Like Breadbag mentioned, you don’t take into account the person on the other side of the table is a human with an agent. He’s not taking whatever just because it is good for the team.

I seem to recall reading in some circles prognosticating on Vlasic's deal would be north of $5M. So yes he took a hometown discount.

You also didn’t answer my question. With the Cap going up players are going to get more money. What’s $4.6M today could be $6.6M in a couple years. If Vlasic keeps playing like he has and even progresses a little, that contract will have aged really well.

Yes you are negative and nitpicking and like I said, the only person anywhere who had an issue with the deal.

Your last “snarky” comment is more pure idiocy than snark. What should the Hawks have gotten for Hall? Did you really think Jones would get traded without any salary retention? The fact that they only had to reatin $2.5M, got a 1st and Knight for a guy that didn’t want to be there.

Another good piece of biz by KFC but somehow you’re unhappy.
- HawkintheD

If Alex Vlasic did not like the Hawks Bridge offer he could play in Russia or take a job on Wall Street. Neither would pay him $4 million and the Hawks keep his NHL rights. The players get a mountain of leverage when they are UFAs. That is why I think a GM should delay that time as long as possible.

I tried to make the point about Vlasic as keeping him as long as possible not only about the money. Sorry if I was not clear. Yes it could be a high value deal for the Hawks. If he is a Norris Trophy Candidate at 28 and a UFA at 29, going to be hard to get him signed. Self inflicted wound.

Jones deal could turn out well. Knight might be a long term #1 and a later 1st round pick is valuable. Too early to make a definitive call either way.

As for Hall, the Hawks retained +/-$3.8 million after losing the end of Halls contract vs 50% of Rantanen. Typically $3.8 retention is worth a 2nd rounder. But even worse, do you remember when teams wouldn't trade in Division because they didn't want to see that player over and over? KD got low value for the money and it allowed Dallas, a divisional competitor, to get stronger for many years. Dallas is a team the Hawks have to jump to get into the playoffs. Lets see the value of the 3rd rounder vs how many points Rantanen gets against the Hawks over the next 8 years and how hard it is to pass Dallas.

If Alex Vlasic did not like the Hawks Bridge offer he could play in Russia or take a job on Wall Street. Neither would pay him $4 million and the Hawks keep his NHL rights. The players get a mountain of leverage when they are UFAs. That is why I think a GM should delay that time as long as possible.

I tried to make the point about Vlasic as keeping him as long as possible not only about the money. Sorry if I was not clear. Yes it could be a high value deal for the Hawks. If he is a Norris Trophy Candidate at 28 and a UFA at 29, going to be hard to get him signed. Self inflicted wound.

Jones deal could turn out well. Knight might be a long term #1 and a later 1st round pick is valuable. Too early to make a definitive call either way.

As for Hall, the Hawks retained +/-$3.8 million after losing the end of Halls contract vs 50% of Rantanen. Typically $3.8 retention is worth a 2nd rounder. But even worse, do you remember when teams wouldn't trade in Division because they didn't want to see that player over and over? KD got low value for the money and it allowed Dallas, a divisional competitor, to get stronger for many years. Dallas is a team the Hawks have to jump to get into the playoffs. Lets see the value of the 3rd rounder vs how many points Rantanen gets against the Hawks over the next 8 years and how hard it is to pass Dallas.
- stevefrmglencoe

Dallas is going to have over $50 million invested in 7 forwards next year, i believe $90 mil in 13 players?

We'll see how they juggle that

Dallas is going to have over $50 million invested in 7 forwards next year, i believe $90 mil in 13 players?

We'll see how they juggle that
- BetweenTheDots

Offersheet bourqe 3x3 or something like that

Assuming Misa and Schaefer are already selected who do you like?
- paulr

That's a tough one for sure. Without the benefit of interviewing the kids and because I haven't personally watched a lot of these guys in particular, I'm going to say based off what I read, it's hard to pass on Hagens. He might be the best offensive weapon in this draft. I think gun to my head that is who I'd pick. There are definitely cases to be made for a lot of guys at #3. O'Brien, Martone, Desnoyers, Frondell I think are all very real possibilities. I just really hope the team zero's in on the best talent because top 3 picks aren't that common and we might not get another one for a while, so just hope they can zero in on the best talent/skill. We want a high end guy with #3 when it comes to offense or someone with elite 2 way talent.

