Not sure on this but can teams make trades during the playoffs? I belive they cannot but just clarification
- Scott1977

Teams can make trades, but playoff teams cannot add any traded players to their playoff rosters

If you're flying into Midway it's not far west of there or out of your way. Nobody in the family lives close to there, but every holiday my brother-in law in Brookfield is the closest and picks up something from there. It's outstanding. As Rico said, as good a bakery as there is.
- 6628

It sure is, most holidays a family member brings Hoska and another random treat.

Story here with a short embedded interview regarding Hagens. According to one of the talking heads, there is concern about his size and he could fall out of the top 5. Guy says he's closer to 5-9 than 5-11. The article says he struggled in college against older and heavier competition, but still had a good year.

https://thehockeynews.com...-nhl-upside-remains-elite

Anybody else notice this new site? Several of the bloggers are former HockeyBuzz writers.The operator of the site says he wants coverage for all 32 teams by the beginning of next season. As of now they have bloggers for about half the teams. No one for Chicago yet.

https://hockeyhotstove.com/

My road map for the Blackhawks offseason.
3rd overall comes down to f Misa is taken. If taken matone is the pick
Offersheet Will Culley 4x 4.5 cost 2nd round Chicago pick
Trade for howard from Tampa reichel kurashev rights and Toronto's 1stfor howard and ax4th and rights to perbeix.
Free agency
Sign matner 7 x 13 million if he is interested

Other moves I would expect to happen is maybe thec3rd overall is in play for immediate . Will be a very interesting and aggressive offseason by Davidson and company.
- Scott1977

I'm a big Cuylle fan too, Scott. Big 23 yr old who brings it physically and plays a nice simple straight line game who gets to dirty areas with pleasure that got him 20 goals and 45 pts in just his 2nd full NHL season. Best I know he did so with just bottom 6 minutes ...... He'd look marvelous in a Hawk's jersey.

Scott, Cuylle is what I hope Spellacy develops into.

Also retained 50% of Kane's salary for a second rounder. Can you remember anyone ever getting less for a future Hall of Famer?
- stevefrmglencoe

Convientely leave out the fact that Kane had a no trade clause (which i'm sure you'll blame current GM for the previous GM agreeing to) and would only go to one team.

Found this site which is projecting term and $$$ for upcoming RFA and UFA contracts.

https://docs.google.com/s...ywXZl0Twjo/htmlview?pli=1

Some of the big names-
Marner - 8 x 12.57M

Boeser - 7 x 9M

Ehlers - 6 x 7.5M

Knies - RFA - Bridge - 2 x 4M
Long Term - 6x 6.25M

Cuylee - RFA - 3 x 3.4M (I agree with earlier posters about offer sheeting him at around 4 x 4.6M, the upper limit of a second round pick compensation.)

Some Hawks -
Donato - 2 x 2.4M. (A lot less than the supposed 4 x 4M offer on the table. I think Donato will be disappointed with other offers if he goes to market.)

Kaiser - RFA - 3 x 2M (I think he'll sign for a bit more, say 3 x 2.25M)

Crevier - RFA - 1 x 800K (about right)

Soderblom - RFA- 1 x 1.23M

How is Trent Frederic and his return a realistic comp fopr Kane. Believe it or not, doing mostly right by players who have been franchise stalwarts actually plays well when you’re courting FA’s, drafting and signing players etc.

That’s not a trade that makes or breaks the rebuild afaic. Korchinski and Rinzel’s paths to the NHL are very different and Sam plying 2 years in college looks to have him ready already.
- HawkintheD

Frederic was an unrestricted free agent traded from an also ran to a contender. Kane was an unrestricted free agent traded from an also ran to a contender.

If Kyle deems Misa is that much better than everyone else left in the draft, then maybe but wouldn't it make more sense to trade assets for Knies than Misa if you're gonna go that route?
To me, if Misa/Schaefer are off the board, then Kyle should try his best to trade back. See if there's a team that's locked in on one of the prospects not named Misa/Schaefer and make a deal. On the outside looking in, there doesn't seem to be too much distance between Martone, Hagens, Desnoyers, and Frondell.
Also, I'm wondering if there's a team in the top 6-10 that won't be picking BPA and will reach for a D like Mrtka/Aitcheson thus causing a forward to fall.
- Assman22

AssMan, wondering how you see this. Probably 1/2 way into the season I thought as long as the Hawks get a top 4 pick they'll be good but with Frondell's push maybe that could be revised to a top 5 pick would be good.

