What are you basing your comments on here? Just that you like them better, or is there an actual argument?

Yes, he’s better than Strome, and Dubois. Point generation and playoff success alone, I’ll go back and check the defensive metrics, but I’m pretty sure those are a wash at best.

I’ll say Stutzle is a wash, but what argument is there to say that Fantilli, McTavish, and Cooley are better, outside the fact that you say so? Is that’s your argument, then there’s no point in furthering the discussion.
- Chunk

All your pointing out is that he's old compared to latter 3.

Stutzle is a wash to Robertson, yea okay

So your argument is based on Robertson s productivity with stacked lineups compared to guys who have been drafted in the top 3 on bad teams

Robertson isn't a point per game player on the Blackhawks

Hahaha you're probably right

But we wouldn't have to give up the 3rd OA pick for him either. I'm still curious about the cyst removed from his foot?
- BetweenTheDots

I’ve had two cysts removed, one from my back and a baker’s cyst, a cyst behind the knee. Unless the cyst should rupture before surgery it’s a complete non issue. Once the stitches were out I was back to 100%. Not sure why you’re hung up on a cyst removal? My main concern about Robertson is his average skating.

I’ve had two cysts removed, one from my back and a baker’s cyst, a cyst behind the knee. Unless the cyst should rupture before surgery it’s a complete non issue. Once the stitches were out I was back to 100%. Not sure why you’re hung up on a cyst removal? My main concern about Robertson is his average skating.
- paulr

So you'd be good with trading the 3rd OA pick for Robertson or is his skating a deal breaker?

So you'd be good with trading the 3rd OA pick for Robertson or is his skating a deal breaker?
- BetweenTheDots

Not a chance. Toronto’s pick maybe, but not the third overall.

Question to the board what other players in this are kinda the same type of player like Brady martin?

Question to the board what other players in this are kinda the same type of player like Brady martin?
- Scott1977

Braeden Cootes is supposed to be another guy with a high motor who hits everything in an opposition sweater.

All your pointing out is that he's old compared to latter 3.

Stutzle is a wash to Robertson, yea okay

So your argument is based on Robertson s productivity with stacked lineups compared to guys who have been drafted in the top 3 on bad teams

Robertson isn't a point per game player on the Blackhawks
- BetweenTheDots

No, my argument is that he is an extremely high performing, consistent player who backs up his performance in the playoffs (in fact, his defensive metrics were a bit better in the playoffs). He's 26 (soon) and the Hawks could certainly use him on the ice and the cap number as well.

I have no idea what the actual cost would be to acquire him. I'm just saying that I personally would give up the 3OA in this particular draft to get him. If they can get him for less, great. Everyone wins. No one after Schaeffer and Misa is projected to be a main guy. They're all complementary players - which isn't a bad thing and not a knock on them, but I'd say Robertson being the young established player provides more value with that pick than the kids would.

Not a chance. Toronto’s pick maybe, but not the third overall.
- paulr

So is Hagens your pick?

So is Hagens your pick?
- Chunk

My pick is who KD picks.

My pick is who KD picks.
- paulr

Windsock!

Windsock!
- Chunk

Am not!

Unless he wants back on the line with Frank, then he could wait out the team that trades for him also, and still end up here.
- vabeachbear

Touche

I'm pretty sure, the acquiring team would require the kid to sign before any trade was completed. Everyone remembers the Vesey trade to Buffalo where he ended up walking anyway.
- Chunk

Pretty sure that's the point he's making in saying so. Chicago would be the team that wouldn't need him to sign here before the trade in order for it to be completed. Gotta love leverage if/when it works in your favor

Nice job on the prospects!
And I agree, Tampa is going to want a 2nd liner or 3rd liner.
Or maybe even a Connor Murphy? Just don't think Kyle is going to be ready to move Murph until he sees if Lev/Rinzel/Korch can play in the NHL this season without hurting the team too much.
- captainserious

Next season is the last one on Murphy's contract. I anticipate him being dealt by the next deadline, assuming he's healthy. Foligno, D*ckinson, and Mikheyev are also in the same boat. Could be the year the training wheels finally come off.