That's a tough one for sure. Without the benefit of interviewing the kids and because I haven't personally watched a lot of these guys in particular, I'm going to say based off what I read, it's hard to pass on Hagens. He might be the best offensive weapon in this draft. I think gun to my head that is who I'd pick. There are definitely cases to be made for a lot of guys at #3. O'Brien, Martone, Desnoyers, Frondell I think are all very real possibilities. I just really hope the team zero's in on the best talent because top 3 picks aren't that common and we might not get another one for a while, so just hope they can zero in on the best talent/skill. We want a high end guy with #3 when it comes to offense or someone with elite 2 way talent.
- breadbag

IIRC, Hagens was the consensus #1 pick after last year's draft. I hope they go with BPA on their board. I do like Martone and Desnoyers a lot, but I'll trust our scouts. They've seemed to do a good job the last couple of years.

Geez Wiz or is that gee wiz? Even my delux super secret decoder ring can’t decipher this!
- paulr

I will send the decoder I got with Ovaltine jar labels...Captain Midnight (not Jet Jackson)

This! Take the best hockey player. Not the best big player.
- rpeters01

Holy Hagens, rPeters out!


Moncton started the 3rd scoring making it 2-1 Medicine Hat.

Caroline snapped their 15 game conference final game losing streak and stayed alive.

Caroline snapped their 15 game conference final game losing streak and stayed alive.
- breadbag

The Canes D literally shut down Fla. Very few high danger scoring chances.

And no bad turnovers.

The Canes D literally shut down Fla. Very few high danger scoring chances.

And no bad turnovers.
- Snakebit12

Unfortunately too little too late.

It was nice to see the Canes finally show up. Where was the linesman on that offside goal? I saw it immediately!

Unfortunately too little too late.
- paulr

Almost certainly.

Fla did cough up a 3-0 lead in the SCF last year.

Suspect this will go 6 (assuming Reinhart and Mikola return).

Yeah, I sometimes think a great game in the spotlight does less for where you are drafted, but really saw nothing that will bring Desnoyers up in the draft rankings.

His club, his hulking offensive Philly drafted defensive prospect, Spencer Gill and their cohorts tried to match play in their two games, but the depth of the three other competitors and overall player quality on those clubs extend deeper in the team depth.

And poor Caleb "Denoyers" when the final 5 minutes counts off, takes cuts 2 more minutes off the time you want to tie it up. His Moncton Wildcats killed his time, so he sees one shift, with little positive happening his way, and then it's three remaining with what for sure is his last shift.
Middle zone draw and he is "matched" against Columbus' Cayden Lindstrom in the RW against the boards. The puck flies to their side, and Desnoyers stick hits Lindstrom's teeth which would have to called a pretty darn bit of uncontrollability.

Desnoyers hits the sin bin. Medicine Hat Tiger win.

IIRC, Hagens was the consensus #1 pick after last year's draft. I hope they go with BPA on their board. I do like Martone and Desnoyers a lot, but I'll trust our scouts. They've seemed to do a good job the last couple of years.
- tvetter

Hopefully, they don't over think it.

Hopefully, they don't over think it.
- vabeachbear

I don't know how many draft picks will be pro's, i just know that they weren't very good at it in the 2000s, better in the 2000teens, but I'm very impressed at the draft picks after the 2018 draft, sure Kirby was a bust, there's that size thing rearing its ugly head, but they seem to have figured something out in analyzing players, i like so many of them.

Can get Mica Z. and two young 24-25 forwards and centre McTavish.

looks like Bedsy and Nazar settle in at wing.
- wiz1901

Please explain why Mika Z. His cap hit is $8.5 mill, with four seasons to go. He is 32 years old, and two seasons removed from his high water mark 91 point season. This season's output was 58 points There's also the NMC to deal with, anyway. I don't see him waiving it to come here.

But, would anybody here trade Bertuzzi for him? Could Mika Z be had for half retained? What happened to Mika Z, exactly? Is it a product of Ranger dysfunction? Injuries we don't know about? Or is he in real decline now?

I don't know how many draft picks will be pro's, i just know that they weren't very good at it in the 2000s, better in the 2000teens, but I'm very impressed at the draft picks after the 2018 draft, sure Kirby was a bust, there's that size thing rearing its ugly head, but they seem to have figured something out in analyzing players, i like so many of them.
- BetweenTheDots

If you told me 8 months ago that Hagens would have a very good frosh season in college, be one of the best players on the back to back Gold Medal team at the World Jrs, and the Hawks would kind of have a slam dunk to get him, I would have been extremely happy.

Don't over think it. They'll get the proposed #1 talent in the draft without having to win their 2nd and final lottery.

That'll be for Mckenna next year................

