Considering there is still this much debate, and seemingly about 5 or 6 legitimate options for the Hawks at #3, does it really matter who they pick? They should be getting a top flight player who at worst will be a solid middle six and at best a top line player.

These are the comps I've heard for some of these guys:
Prime Corey Perry/Tkachuk bros
Bergeron/Toews
Monohan/Suzuki/Horvat
Jack Hughes
Getzlaf

I don't think anyone would be upset with any of those options. This pick is not going to make or break this team. It should add another strong piece, but the Hawks already have plenty of potential.

This is also kind of why I keep wondering if the Hawks use it to trade for an established player.
- Chunk

Your avatar reads Chunk but clearly you must be new to this site.

Your avatar reads Chunk but clearly you must be new to this site.

- HawkintheD

Yeah, I got rid of that guy. He was too wishy washy and couldn't keep a post under 1000 words. It's like he was publishing his thesis here.

To your point, seriously, Misa is clearly the best forward, and Schaefer clearly the best defenseman. Beyond that all the others have notable "flaws", or are lacking in some attribute. Of course there will be the "we have too many small guys" and "that guy can't skate" factions here, but in reality, any of the options at #3 will likely be a really good player.

You know... just like Kirby Dach.

Considering there is still this much debate, and seemingly about 5 or 6 legitimate options for the Hawks at #3, does it really matter who they pick? They should be getting a top flight player who at worst will be a solid middle six and at best a top line player.

These are the comps I've heard for some of these guys:
Prime Corey Perry/Tkachuk bros
Bergeron/Toews
Monohan/Suzuki/Horvat
Jack Hughes
Getzlaf

I don't think anyone would be upset with any of those options. This pick is not going to make or break this team. It should add another strong piece, but the Hawks already have plenty of potential.

This is also kind of why I keep wondering if the Hawks use it to trade for an established player.
- Chunk

Offer the third to the Islanders so they can draft their hometown boy for Cal Ritchie, Cole Eiserman and the Isle’s first (with no draft protection) next year. Ritchie is close to NHL ready, Eiserman may be a year or two away. If it’s too rich for the Islanders KD can use the pick.

Yeah, I got rid of that guy. He was too wishy washy and couldn't keep a post under 1000 words. It's like he was publishing his thesis here.

To your point, seriously, Misa is clearly the best forward, and Schaefer clearly the best defenseman. Beyond that all the others have notable "flaws", or are lacking in some attribute. Of course there will be the "we have too many small guys" and "that guy can't skate" factions here, but in reality, any of the options at #3 will likely be a really good player.

You know... just like Kirby Dach.
- Chunk

Dach's career ended when he played in that tournament and broke his wrist. Everyone knew here (after the fact of course) he should not have played.

Dach's career ended when he played in that tournament and broke his wrist. Everyone knew here (after the fact of course) he should not have played.
- rpeters01

Not to mention a couple concussions and two major knee injuries.

Considering there is still this much debate, and seemingly about 5 or 6 legitimate options for the Hawks at #3, does it really matter who they pick? They should be getting a top flight player who at worst will be a solid middle six and at best a top line player.

These are the comps I've heard for some of these guys:
Prime Corey Perry/Tkachuk bros
Bergeron/Toews
Monohan/Suzuki/Horvat
Jack Hughes
Getzlaf

I don't think anyone would be upset with any of those options. This pick is not going to make or break this team. It should add another strong piece, but the Hawks already have plenty of potential.

This is also kind of why I keep wondering if the Hawks use it to trade for an established player.
- Chunk

imo if the Hawks get a trade package they cannot pass up I think they would trade the pick and move down but it would have to be overwhelming. The rumored trade of bryram and perterka is interesting how valid it is unknown. But I could see getting young established players for that pick. I still think islanders take hagens at 1st overall. Owner gets involved sorta say.

It becomes pretty hard to argue that Seth Jones is a bad defenseman when you watch Florida put their faith in him long term. They put their money where their mouth is and they've played him in so many big minute situations. Going into their third straight finals, his results are good.

