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Matt_Foleys_bro
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.11.2012

Monday @ 8:09 PM ET
IF they're really high on Misa, would they consider their #3 and say a prospect (or something) to move up 1 spot???
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Monday @ 9:50 PM ET
3rd OA, so no Schaefer, probably no Misa, the scouting department has their work cut out for themselves.
- BetweenTheDots

We pull a Trubisky and move up from 3 to 2.
rpeters01
Season Ticket Holder
Joined: 07.09.2016

Monday @ 9:50 PM ET
IF they're really high on Misa, would they consider their #3 and say a prospect (or something) to move up 1 spot???
- Matt_Foleys_bro

Reichel!
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Monday @ 10:07 PM ET

Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers
Not much Blackhawks coaching news from Kyle Davidson's media availability. He did say Anders Sörensen remains in the mix and talked up how the younger players got better under Sörensen this season.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Monday @ 10:49 PM ET
I will say this, if anyone has watched any basketball playoff game lately, the NHL by far has such a better product now.

Another great game tonight
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Monday @ 11:45 PM ET
I would of fired him after seeing how Faber played for the Wild, just a terrible trade.
- BetweenTheDots


Except for the fact they got Fiala (60pts in 81 games) in the trade who was over 1 PPG in the PO's and Clarke ended up providing more than Faber did this year (in far less ice time)... but sure, stick with that line of thinking.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Monday @ 11:49 PM ET
Except for the fact they got Fiala (60pts in 81 games) in the trade who was over 1 PPG in the PO's and Clarke ended up providing more than Faber did this year (in far less ice time)... but sure, stick with that line of thinking.
- Chunk


35 goal scorers just grow on trees.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Monday @ 11:49 PM ET
Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers
Not much Blackhawks coaching news from Kyle Davidson's media availability. He did say Anders Sörensen remains in the mix and talked up how the younger players got better under Sörensen this season.

- LAHawk


Setting the expectation LA?
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Monday @ 11:50 PM ET
35 goal scorers just grow on trees.
- LAHawk


Dots is gonna lose his poop when KD trades KK and a pick for Knies.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Monday @ 11:51 PM ET
Setting the expectation LA?
- Chunk


Davidson’s words, not mine.
bjphawkfan
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Woodridge, IL
Joined: 07.02.2016

Monday @ 11:54 PM ET
The NHL needs to suspend Bennett. That was a hell of an elbow!
wiz1901
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: DraftSite com, IL
Joined: 05.14.2008

Tuesday @ 12:07 AM ET
And don’t think the Blackhawks draft team is going to sour on two way centre and big-bodied Anton, who really gets power and punch into his shots. Or are they ignoring the Q’s Caleb Desnoyers, who very well could blossom into the best impact forward of the class. Right now, there’s scat interest of any collisions, until the team begins to rally around each other later in the game . It tough cast aspersions on the youngest player on Moncton roster and he is their leader. He is their on-ice leader in slowing things, maintaining puck possession, and every instance where he asserts physical engagements, hustle, and careful stick work, and he is able to keep his motor revving when the opportunity arises. Projections would begin with if he skates to the jump to maintain it each shift, just like his decisions on defensive engagement with their puck carriers. He looks like a top six wing after he builds more of his game.
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Tuesday @ 12:08 AM ET
The NHL needs to suspend Bennett. That was a hell of an elbow!
- bjphawkfan

You think so ,did not look like that much .The shot to the head that blew his helmet off earlier looked far more damaging .
captainserious
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 02.24.2010

Tuesday @ 4:35 AM ET
And don’t think the Blackhawks draft team is going to sour on two way centre and big-bodied Anton, who really gets power and punch into his shots. Or are they ignoring the Q’s Caleb Desnoyers, who very well could blossom into the best impact forward of the class. Right now, there’s scat interest of any collisions, until the team begins to rally around each other later in the game . It tough cast aspersions on the youngest player on Moncton roster and he is their leader. He is their on-ice leader in slowing things, maintaining puck possession, and every instance where he asserts physical engagements, hustle, and careful stick work, and he is able to keep his motor revving when the opportunity arises. Projections would begin with if he skates to the jump to maintain it each shift, just like his decisions on defensive engagement with their puck carriers. He looks like a top six wing after he builds more of his game.
- wiz1901


Hi Wiz

You've talked about Frondell to the Hawks but you've got him at #7 at lines?

And this piece about Martone's skating:

All the talk about his skating has been blown to an unbelievable level of silliness; this is a guy who can dangle and move quickly. Would you want more get off in his first steps? Sure, but don't think for one minute he will be an anything but an excellent pro, and improve his boots as he continues down the path to the NHL.

Does Martone move like Colton Dach? Or better?
Last year and at the beginning of this year I honestly can't remember much talk about his skating being an issue.

I also think I read somewhere that the Flarida 1st rounder is now officially a '26 draft pick? Not sure what the context of the whole '26 or '27 first rounder was?
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Tuesday @ 6:59 AM ET
4-4-4-3-4

If I had to guess where the Hawks will end up after tonight, I’d say #3.

