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Angotti
Season Ticket Holder
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 07.03.2019

Friday @ 7:23 PM ET
Kaiser is better than Allan, EDM and KK. He is the one that was doing it with tougher QoC than any of those 3. He also a far better skater than all 3 of them.

The Swede is a nothing. He probably isn't even coming over. He isn't going to supplant Lev and Rinzel.

- Elbows15

Kaiser is a better skater than Allan and EDM, however I lean towards EDM as having the best career with the Blackhawks, I just like what he brings, especially with all the skill from the other guys. That’s just my opinion and hunch. That being said, these guys are all so young, that who knows which one(s)will grow the most, the bottom line is that I’m glad that they’re all Hawks property.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 12:27 AM ET
It's pretty impressive how the talented kids eliminate the(more talented Carolina affiliate) AHL wolves from the playoffs.

Glad to see Korchinski having success in these, (whopping 2 games) playoffs. I think there's a little more to Korchinski being in the positive because he's getting better at playing his position.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 12:33 AM ET
Kaiser is a better skater than Allan and EDM, however I lean towards EDM as having the best career with the Blackhawks, I just like what he brings, especially with all the skill from the other guys. That’s just my opinion and hunch. That being said, these guys are all so young, that who knows which one(s)will grow the most, the bottom line is that I’m glad that they’re all Hawks property.
- Angotti


I see the same with EDM Lou, he's going to be a pain in the ass to play against once, hopefully, he gets consistent
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 12:36 AM ET
My biggest question with Kaiser is, is it sustainable he can play at the speed and quickness he demonstrates in flashes?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 12:38 AM ET
It will be interesting to see what happens with the draft lottery. If the Hawk’s luck out and pick number one do they draft Schaefer? If they do is KD inclined and if so can he put a package together to try to land an NHL ready forward or try to get the second or third pick to try to acquire Misa, Hagens or Martone? Either way I’d guess Toronto’s first plus a prospect or two would be required to make the trade.
- paulr


I know you're really hoping, but let's see if it actually happens first.


breadbag
Location: Edmonton, AB
Joined: 11.30.2015

Saturday @ 12:58 AM ET
Was he? His first season in the NHL was at age 22. I don't remember him being near the player he ultimately was. Same kind of rookies mistakes that Kaiser makes. Keith played a full 82 that year and ended with 21 pts and -11 (for whatever that is worth). In 98 career games over three years, Kaiser has 18 pts and is -4 (He's even the last two years).

By no means am I making the comparison that Kaiser is the second coming, but Keith wasn't great out the shoot either.

- Chunk


I mean, Keith got off to a very good start his first seaosn.

Keith was the Hawks #1 minute D his first season, He was the #1 PK D and faced the opponents top lines. Was really strong breaking up plays with his stick and also added 9 goals mostly all even strength. I just don't think you can compare a guy who steps into the NHL playing almost 24 minutes a night with a with an 18 minute guy who bounced around the 2nd and 3rd pair most nights.


Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Saturday @ 3:47 AM ET
Yeah, I wasn't trying to poop on Arty. My opinion of the guy (I think) is pretty well known here. I'm all in on him. Just pointed out that he had a play that he would want back with a minute left. He'll learn.
- Chunk


Indeed. Nothing like skating 25-26 minutes a night in a playoff setting to get pushed to your limits to gain invaluable experience. RKF is getting more and more valuable in the developmental process for a whole slew of prospects.

Commesso, like the rest of em, is being pushed to his limits in these playoffs and comes up aces. Hogs win the series v the Wolves 2 games to zip and now move on getting more valuable playoff games...... Commesso goes 2-0, kicks out 66 of 67 shots in the 2 games not allowing a goal the last 104:00!


Mr Ricochet
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Joliet, IL
Joined: 04.19.2009

Saturday @ 3:59 AM ET
Saturday night is a big game in the U-18 WJC tournament US and Sveden meet, both are 2-0. 7:00 PM puck drop on NHL Network....... Two games into this tournament the Svedish squad has 5 of the top 6 scoring leaders. https://www.iihf.com/en/events/2025/wm18



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35Tony0
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Chicago Blackhawks
Location: Springfield, IL
Joined: 05.10.2015

Saturday @ 9:30 AM ET
Happy to see Hagel suspended for one game. Likely out of character for him, but a cheap shot is a cheap shot.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Saturday @ 9:49 AM ET
Happy to see Hagel suspended for one game. Likely out of character for him, but a cheap shot is a cheap shot.
- 35Tony0

He seems to have personal hatred towards that Panthers squad and it pulls out his inner demons. Now his Lightning team is down 2-0 heading into the Panthers house without him (one of their best forwards).
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 10:46 AM ET
Happy to see Hagel suspended for one game. Likely out of character for him, but a cheap shot is a cheap shot.
- 35Tony0


I don't know it was such a bang bang play and the Panthers are checking constantly i didn't think it was that egregious. It was more like check or be checked.
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Saturday @ 11:04 AM ET
I don't know it was such a bang bang play and the Panthers are checking constantly i didn't think it was that egregious. It was more like check or be checked.
- BetweenTheDots


If someone did that to Bedard you would be shouting from the top of the mountain that he should be suspended for life.