Good to see a team get the most out of their players and play as a strong team. Honestly, it's been a good trade, the Hawks got what they needed in a goalie and to move on and get Jones out of the crap situation he was handed in the rebuild.

imo if the Hawks get a trade package they cannot pass up I think they would trade the pick and move down but it would have to be overwhelming. The rumored trade of bryram and perterka is interesting how valid it is unknown. But I could see getting young established players for that pick. I still think islanders take hagens at 1st overall. Owner gets involved sorta say.
- Scott1977

I think that the Hagens going first talk is all from the outside. I don't think there is a chance that he goes to the Isles unless they drop down.

Considering there is still this much debate, and seemingly about 5 or 6 legitimate options for the Hawks at #3, does it really matter who they pick? They should be getting a top flight player who at worst will be a solid middle six and at best a top line player.

These are the comps I've heard for some of these guys:
Prime Corey Perry/Tkachuk bros
Bergeron/Toews
Monohan/Suzuki/Horvat
Jack Hughes
Getzlaf

I don't think anyone would be upset with any of those options. This pick is not going to make or break this team. It should add another strong piece, but the Hawks already have plenty of potential.

This is also kind of why I keep wondering if the Hawks use it to trade for an established player.
- Chunk

IMO, I really don't think they will move this pick unless they get a very good deal. It might not make or break the team, but it's possible they land a very good high end player, something they don't have a ton of. We have a lot of prospects but mostly 2nd and 3rd line types until they prove otherwise. I don't think they will use it to get an established player, unless it's a younger high end established player.

What I mean is, they shouldn't use it to land a 2nd liner (established player) because this is a shot at landing a potential superstar or good 1st line player. We are in the rebuild so we had a few high end picks, but in the grand scheme for a team, top 3 picks don't come around that often. We might be drafting a game changing talent if the Hawks do their homework and nail down the best player.

IMO, I really don't think they will move this pick unless they get a very good deal. It might not make or break the team, but it's possible they land a very good high end player, something they don't have a ton of. We have a lot of prospects but mostly 2nd and 3rd line types until they prove otherwise. I don't think they will use it to get an established player, unless it's a younger high end established player.

What I mean is, they shouldn't use it to land a 2nd liner (established player) because this is a shot at landing a potential superstar or good 1st line player. We are in the rebuild so we had a few high end picks, but in the grand scheme for a team, top 3 picks don't come around that often. We might be drafting a game changing talent if the Hawks do their homework and nail down the best player.
- breadbag

If Schaefer and Misa indeed go 1 and 2, then KD drafts Desnoyers. They already have a potential 40-50 goal scorer in Bedard, go get a 200’ center, those are the guys that you win with. Now, if Misa is still on the board, KD needs to run up to the podium. I don’t want them to give up the farm to move up for Schaefer or Misa, I’d rather have three darts than one.

Not to mention a couple concussions and two major knee injuries.
- Chunk

I see amputation in his future.

It becomes pretty hard to argue that Seth Jones is a bad defenseman when you watch Florida put their faith in him long term. They put their money where their mouth is and they've played him in so many big minute situations. Going into their third straight finals, his results are good.

Good to see a team get the most out of their players and play as a strong team. Honestly, it's been a good trade, the Hawks got what they needed in a goalie and to move on and get Jones out of the crap situation he was handed in the rebuild.
- breadbag

Imagine the nervous breakdown Elbows will have if he wins the Conn Smythe.

I see amputation in his future.
- rpeters01

You're like medical Nostradamus.

It becomes pretty hard to argue that Seth Jones is a bad defenseman when you watch Florida put their faith in him long term. They put their money where their mouth is and they've played him in so many big minute situations. Going into their third straight finals, his results are good.

Good to see a team get the most out of their players and play as a strong team. Honestly, it's been a good trade, the Hawks got what they needed in a goalie and to move on and get Jones out of the crap situation he was handed in the rebuild.
- breadbag

We all have our own opinions, they did win a SC with OEL, the trade is great for them if they do win another SC, but I'm thinking the Oilers are going to be a handful for Seth Jones and Co.

How much did the brief postseason showings for Team Canada and Memorial Cup move the needle on a Martone vs Desnoyers comparison?
- Assman22

Going into the Memorial Cup my biggest interest was Desnoyers in a big tournament that ends up like an NHL playoff series. Lotta hackin and whackin and teams really disliking each other over a 4 team 9 game tournament........ Big boy hockey.

Watching him for a very small sample in the Q, maybe parts of 3ish games, he just didn't seem like a top 5 pick guy. Solid, skilled and a 2 way game but he wasn't impacting games I saw like a top 5 player.