- DarthKane


Look at you
vabeachbear
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Ft Courage - out in the middle of Indian Country, NC
Joined: 10.17.2011

Tuesday @ 7:09 AM ET
And don’t think the Blackhawks draft team is going to sour on two way centre and big-bodied Anton, who really gets power and punch into his shots. Or are they ignoring the Q’s Caleb Desnoyers, who very well could blossom into the best impact forward of the class. Right now, there’s scat interest of any collisions, until the team begins to rally around each other later in the game . It tough cast aspersions on the youngest player on Moncton roster and he is their leader. He is their on-ice leader in slowing things, maintaining puck possession, and every instance where he asserts physical engagements, hustle, and careful stick work, and he is able to keep his motor revving when the opportunity arises. Projections would begin with if he skates to the jump to maintain it each shift, just like his decisions on defensive engagement with their puck carriers. He looks like a top six wing after he builds more of his game.
- wiz1901



Its interesting to me. Less than a year ago, if you said that the Hawks would be in position to draft James Hagens, everyone would have been over the moon.

He had a very solid freshman year at BC, thought he stood out on a very talented US world jrs, but he's dropping down to not even be a top 5 pick?

I'm not an elvalutator, but don't understand. I know he's not huge, but 5-11" 180 as a frosh isn't tiny either.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Tuesday @ 7:17 AM ET
Except for the fact they got Fiala (60pts in 81 games) in the trade who was over 1 PPG in the PO's and Clarke ended up providing more than Faber did this year (in far less ice time)... but sure, stick with that line of thinking.
- Chunk


It's just simple math, Doughty is going to be 36 years old, Fiala 28 and has only won you playoff births, Clarke and Faber are 22 your RD position is set for the next however many years.

Besides isn't there a value chart and LWs aren't very high on it like RD and Centers?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Tuesday @ 7:40 AM ET
Dots is gonna lose his poop when KD trades KK and a pick for Knies.
- Chunk


Why trade for him when a better version of him will be sitting at pick number 3?
SC116
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 08.29.2015

Tuesday @ 8:23 AM ET
...

I'm not an evaluator, but don't understand. I know he's not huge, but 5-11" 180 as a frosh isn't tiny either.

- vabeachbear


My thinking too ... kid projects as a wing at the NHL level maybe? Ok - so we can use a winger - kid looks to fit the mould that KD has drafted to for the team; I think Hawks go which of Schaeffer, Misa, or Hagens that's available on the day with their first pick.

boilermaker100
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 06.23.2015

Tuesday @ 9:11 AM ET
Scott Powers
@ByScottPowers
Not much Blackhawks coaching news from Kyle Davidson's media availability. He did say Anders Sörensen remains in the mix and talked up how the younger players got better under Sörensen this season.

- LAHawk


I can see Sorensen being named the coach for at least a couple of years. The Hawks are still in developmental mode. Anders could be the point A to Point B coach, and when the team is ready to make an impact in the playoffs, KFC or whomever can hire the veteran Q-like coach to take them to Point C. I think in a couple of years the Chicago coaching job will be more sought after.

I'm slightly disappointed in the lottery results. I was hoping for Misa to be available, but I don't think he'll be around at 3. Still, they should be able to get a quality player. Looking back over the past three lotteries, the Hawks moved up once, stayed in the same position once, and now slipped down a bit. I guess the drop was to be expected. They still have one lottery win in their back pocket over the next 2 years, so they can move up from 7-10 (hopefully) next draft.
Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Tuesday @ 9:17 AM ET
Ivar was about 5 ft tall when he told us that he was going to be a first rounder. Been watching him ever since and he looks great 5'11" and 180lbs. Knut is coming soon.

Went to Milwaukee Saturday night to see the future. I hope I am wrong but is Lev slow or just playing slow? The D looks decent but who on that forward group is going to make a difference in an NHL playoff series? Dach? Savoie? Thompson? Seems like there is still a long way to go.

- stevefrmglencoe


Steve, anything you post about Hawk practices or any level of hockey you happen to see or been following is very very helpful in this day an age of paywalls everywhere you go to get something with some meat on it.

And especially so when you're posting what you see on Hawk draft picks, especially top 5 picks so your Lev thoughts are helpful. As far as what Lev looks like right now a guy like you who sees a kid at 5ft and follows him to being a 6 footer you understand and see what development is.

With Lev, for me, it's gotta be to look at his path as my first thing to do in evaluating him. He leaves his homeland in Belarus as a 17 yr old kid to a new continent and doesn't speak the language. First yr turns heads in the USHL and the Hawks draft him. Leaves and plays 1 yr at Michigan State.

This yr the Hogs/Hawks/AHL/NHL. Good Lord, that is a meteoric rise. 3 yrs from playing Belarus Jrs to playing in the NHL!! A new continent, didn't speak the language, never in 1 place for more than a yr here. Didn't speak the language.

