.
breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Jun 19 @ 12:36 PM ET
Matt Duchene’s contract.

2025-26: $3MM base salary, $3MM signing bonus
2026-27: $1.8MM base salary, $3MM signing bonus
2027-28: $3.6MM base salary
2028-29: $3.6MM base salary

Edit- Dallas is in cap hell, trade for Wyatt Johnston. Sorry Chunk, not a Robertson fan.

- Angotti


It's fun to watch teams in cap hell after the Hawks struggled with it for years. The names I've heard "rumored" to be in play are Marchment, Dumba, Lyubushkin. I know it's probably not likely, but if I was the GM, I'd explore if moving Seguin is a possibility. I know he has a NMC, but if a deal can be made, that frees up a lot of space and moves out a guy who is probably 55 to 60 points at best from here on out.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 19 @ 12:53 PM ET
Good perspective...solid deal

If he nets 20 goals a season over the next 2 years that's a win for the Hocks

- captainserious

15 goals at the midway point and he's gone for a #1 before he gets too old.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 19 @ 12:56 PM ET
Who knows what a return would be if the Hawks traded the 3 overall pick. I think it's in plat but would have to a offer Hawks could not pass up.
- Scott1977

I don't expect that to happen.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Jun 19 @ 12:59 PM ET
Eiserman, Ritchie, Holstrom for #3, Allan, Reichel, Bedard.
- DarthKane

Fixed.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 1:00 PM ET
IMO, the problem with Duchene in the playoffs was a lot more than bad luck. Not saying luck doesn't play a part, but just IMO that's minimizing it. Sure, he was leading his team is missing the net with his shots, but I think also it's not random chance that his effectiveness went down as time and space became more difficult. As he had to play good NHL teams night after night and couldn't play against any bottom feeders.

He didn't manage a single even strength point over what was effectively a quarter of a season while his line was scored on often. Every player has slumps but he just doesn't bring much else to the table. He isn't the guy you want against the other team's top 2 lines.

I'm not disagreeing with you, just I think he is just going to continue to struggle in the tight checking of the playoffs. If I was a GM, I wouldn't give that guy more than 1 year or 2 years on a deal. (Probably good thing that I'm not a GM though)

I feel like he is one step above Jeff Skinner. That might be just me, but I feel like the holes in his game are just going to widen.

- breadbag


You're not wrong. I admitted that the term was at least two years too long. I thought he still generated a lot in the PO's, but there really wasn't a lot of finish and your explanations are likley spot on as to why.

Your last statement is spot on. He certainly isn't going to be getting better.
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Jun 19 @ 1:50 PM ET
@frank_servalli
Matt Duchene’s four-year extension with #TexasHockey    carries a $4.5 million AAV.

He got Donaton money
Or did Donato get Duchene money?

Don't like the 4 years

Wonder what this means for Robo?

- captainserious


I would assume a trade for Robo is already agreed to.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 19 @ 1:58 PM ET
It's definitely two years too long, but he's a very good player. Even in the playoffs, he generated a ton of chances (I believe top 10 among all playoff participants), but he had only a 2.8% shooting percentage. A lot of that comes down to luck. Remember the one year ADB scored "only" 18 goals? he shot 8.7% that year vs a 14.2% career avg. The playoffs are even a smaller sample size, and with him being the regular season scoring leader it would make sense that teams would key on trying to shut him down.

He was basically 60/40 scoring chances for/against in the playoffs. I don't like the contract, but I really like the player.

As I mentioned before, I would bet Dallas is going to look a lot different next year.

- Chunk


Id say if he didn't perform well in the playoffs 1 year I'd agree, but it's been 2 years in a row, he is what he is in my opinion, he just doesn't have the skill to do it against higher competition. He's almost 35 and this is the guy you sign, yikes.