First two Memorial Cup games you'd go long stretches and never hear his name. But you'd see flashes when he skated thru 2 London kids for an in alone showing fine hands. Often enough you'd see him as the F1 on a legit forecheck and then clearing a puck from his own crease....... There is no doubt he's a 2 way C who is serious about his own zone and damn good at it and his offensive stats suffer from that. Like a Toews, Bergeron, Kopitar he won't have gaudy numbers.

Then came last night's game. He was impacting most shifts in a tight game showing a lotta skill, IQ and was really dangerous while playing his customary defensive prowess. ......... I think organIzations are gonna wonder how many of his skills will translate to the Bigs, as with any prospect, but even more so if you're talking using a top 5 pick on the kid.

I think the Memorial Cup, so far, for Denoyers feeds both narratives I read about him. He can be quiet at times while playing tough as nails, this kid is happy to trade 3-4 slashes, middle 6 C hockey and last game showed some really skilled hands, was dangerous in a top 6 way and impacted the game.

I don't think any scout will dispute his defensive play, skating (although not explosive but above average), toughness and IQ. .... Is he a Trocheck/Luostarinen or a Kotkiemi? IMO he'll be a big leaguer just what kind.

Don't wanna miss on a top 5 guy but this kid makes that more palatable cuz of a seemingly really high floor.

Something though I'm wondering about Denoyers. No doubt he's defensively strong yet he's not on their #1 PK. Not sure if he's on any PK......... Don't know if the PK guys are elite on Moncton but Desnoyers for sure is not on the #1 PK.

Odd that his coach 80 games in doesn't have him on the PK.

I think that the Hagens going first talk is all from the outside. I don't think there is a chance that he goes to the Isles unless they drop down.
- Chunk

I agree but if the owner steps in, unlikely, and sees the potential for marketing and putting fans in the seats money trumps alot of things. Do ithink it will happen no.

Not to mention a couple concussions and two major knee injuries.
- Chunk

And cursed.

Imagine the nervous breakdown Elbows will have if he wins the Conn Smythe.
- rpeters01

Yeah, I am not worried. Has as much chance of happening as Korbustsky still being with Hawks at 25

I agree but if the owner steps in, unlikely, and sees the potential for marketing and putting fans in the seats money trumps alot of things. Do ithink it will happen no.
- Scott1977

I agree unlikely, but possible. The one other argument that carries some water is that Hagens, being a hometown kid, would be more likely to sign a long term contract after his entry level deal (or later as a UFA) than other potential picks. Obviously it is not this black and white, but would you rather have (i) Misa or Schaefer for 3-7 years or (ii) Hagens through his entire prime.

Something though I'm wondering about Denoyers. No doubt he's defensively strong yet he's not on their #1 PK. Not sure if he's on any PK......... Don't know if the PK guys are elite on Moncton but Desnoyers for sure is not on the #1 PK.

Odd that his coach 80 games in doesn't have him on the PK.
- Mr Ricochet

Caleb averaged a minute per game of PK time (vs 3 minutes of PP time and 19 minutes overall). Notably, he is their key face off guy with a stunning 69% win percentage.

I honestly can't, him or O'brien.
- BetweenTheDots

O"Brien wishes he had the pins Frondell does...

Meet the best 4th liner to be selected in the first round (or then some...):

https://www.lines.com/nhl/drafts/player/shane-vansaghi-40935

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-soRpOpXa6k

https://video.search.yaho...3adc9d0319086&action=view

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0D_guCd0QJA. <----TV News

Caleb averaged a minute per game of PK time (vs 3 minutes of PP time and 19 minutes overall). Notably, he is their key face off guy with a stunning 69% win percentage.
- LetsGoHawks

Thanks, LGH.... Are you watching the Memorial Cup and what are your thoughts on Desnoyers?... The Gill kid on D for Moncton is a nice player. High IQ, resembles how Seabs played the game. Dude just makes plays in all 3 zones.

And that Frenchy goalie for Moncton was exceptional v London. 7-8 prime Grade A's he kicked out in the first two periods. .\

Select best available, if it’s Hagens then look for size and try to trade up to get Malcolm Spence and look for Billy Zonnon or Vaclav Nestrasil in the second round. I’ve read Nestrasil may be the meanest SOB in the draft.