That's crazy, and as you know tells you a whole lot about the kid. He's big (6ft 2 in 210 lbs), has shown explosion, buttery hands, is a good balanced skater, and his skating will improve, rangy, very athletic who reads and reacts. All this and he's 19 gonna be 20 late Oct.... All the traits needed to go beast mode in the NHL when he's a man.

As long as he doesn't regress I pretty much don't care what he looks like as he figures it out until he's 23 or so. That's when we see what we get in a 23 yr old that moved to a new continent as a 17 yr old, weighs 220lbs, with the luxury of having been in the same place for more than a yr to develop properly and has 250 AHL/NHL games experience.

I see a lot of Doughty in this kid, but a better skater but someone compared him to Brent Burns which is a very good observation. I can see that as a kind of floor, a flawed, big, talented ,mobile Dman that puts up points and a ceiling of a Doughty type who runs the ice when he's on it impacting the game in all 3 zones, all game long.

To me Lev is the poster child of a kid who needs developing cuz he's so young and his interupted meteoric rise. ........ I see the kid impacting NHL games in many different ways when he's a grown man.
Chunk
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Why did I move back here again?, IL
Joined: 11.06.2015

Tuesday @ 9:34 AM ET
Why trade for him when a better version of him will be sitting at pick number 3?
- BetweenTheDots


Why not have two of those monster forwards when you won't be able to ice all of the defensive talent anyway?

I'm not dug in on trading KK at all, but let's just look at the total situation. At this moment, Rinzel and Lev are ahead of him for PP duty (not sure if there is any value in having a left shot PP QB vs right, but just based on talent). Beyond just that point the current deck is (in no particular order):

Murphy
Vlasic
Del Mastro
Kaiser
Allan
KK
Crevier

From a roster construction standpoint, you probably want some road graders/defensive specialists to fill out the bottom. Again, I'm not leading the charge to trade him, but you can't keep them all.
HawkintheD
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Sick Bay, MI
Joined: 02.22.2012

Tuesday @ 9:49 AM ET
Ivar was about 5 ft tall when he told us that he was going to be a first rounder. Been watching him ever since and he looks great 5'11" and 180lbs. Knut is coming soon.

Went to Milwaukee Saturday night to see the future. I hope I am wrong but is Lev slow or just playing slow? The D looks decent but who on that forward group is going to make a difference in an NHL playoff series? Dach? Savoie? Thompson? Seems like there is still a long way to go.

- stevefrmglencoe


Maybe some of the guys already on the roster like Bedard or Nazar or some of the guys filtering through RFD (if they play there next year) like Moore or Greene or some of the guys still making their way up like Boisvert, Lardis, Vanacker, or Kantserov.

You mention Dach who I thought started to play well and looking like he could carve out a role in the lineup next year before he got hurt. It looked like he had taken some coaching to heart and was hitting guys but not getting out of position when doing it, winning and some board battles and scoring some greasy goals.

If he is on the team in the next few yrs and playing that type of game in a bottom or middle six role, those are exactly the kind of guys you need to make a difference in a playoff series.

Yes still a long way to go but the sun’s starting to peek out from behind the clouds…for me anyway.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Tuesday @ 9:52 AM ET
Why not have two of those monster forwards when you won't be able to ice all of the defensive talent anyway?

I'm not dug in on trading KK at all, but let's just look at the total situation. At this moment, Rinzel and Lev are ahead of him for PP duty (not sure if there is any value in having a left shot PP QB vs right, but just based on talent). Beyond just that point the current deck is (in no particular order):

Murphy
Vlasic
Del Mastro
Kaiser
Allan
KK
Crevier

From a roster construction standpoint, you probably want some road graders/defensive specialists to fill out the bottom. Again, I'm not leading the charge to trade him, but you can't keep them all.

- Chunk


He might be out best left defenseman in 2 to 3 years, that's why. It's illogical to want to trade him now when we can keep and develop him. Urgency will (frank) any rebuild ask the Rangers.
Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Tuesday @ 9:56 AM ET
Why not have two of those monster forwards when you won't be able to ice all of the defensive talent anyway?

I'm not dug in on trading KK at all, but let's just look at the total situation. At this moment, Rinzel and Lev are ahead of him for PP duty (not sure if there is any value in having a left shot PP QB vs right, but just based on talent). Beyond just that point the current deck is (in no particular order):

Murphy
Vlasic
Del Mastro
Kaiser
Allan
KK
Crevier

From a roster construction standpoint, you probably want some road graders/defensive specialists to fill out the bottom. Again, I'm not leading the charge to trade him, but you can't keep them all.

- Chunk

Agree, and you forget Levshunov. When it’s all set and done, I believe that Vlasic, EDM, Artie and Rinzel will be the top four. While KK has a high ceiling, you have excess dmen and out the group of Allan, KK, Kaiser and Crevier, KK has the most value.
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