Those four constitute about $17 mill in cap hits, so they have to be aware of the cap floor when it comes time to make the trades.

Murphy is an RHD. As are Rinzel and Levshunov, so they have room in that regard to make the trade from that perspective. And teams do seem to need RHD's often enough.

No, my argument is that he is an extremely high performing, consistent player who backs up his performance in the playoffs (in fact, his defensive metrics were a bit better in the playoffs). He's 26 (soon) and the Hawks could certainly use him on the ice and the cap number as well.

I have no idea what the actual cost would be to acquire him. I'm just saying that I personally would give up the 3OA in this particular draft to get him. If they can get him for less, great. Everyone wins. No one after Schaeffer and Misa is projected to be a main guy. They're all complementary players - which isn't a bad thing and not a knock on them, but I'd say Robertson being the young established player provides more value with that pick than the kids would.
- Chunk

He doesn't fit their time line otherwise they could of kept Hagel and Debrincat.

I just disagree with you, Robertson is not worth the 3rd OA pick.

He doesn't fit their time line otherwise they could of kept Hagel and Debrincat.

I just disagree with you, Robertson is not worth the 3rd OA pick.
- BetweenTheDots

This is the most nonsensical poop I've read. The reason that I've even proposing that the Hawks go after Robertson is BECAUSE they've already made a ton of picks and have all the prospects. Those two trades were necessitated because they didn't have a prospect pipeline. Now that they do (top 5 in the league), now is the time to actually build up the team.

It's very likely that he is not worth the 3OA. I'm just saying that right now it is perfectly justifiable since there aren't really any gamebreakers in the 3-10 draft slots and you are basically hoping that the guy you draft there is going to become a player as good as Robertson. The team needs guy that will help improve them now. He is just turning 26 in a few weeks. Are you anticipating that the entire team is going to be made up of draft picks? How exactly does that fit in the cap? They need enough to get to the floor.

What moves are you making at this offseason to get the team over the cap floor?

This is the most nonsensical poop I've read. The reason that I've even proposing that the Hawks go after Robertson is BECAUSE they've already made a ton of picks and have all the prospects. Those two trades were necessitated because they didn't have a prospect pipeline. Now that they do (top 5 in the league), now is the time to actually build up the team.

It's very likely that he is not worth the 3OA. I'm just saying that right now it is perfectly justifiable since there aren't really any gamebreakers in the 3-10 draft slots and you are basically hoping that the guy you draft there is going to become a player as good as Robertson. The team needs guy that will help improve them now. He is just turning 26 in a few weeks. Are you anticipating that the entire team is going to be made up of draft picks? How exactly does that fit in the cap? They need enough to get to the floor.

What moves are you making at this offseason to get the team over the cap floor?
- Chunk

Just saw this post on X/Twit...Servalli has been right with a few Hocks things the last few years:

Frank Seravalli on if Chicago will make a big splash this summer.

“Free agency, no. I don’t think they’re going to be out spending crazy money…

…I do think they want to be really active on the trade market & I do think the #3 overall pick is in play.”

Robo to Hocks for 3OA!
Do it Kyle!
I'd do that in a heartbeat. You get a sure thing star player. 26 years old,has probably 4 peak season still in him,and then depending on injuries/him taking care of himself , he still has another 3 good years after that.

Robo is a sure thing that can help the team win now.
3rd pick in the draft is more of a : I hope he'll be good in 2-3 years

This is the most nonsensical poop I've read. The reason that I've even proposing that the Hawks go after Robertson is BECAUSE they've already made a ton of picks and have all the prospects. Those two trades were necessitated because they didn't have a prospect pipeline. Now that they do (top 5 in the league), now is the time to actually build up the team.

It's very likely that he is not worth the 3OA. I'm just saying that right now it is perfectly justifiable since there aren't really any gamebreakers in the 3-10 draft slots and you are basically hoping that the guy you draft there is going to become a player as good as Robertson. The team needs guy that will help improve them now. He is just turning 26 in a few weeks. Are you anticipating that the entire team is going to be made up of draft picks? How exactly does that fit in the cap? They need enough to get to the floor.