Well, they have the 3rd pick so it looks very good to get one of the best players in the draft.

Do you agree? If not how far are you comfortable dropping if they trade down?

For me, if they do trade down to 5 or below the return has to be very good cuz if I'm at 6 or 7 I wanna swing on the very risky (injury concerns about his back the last TWO yrs) McQueen.

Decent enough chance his back is plain bad so if that happens I want the trade down compensation to counter balance that risk...... I don't have to squint to see McQueen being one of the best 2-3 players in this draft 10 yrs out. But, a 6ft 5in nasty type with back issues as a 17 and 18yr old is concerning but man the upside.

Convientely leave out the fact that Kane had a no trade clause (which i'm sure you'll blame current GM for the previous GM agreeing to) and would only go to one team.
- vabeachbear

Not blaming him. Didn't like how it dragged out in public all season and did not like the return.

KD is infallible on HB.

Found this site which is projecting term and $$$ for upcoming RFA and UFA contracts.

https://docs.google.com/s...ywXZl0Twjo/htmlview?pli=1

Some of the big names-
Marner - 8 x 12.57M

Boeser - 7 x 9M

Ehlers - 6 x 7.5M

Knies - RFA - Bridge - 2 x 4M
Long Term - 6x 6.25M

Cuylee - RFA - 3 x 3.4M (I agree with earlier posters about offer sheeting him at around 4 x 4.6M, the upper limit of a second round pick compensation.)

Some Hawks -
Donato - 2 x 2.4M. (A lot less than the supposed 4 x 4M offer on the table. I think Donato will be disappointed with other offers if he goes to market.)

Kaiser - RFA - 3 x 2M (I think he'll sign for a bit more, say 3 x 2.25M)

Crevier - RFA - 1 x 800K (about right)

Soderblom - RFA- 1 x 1.23M
- boilermaker100

Great to see you posting, BM....... I doubt he'd go for it but giving Tavares 13-15 mil per for 2 yrs to come teach the kids, especially the skilled ones and the centermen, and produce too wouldn't be a bad option.

If KD comes outa the offseason with a win over the long haul youngish 2C vet there wouldn't be a need for a Tavares but he there are scenarios that would be a good option.

He can still play. From the dots down Tavares is still elite and is an ace faceoff man.

AssMan, wondering how you see this. Probably 1/2 way into the season I thought as long as the Hawks get a top 4 pick they'll be good but with Frondell's push maybe that could be revised to a top 5 pick would be good.

Well, they have the 3rd pick so it looks very good to get one of the best players in the draft.

Do you agree? If not how far are you comfortable dropping if they trade down?

For me, if they do trade down to 5 or below the return has to be very good cuz if I'm at 6 or 7 I wanna swing on the very risky (injury concerns about his back the last TWO yrs) McQueen.

Decent enough chance his back is plain bad so if that happens I want the trade down compensation to counter balance that risk...... I don't have to squint to see McQueen being one of the best 2-3 players in this draft 10 yrs out. But, a 6ft 5in nasty type with back issues as a 17 and 18yr old is concerning but man the upside.
- Mr Ricochet

Sounds a little like Daze.

AssMan, wondering how you see this. Probably 1/2 way into the season I thought as long as the Hawks get a top 4 pick they'll be good but with Frondell's push maybe that could be revised to a top 5 pick would be good.

Well, they have the 3rd pick so it looks very good to get one of the best players in the draft.

Do you agree? If not how far are you comfortable dropping if they trade down?

For me, if they do trade down to 5 or below the return has to be very good cuz if I'm at 6 or 7 I wanna swing on the very risky (injury concerns about his back the last TWO yrs) McQueen.

Decent enough chance his back is plain bad so if that happens I want the trade down compensation to counter balance that risk...... I don't have to squint to see McQueen being one of the best 2-3 players in this draft 10 yrs out. But, a 6ft 5in nasty type with back issues as a 17 and 18yr old is concerning but man the upside.
- Mr Ricochet

I think trading back to #5-6 and Kyle’s still in tier 1. Earlier, I floated the trade back with Preds scenario of 3 and 34 for 5 and 21.
One of Lakovic, Bear, Carbonneau, or Spence could fall there with the plethora of d-men in tier 2 plus the possibility of Ravensbergen going before 21. I think Kyle may have Spence high on his draft board given Kyle’s type and he’s essentially Martone-light. I’d like to see them go for a true scorer with the TOR pick and roll the dice on Ryabkin and have him start the season in Rockford with Levshunov.
If Hawks end up with Martone, Spence, and Ryabkin in the 1st, they immediately get bigger and nasty plus a true scorer who also likes to get chippy.