I know I've been given a lot of poop about Strome, but i do agree with you and many here who said he plays a finesse game but I've always said he's a top 6 player he just needs to get games under his belt. Duchene may have more speed but he's the same kind of player avoids contact at all costs.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Jun 19 @ 2:02 PM ET
I would assume a trade for Robo is already agreed to.
- vabeachbear


It'll be really interesting to see how it all unfolds. As I've said before i would see what Seguin would cost.
MartiniMan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Santa Fe, NM
Joined: 10.01.2006

Jun 19 @ 2:05 PM ET
I would assume a trade for Robo is already agreed to.
- vabeachbear


Or possibly Marchment.
frafra
Location: Chicago, IL
Joined: 10.21.2011

Jun 19 @ 2:26 PM ET
The Hawks shouldn't be doing any teams' favors by taking on bad contracts unless they are getting something to help their future with it. I am thinking about the Dallas Stars as I type this out.

On a side note, I also find it interesting how many people are willing to toss in some of the Hawks' young defensemen (like Korchinski) into deals. The Hawks are sitting on a gold mine of young talent. Their blue line is going to be full of youth this year, and there will be struggles that come with that... they are all far from complete, but have the chance to be collectively outstanding in a few seasons. I hope they DON'T jeopardize that and make decisions in haste or because of impatience.

If the Hawks move the #3, they need to get a stud for it... No projects of 'potential'...they need a difference maker and a player(s) who will be here for the long haul.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 2:41 PM ET
Id say if he didn't perform well in the playoffs 1 year I'd agree, but it's been 2 years in a row, he is what he is in my opinion, he just doesn't have the skill to do it against higher competition. He's almost 35 and this is the guy you sign, yikes.

I know I've been given a lot of poop about Strome, but i do agree with you and many here who said he plays a finesse game but I've always said he's a top 6 player he just needs to get games under his belt. Duchene may have more speed but he's the same kind of player avoids contact at all costs.

- BetweenTheDots


Strome is one of the best "passengers" in the league. Give him some good players around him and he knows where to go and has the hands to set guys up. He's actually a really smart player. The issue is that he's not great defensively and as you mentioned a bit slow.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Jun 19 @ 3:01 PM ET
Or possibly Marchment.
- MartiniMan


I wouldn't be against that at all. Has a history of putting up >0.5 PPG and is a big guy (actually big, not just tall).
Scott1977
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Yorkville, IL
Joined: 08.30.2012

Jun 19 @ 3:13 PM ET
No idea wtf you just tried to say
- Assman22

So what I m saying is if the the Hawks 3rd
overall pick is truly in play and open to trade discussions it would have to be for an offer that gets a top line young player 23 to 26 or a package deal with multiple 1sts and one year away prospects. What a trade would look like is anybodies guess I and all of us can guess for discussion sake. But until something happens it's a waiting game.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 19 @ 3:17 PM ET
True he didn't have the best playoffs but i think this is a guy who can win you faceoffs, team leader, net front presence, he would make a lot of little things better for the Blackhawks offensively and defensively.
- BetweenTheDots

Not to be an ass, however, I think he just a player you know. He has slowwwed down a lot and he looked like a beer leaguer out there as the Oilers flew by him.
Elbows15
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: I was going to do the math on this but I don't think it will help., IL
Joined: 08.04.2013

Jun 19 @ 3:18 PM ET
So what I m saying is if the the Hawks 3rd
overall pick is truly in play and open to trade discussions it would have to be for an offer that gets a top line young player 23 to 26 or a package deal with multiple 1sts and one year away prospects. What a trade would look like is anybodies guess I and all of us can guess for discussion sake. But until something happens it's a waiting game.

- Scott1977

Never explain yourself, Scott.
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Jun 19 @ 5:45 PM ET
I'm guessing there will be big changes in DAL, just from the math alone. As it stands right now, the Stars are at the cap with 9 F, 7 D and 2 G.

Wouldn't surprise me to see all of Marchment, Robertson, and Dumba moved out (or in Dumba's case bought out). Reminds me of the year that Stan needed to move Sharp and Oduya.

- Chunk


Both Robo and Harley are RFAs after next season.
I think Harley is in for a nice payday as well.

I'd take Seguin off their hands if they don't want to move Robo. But they are going to have to add more than a 1st round pick. Not sure what their prospect pool looks like.
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