What happened to the NHL has to do a better job of protecting their stars?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 11:12 AM ET
If someone did that to Bedard you would be shouting from the top of the mountain that he should be suspended for life.
- LAHawk


1 its been a physical series, Barkov is chasing the puck, how is he not aware that Hagel is there, shoulder to shoulder hit, other than Hagel losing track of the puck I thought there was nothing wrong with it. I would be upset if that happened to a Blackhawks player sure but theres gotta be some awareness by Barkov.

I didn't like Moore getting hit by Guhle but Guhle didn't get suspended a game for that hit.
Assman22
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: San Francisco, CA
Joined: 04.13.2012

Saturday @ 11:15 AM ET
I don't know it was such a bang bang play and the Panthers are checking constantly i didn't think it was that egregious. It was more like check or be checked.
- BetweenTheDots

Left his feet though
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 11:17 AM ET
Left his feet though
- Assman22


No his feet are still on the ground when he makes contact with him

If they consider that leaving his feet then they can call that on every hockey player in the league
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 11:27 AM ET
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=gO4UsysWwvk

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=owJ3P24w9sE

Aren't these virtually the same hits and honestly Guhle gets way more of Moores head on his hit?

LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Saturday @ 11:31 AM ET
1 its been a physical series, Barkov is chasing the puck, how is he not aware that Hagel is there, shoulder to shoulder hit, other than Hagel losing track of the puck I thought there was nothing wrong with it. I would be upset if that happened to a Blackhawks player sure but theres gotta be some awareness by Barkov.

I didn't like Moore getting hit by Guhle but Guhle didn't get suspended a game for that hit.

- BetweenTheDots[/

Different scenarios, the puck was coming towards Moore, Barkov never touched and eas chasing the puck.

BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 11:33 AM ET
[quote=BetweenTheDots]1 its been a physical series, Barkov is chasing the puck, how is he not aware that Hagel is there, shoulder to shoulder hit, other than Hagel losing track of the puck I thought there was nothing wrong with it. I would be upset if that happened to a Blackhawks player sure but theres gotta be some awareness by Barkov.

I didn't like Moore getting hit by Guhle but Guhle didn't get suspended a game for that hit.

- LAHawk[/

Different scenarios, the puck was coming towards Moore, Barkov never touched and eas chasing the puck.


So both players never touched the puck and both players didn't see the hit coming, yea really different scenario, plus Hagel never hit Barkov in the head

Grasping
LAHawk
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.02.2017

Saturday @ 11:44 AM ET
So both players never touched the puck and both players didn't see the hit coming, yea really different scenario, plus Hagel never hit Barkov in the head

Grasping

- BetweenTheDots


Obviously you never played the sport the understand the difference when you are on the ice.
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Saturday @ 11:55 AM ET
1 its been a physical series, Barkov is chasing the puck, how is he not aware that Hagel is there, shoulder to shoulder hit, other than Hagel losing track of the puck I thought there was nothing wrong with it. I would be upset if that happened to a Blackhawks player sure but theres gotta be some awareness by Barkov.

I didn't like Moore getting hit by Guhle but Guhle didn't get suspended a game for that hit.

- BetweenTheDots

Barkov should have been aware to be attacked when he hadn’t touched the puck? There’s a level of awareness expected from every player on the ice but that doesn’t extend to a dirty, cowardly cheap shot. Hagel is a player I have always liked but this is on him 100%.
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 12:46 PM ET
Barkov should have been aware to be attacked when he hadn’t touched the puck? There’s a level of awareness expected from every player on the ice but that doesn’t extend to a dirty, cowardly cheap shot. Hagel is a player I have always liked but this is on him 100%.
- paulr


So how is that hit different than the one on Moore?

Honestly what really surprised me is Hagel has got to be giving up 20lbs to Barkov and he crumpled from the hockey hit that we see all the time in the league
oldduffman
Chicago Blackhawks
Joined: 11.06.2013

Saturday @ 12:47 PM ET
Barkov should have been aware to be attacked when he hadn’t touched the puck? There’s a level of awareness expected from every player on the ice but that doesn’t extend to a dirty, cowardly cheap shot. Hagel is a player I have always liked but this is on him 100%.
- paulr

It was not that bad of a hit ,sure not worth a
Playoff game .!! Saw much worse in these playoffs ,did not even get 2min . Caufield cross check to the face with blood . Just one example, of many .
And there is nothing cowardly about Hagel game .






BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 12:49 PM ET
It was not that bad of a hit ,sure not worth a
Playoff game .!! Saw much worse in these playoffs ,did not even get 2min . Caufield cross check to the face with blood . Just one example, of many .
And there is nothing cowardly about Hagel game .

- oldduffman


I know it wasn't a head shot or anything, the panthers are running over everyone in the series and Barkov is out there skating like he's got nothing to worry about?
BetweenTheDots
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: IL
Joined: 06.13.2015

Saturday @ 12:56 PM ET
Obviously you never played the sport the understand the difference when you are on the ice.
- LAHawk


Is that your smoking gun

Hahaha
paulr
Chicago Blackhawks
Location: YYZ
Joined: 06.26.2011

Saturday @ 1:13 PM ET
So how is that hit different than the one on Moore?

Honestly what really surprised me is Hagel has got to be giving up 20lbs to Barkov and he crumpled from the hockey hit that we see all the time in the league

- BetweenTheDots

I wasn’t comparing the hit to any other hit.

Hagel crumpled Barkov, despite the weight mismatch, because he hit him with a dirty unexpected hit.
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