If you told me 8 months ago that Hagens would have a very good frosh season in college, be one of the best players on the back to back Gold Medal team at the World Jrs, and the Hawks would kind of have a slam dunk to get him, I would have been extremely happy.

Don't over think it. They'll get the proposed #1 talent in the draft without having to win their 2nd and final lottery.

That'll be for Mckenna next year................
- vabeachbear

And when i think about it, i think Jarvis and Stanky have been the best forwards for Carolina in the playoffs, 2 little guys, boy are those Russians contact averse in Carolina

And when i think about it, i think Jarvis and Stanky have been the best forwards for Carolina in the playoffs, 2 little guys, boy are those Russians contact averse in Carolina
- BetweenTheDots

It's not that you can't have any small guys to be effective. Guys like Brayden point, Tyler Johnson, Andrew Shaw, etc have all been extremely important playoff performers for their teams. The only thing is that you need a variety of players. You need some d-men that can skate, move the puck and generate scoring as much as you need steady defensive players that can shut others down. You need speed merchants on the forecheck, playmakers, scorers, net front guys, etc.

I like Martone because he seems to bring a lot of different things. Here are his strengths according to the Hockey Writers:

Work ethic, competitive drive and strong mentality
Physical presence
Excellent hands and puck control
Playmaking vision
Excels in tight spaces and in front of the net

Improvements to make include:

Could add more speed and agility
Have slightly better shot selection

I'm not going to be upset by really any conceivable pick that they make outside of them pulling this year's "Barrett Hayton" out of a hat. The really interesting thing over the next 2-3 years is seeing which of their later round picks come through and make a name for themselves.

It's not that you can't have any small guys to be effective. Guys like Brayden point, Tyler Johnson, Andrew Shaw, etc have all been extremely important playoff performers for their teams. The only thing is that you need a variety of players. You need some d-men that can skate, move the puck and generate scoring as much as you need steady defensive players that can shut others down. You need speed merchants on the forecheck, playmakers, scorers, net front guys, etc.

I like Martone because he seems to bring a lot of different things. Here are his strengths according to the Hockey Writers:

Work ethic, competitive drive and strong mentality
Physical presence
Excellent hands and puck control
Playmaking vision
Excels in tight spaces and in front of the net

Improvements to make include:

Could add more speed and agility
Have slightly better shot selection

I'm not going to be upset by really any conceivable pick that they make outside of them pulling this year's "Barrett Hayton" out of a hat. The really interesting thing over the next 2-3 years is seeing which of their later round picks come through and make a name for themselves.
- Chunk

I don't disagree so long as they don't force that variety. Talent first, size has got to be the last consideration on the list when drafting 3rd OA.

I don't know how many draft picks will be pro's, i just know that they weren't very good at it in the 2000s, better in the 2000teens, but I'm very impressed at the draft picks after the 2018 draft, sure Kirby was a bust, there's that size thing rearing its ugly head, but they seem to have figured something out in analyzing players, i like so many of them.
- BetweenTheDots

KFC is big on quantitative analytics. Who knows what variables they're using in their regression analysis?

Please explain why Mika Z. His cap hit is $8.5 mill, with four seasons to go. He is 32 years old, and two seasons removed from his high water mark 91 point season. This season's output was 58 points There's also the NMC to deal with, anyway. I don't see him waiving it to come here.

But, would anybody here trade Bertuzzi for him? Could Mika Z be had for half retained? What happened to Mika Z, exactly? Is it a product of Ranger dysfunction? Injuries we don't know about? Or is he in real decline now?
- 333inthe3rd

In two years Donato could be the same.

KFC is big on quantitative analytics. Who knows what variables they're using in their regression analysis?
- rpeters01

I'll be happy if they draft Hagens or Martone, Desnoyers on all the tape i could watch on him didn't really stand out to me, he was pretty unspectacular. Or if by chance Misa falls to us, it's always been one of those 3 and i really haven't seen anything in Desnoyers, and the other guy to change my mind.

In two years Donato could be the same.
- rpeters01

Not at $8.5M he won't.

I'll be happy if they draft Hagens or Martone, Desnoyers on all the tape i could watch on him didn't really stand out to me, he was pretty unspectacular. Or if by chance Misa falls to us, it's always been one of those 3 and i really haven't seen anything in Desnoyers, and the other guy to change my mind.
- BetweenTheDots

This should be a fun exercise for you Dots. You have the players that you like, but you also have a lot of faith that the FO is diligent and will pick the right player.

If the pick is Desnoyers or Frondell, (or even O'Brien who I've seen mocked to them) you may have some internal struggles to work through.