The gamble is that KK still has 1st pair ceiling/potential and might still be the best playmaker/passer out of the young D core the Hawks have. If he reaches his potential he would also be PP1, as with the right talent they can run 3F and 2D.

Edit: With this draft considered to have not much gap between the top tier and the next tier, it's really going to be interesting.
- breadbag

Point taken. No doubt about it when you trade a 20-21 yr old with KK's skillset and draft pedigree you're taking a very big risk. I'm not for or against it only that if a scenario presents that the other guy wants KK there has got to be a very good case made that moving him will make the Hawks better.

And on this point the Hawks are moving into a different phase where they will really start leaning on the pro scouts as situations like the possibility of moving a KK become reality. ......

Looks like the amateur scouts have given the organIzation a couple baskets of legit talent/prosdpects now it's up to the pro scouts to objectively and properly evaluate those prospects as pros.

It's been said a million times that the trick is knowing which of your prospects ain't gonna cut it, or never reach their perceived ceiling, before the league does and move them before they do.......... How does the organIzation feel about KK in that regard?

Pro scouting is now critical as they have their own legit pros to properly evaluate going forward.

But yea BB, loads of risk moving a KK but just might be a fantastic opportunity too.

I think trading back to #5-6 and Kyle’s still in tier 1. Earlier, I floated the trade back with Preds scenario of 3 and 34 for 5 and 21.
One of Lakovic, Bear, Carbonneau, or Spence could fall there with the plethora of d-men in tier 2 plus the possibility of Ravensbergen going before 21. I think Kyle may have Spence high on his draft board given Kyle’s type and he’s essentially Martone-light. I’d like to see them go for a true scorer with the TOR pick and roll the dice on Ryabkin and have him start the season in Rockford with Levshunov.
If Hawks end up with Martone, Spence, and Ryabkin in the 1st, they immediately get bigger and nasty plus a true scorer who also likes to get chippy.
- Assman22

Spence may prove to be a diamond. He’s a big point a game two way player who kills penalties, is a strong forechecker, he’s very physical and he’s a nuisance with his chippiness and his constant chattering.

Sounds a little like Daze.
- bjphawkfan

Great comp. Big skilled dudes who can skate. McQueen though has some legit nasty in his personality. ..... Thinking about it that style ain't exactly conducive to a guy with a bad back playing long.

Lotta risk and enormous upside with McQueen just like Daze. I don't think he falls outa the top 10 though.

Great to see you posting, BM....... I doubt he'd go for it but giving Tavares 13-15 mil per for 2 yrs to come teach the kids, especially the skilled ones and the centermen, and produce too wouldn't be a bad option.

If KD comes outa the offseason with a win over the long haul youngish 2C vet there wouldn't be a need for a Tavares but he there are scenarios that would be a good option.

He can still play. From the dots down Tavares is still elite and is an ace faceoff man.
- Mr Ricochet

You are correct, from the dots down he’s elite, that’s why he’s so dangerous on the PP. The challenge with Tavares is that he’s not very strong defensively and that is due to his speed. I’d rather overpay for three years of Bennett, however guys like Tavares and Bennett will probably lean towards signing with a contender.

I'm a big Cuylle fan too, Scott. Big 23 yr old who brings it physically and plays a nice simple straight line game who gets to dirty areas with pleasure that got him 20 goals and 45 pts in just his 2nd full NHL season. Best I know he did so with just bottom 6 minutes ...... He'd look marvelous in a Hawk's jersey.

Scott, Cuylle is what I hope Spellacy develops into.
- Mr Ricochet

I’d take Cuylle as well, especially for a 2nd round pick, heck I’d offer Allan and a 3rd for him.

Not blaming him. Didn't like how it dragged out in public all season and did not like the return.

KD is infallible on HB.
- stevefrmglencoe

I don't think he's infallible, i just believe your criticism of him are reaches.

I remember Kane dragging his feet, so much so KD had to publicly say we are waiting on Kane to make a decision on where to go. I believe Kane was planning on settling down here since he started a family and i believe didn't want to leave.