What moves are you making at this offseason to get the team over the cap floor?
- Chunk

The team does need help but I'm not signing Marner and I'm not trading the 3rd OA pick.

Glad i could throw some nonsensical poop in there for you.

Glad to see you're justifying trading the 3rd OA pick, now that's nonsensical, maybe not the most but it's up there

So we trade Cat for the 7th OA, 4 years later we trade the 3rd OA for Robertson, yea that's a great idea.

Just saw this post on X/Twit...Servalli has been right with a few Hocks things the last few years:

Frank Seravalli on if Chicago will make a big splash this summer.

“Free agency, no. I don’t think they’re going to be out spending crazy money…

…I do think they want to be really active on the trade market & I do think the #3 overall pick is in play.”

Robo to Hocks for 3OA!
Do it Kyle!
I'd do that in a heartbeat. You get a sure thing star player. 26 years old,has probably 4 peak season still in him,and then depending on injuries/him taking care of himself , he still has another 3 good years after that.

Robo is a sure thing that can help the team win now.
3rd pick in the draft is more of a : I hope he'll be good in 2-3 years
- captainserious

I really hope it's for someone better and younger if they actually give up the 3rd OA pick.

The team does need help but I'm not signing Marner and I'm not trading the 3rd OA pick.

Glad i could throw some nonsensical poop in there for you.

Glad to see you're justifying trading the 3rd OA pick, now that's nonsensical, maybe not the most but it's up there

So we trade Cat for the 7th OA, 4 years later we trade the 3rd OA for Robertson, yea that's a great idea.
- BetweenTheDots

Fine, what move(s) WOULD you make to get this team cap compliant? All you've done is say what you won't do.

Who in this draft projects to be better than Robertson (aside from Misa or Schaeffer)? Indeed I did justify my position which is what one does when there is a difference of opinion - not just dismiss the other because you don't agree with it.

Yes, you trade ADB when you have zero prospects, and you trade excess draft capital NOW after you've built that pipeline up and still have excess capital left this year and in draft years that are projected to be stronger classes. Where's the disconnect?

I really hope it's for someone better and younger if they actually give up the 3rd OA pick.
- BetweenTheDots

Who in the league is better and younger? Would they even be available for the 3rd overall? Dallas is in a pinch due to the cap, which is the only reason I'm concentrating on Robertson. It has a minute chance of happening.

Fine, what move(s) WOULD you make to get this team cap compliant? All you've done is say what you won't do.

Who in this draft projects to be better than Robertson (aside from Misa or Schaeffer)? Indeed I did justify my position which is what one does when there is a difference of opinion - not just dismiss the other because you don't agree with it.

Yes, you trade ADB when you have zero prospects, and you trade excess draft capital NOW after you've built that pipeline up and still have excess capital left this year and in draft years that are projected to be stronger classes. Where's the disconnect?
- Chunk

Free agency

Excess draft capital, sure but still not the 3rd OA pick, this pick will be right in the middle of the time line, not 29, 30 years old

Who in the league is better and younger? Would they even be available for the 3rd overall? Dallas is in a pinch due to the cap, which is the only reason I'm concentrating on Robertson. It has a minute chance of happening.
- Chunk

You can yell all you want from your soap box but he's not worth the 3rd OA pick.

Can't believe how little you value the 3rd OA pick

Granted they say there is Misa, Schaefer and everyone else but if Frondell compared to Barkov, Desnoyer compared to Toews, Hagens compared to showtime,
Martone compared to the Tkachuk bros.

I'd rather take my chances drafting one of these 4

Granted they say there is Misa, Schaefer and everyone else but if Frondell compared to Barkov, Desnoyer compared to Toews, Hagens compared to showtime,
Martone compared to the Tkachuk bros.

I'd rather take my chances drafting one of these 4
- BetweenTheDots

They are compared to them for the type of games they play, not their projections. I've been listening to every possible scout, show, Pronman/Wheeler-type that is out there and they all say this is an underwhelming class.