So in your eyes he handled Kane wrong, Perry wrong, Donato wrong, Korchinski wrong even though they came out and said that he was reinforcing bad habits in Seattle, now maybe Rinzel, I'm with fattybeef on this one, Rinzel will be playing with the Blackhawks next season i don't think AHL has anything to offer him in development, when he can play at an NHL level.

Spence may prove to be a diamond. He’s a big point a game two way player who kills penalties, is a strong forechecker, he’s very physical and he’s a nuisance with his chippiness and his constant chattering.
- paulr

Really liked Spence the times I saw him play. Probably have to trade up from the TOR pick to get him.

I don't think he's infallible, i just believe your criticism of him are reaches.

I remember Kane dragging his feet, so much so KD had to publicly say we are waiting on Kane to make a decision on where to go. I believe Kane was planning on settling down here since he started a family and i believe didn't want to leave.

So in your eyes he handled Kane wrong, Perry wrong, Donato wrong, Korchinski wrong even though they came out and said that he was reinforcing bad habits in Seattle, now maybe Rinzel, I'm with fattybeef on this one, Rinzel will be playing with the Blackhawks next season i don't think AHL has anything to offer him in development, when he can play at an NHL level.
- BetweenTheDots

I would add that Kane was playing really bad that season until he decided he wanted to be traded and went on a little run. It wasn't "the team" being bad either, he was dragging very clearly.

Story here with a short embedded interview regarding Hagens. According to one of the talking heads, there is concern about his size and he could fall out of the top 5. Guy says he's closer to 5-9 than 5-11. The article says he struggled in college against older and heavier competition, but still had a good year.

https://thehockeynews.com...-nhl-upside-remains-elite
- boilermaker100

I just don't see it if he truly is the most talented of the group. Reading his profile i wouldn't mind another burner on the team with skill. I've seen plenty of small forwards do very well for themselves in the regular season and playoffs. I thought Jasper Bratt was the best forward for the Devils in the playoff games i watched.

There's this crazy thing i witness and am always amazed by some players, they call it hockey IQ but damn man they always just seem to know where the puck is going to be, does Hagens have this? If scouting him and this is one of his intangibles game after game and with that skill set the Blackhawks have to draft him 3rd OA. Size only matters if your slow.

I see that little guy playing defense for the Habs and he's really fricking good. He also has all those assists because the kid can pass it on the money for one timers all over the ice.

I don't think he's infallible, i just believe your criticism of him are reaches.

I remember Kane dragging his feet, so much so KD had to publicly say we are waiting on Kane to make a decision on where to go. I believe Kane was planning on settling down here since he started a family and i believe didn't want to leave.

So in your eyes he handled Kane wrong, Perry wrong, Donato wrong, Korchinski wrong even though they came out and said that he was reinforcing bad habits in Seattle, now maybe Rinzel, I'm with fattybeef on this one, Rinzel will be playing with the Blackhawks next season i don't think AHL has anything to offer him in development, when he can play at an NHL level.
- BetweenTheDots

Thanks for saving me the keystrokes.

I don't think he's infallible, i just believe your criticism of him are reaches.

I remember Kane dragging his feet, so much so KD had to publicly say we are waiting on Kane to make a decision on where to go. I believe Kane was planning on settling down here since he started a family and i believe didn't want to leave.

So in your eyes he handled Kane wrong, Perry wrong, Donato wrong, Korchinski wrong even though they came out and said that he was reinforcing bad habits in Seattle, now maybe Rinzel, I'm with fattybeef on this one, Rinzel will be playing with the Blackhawks next season i don't think AHL has anything to offer him in development, when he can play at an NHL level.
- BetweenTheDots

Please be sure to add that I believe he handled the Vlasic contract bad as well. No need to relitigate it, but when Vlasic is a UFA at 29 in his prime and this board goes nuts over him leaving, there was no reason to give him that exit. Hope KD has learned to get Bedard on a 2 year bridge then an 8 year contact so the Hawks keep him for what will likely be the most productive years of his career.


As for the AHL not having anything to offer, did Vlasic benefit? Did Nazar? Will Lev? Is Korchinski benefiting? These are kids playing against men in the NHL. In most cases they are playing against their idols. Not being on a poorly coached, horrible NHL team, and losing night after night is valuable. Not sure if any of these guys will accomplish what Keith did in his career and he even played 2 years in the AHL.