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Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 1:42 PM ET
Briere on TK extension:

This tells me the two sides are not close. I don't think it's a slam dunk TK gets extended. Later on in the same article Briere states regarding having as many as 10 picks in the upcoming draft:

"We're looking at every option," he said. "It gives us the chance to maybe be open-minded to being creative with something different."

I like it!

- jd250


no offense but you love everything that comes out of the triumvirates mouths...
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 7 @ 1:45 PM ET
Who cares what message it sends. It is the best move for the teams future. Trading Konecny and Laughton is not trading everyone. You claim you need top picks. Would trade Farabee for the 11th overall pick. Now they're nothing more than lottery picks. You're a walking contradiction.
- MJL

Ok, enough of your nonsense and twisting of words. I never said the Flyers should not trade Laughton or Farabee. I have also stated they should trade TK if his demands are astronomical. I said repeatedly that IF the Flyers target a player they should be aggressive, move up and get that player. However, whether they get that player or not, it's not a lock that player develops into the the player they hoped for, thus its a lottery pick. I am in favor of trading solid NHL players who have reached their ceiling and are pretty much what they are, players like Laughton and Farabee. However I would be much more cautious of trading TK and would not part with him unless they could not agree on an extension and a deal comes up that blows them away.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 1:46 PM ET
He may ask for the sun and the moon and that is TKs right, however it does not mean he will get it, especially from Briere.
- jd250


enlighten me on DB negotiation skills. i haven't seen anything that tells me DB is a world class negotiator to date.
Pelle Schultz
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Rockville Centre, NY
Joined: 09.13.2018

Jun 7 @ 1:46 PM ET
Farabee is under contract for 4 more yrs @ 5 million. With the cap rising and if he continues to produce as a top 6 winger, he should be valued at a least a 1st rd pick as a return. Not a top 5 pick, but BUF @ 11 may be achievable.
- Trox88


Farabee is also from upstate NY, so who knows? But given the Flyers lack of depth on the left side (as opposed to the overload on the right), trading Farabee for futures would create another hole in the forward lines. A truly rebuilding team would do it...but probably not one with the Flyers' mindset.

For what it's worth, Michkov is a left-shooting right wing. Be nice if some of the overload of right wingers (who all shoot right) could convert to the other side on a full-time basis.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 1:47 PM ET
Ok, enough of your nonsense and twisting of words. I never said the Flyers should not trade Laughton or Farabee. I have also stated they should trade TK if his demands are astronomical. I said repeatedly that IF the Flyers target a player they should be aggressive, move up and get that player. However, whether they get that player or not, it's not a lock that player develops into the the player they hoped for, thus its a lottery pick. I am in favor of trading solid NHL players who have reached their ceiling and are pretty much what they are, players like Laughton and Farabee. However I would be much more cautious of trading TK and would not part with him unless they could not agree on an extension and a deal comes up that blows them away.
- jd250


Farabee is not done developing. The kid is 24 years old... stop w the nonsense.


anti-lame
Joined: 11.02.2021

Jun 7 @ 1:48 PM ET
so, for people who have a job as a scout they are under the radar?

they are 4th line and 3rd pair dman. They can be found every summer.

seeler with a NTC for 2 years is funny as hell.

- hello it's me 2050


yes, they are 4th line and 3rd pair dman. and they are good in their roles. so why keep searching for something when you have it? how much cap savings are you talking about? and are they better? you want to be in a perpetual state of moving guys in and out? why? because "they can be found?" why are you so hung up on 2 years of a NTC? we signed him because we want him here for at least those 2 years.


jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 7 @ 1:50 PM ET
no offense but you love everything that comes out of the triumvirates mouths...
- Flyfly

Not offended. I like this leadership group and I am rooting for them to succeed. I think they have done a good job so far and have been honest as much as they can be with the fans. I spoke to a Flyers fan just last night at an event who lives close to Philly and he echoed this sentiment. This leadership group is getting this franchise back on track. There is a general excitement around the Flyers and people are talking about them. I think all the negativity towards them on this forum is unfounded and downright unfair.
jd250
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 01.12.2018

Jun 7 @ 1:52 PM ET
Farabee is not done developing. The kid is 24 years old... stop w the nonsense.
- Flyfly

I have seen a lot of hockey in my life, IMO he is done developing. He is a solid NHL forward, nothing more.
WhiskeyMan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: PA
Joined: 04.27.2018

Jun 7 @ 1:53 PM ET
I don't agree.

A good GM has the forward thinking to understand where his team is. Konecny, Laughton, Walker, Seeler, should have all been made available. No matter how good this year went, your not building for this year, or even next year. You need to plan for 3-4 years out.

- J35Bacher


If he is not signing TK to a new contract, I think it is better to trade him in the 24-25 season trade deadline. Next years draft is supposed to be deeper than this years.

He got a first for Walker.

Maybe he tried to move Laughton but was not offered anything worth while in a trade. Yes people bring up the STL trade rumor, but it was just a rumor with nothing backing it.

I am 50/50 on Seeler. Like him as a player, I don't think he would gotten anything worth while in a trade. What do you think the Flyers would have gotten in a trade for him?
MBFlyerfan
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Be nice from now on, NJ
Joined: 03.17.2006

Jun 7 @ 2:00 PM ET
Farabee is not done developing. The kid is 24 years old... stop w the nonsense.
- Flyfly


And if anything, Konecny and Laughton are the players who are who they are at this time.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:00 PM ET
Briere on TK extension:

This tells me the two sides are not close. I don't think it's a slam dunk TK gets extended. Later on in the same article Briere states regarding having as many as 10 picks in the upcoming draft:

"We're looking at every option," he said. "It gives us the chance to maybe be open-minded to being creative with something different."

I like it!

- jd250


GM posturing. I'd be completely shocked if Konecny is not re-signed by the Flyers and announced in early July.


Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 2:00 PM ET
I have seen a lot of hockey in my life, IMO he is done developing. He is a solid NHL forward, nothing more.
- jd250


as someone who has seen a lot of hockey, coached, and played collegiately I still think the kid has room to grow. He needs to be more consistent for sure but he is not done developing.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 2:01 PM ET
And if anything, Konecny and Laughton are the players who are who they are at this time.
- MBFlyerfan


Exactly! We know what those players are.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
But who says TK doesn't fit the current team's position? Why doesn't he? Why does every rebuild take several years in people's minds? Rebuilding does not equate to jettison every good player a team has, it just doesn't.
- jd250


Rebuilding requires trading your best assets for future assets. That is what Konecny is. Successful rebuilds take years. That's just the fact. You have no clue.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 2:02 PM ET
I have seen a lot of hockey in my life, IMO he is done developing. He is a solid NHL forward, nothing more.
- jd250


So when DB says Farabee is still developing you don't agree with him?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:03 PM ET
Yes, Celebrini is the projected top pick, but he is IMO far from a sure bet to be a franchise NHL player.
- jd250


You've moved the goalposts
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:04 PM ET
Ok, enough of your nonsense and twisting of words. I never said the Flyers should not trade Laughton or Farabee. I have also stated they should trade TK if his demands are astronomical. I said repeatedly that IF the Flyers target a player they should be aggressive, move up and get that player. However, whether they get that player or not, it's not a lock that player develops into the the player they hoped for, thus its a lottery pick. I am in favor of trading solid NHL players who have reached their ceiling and are pretty much what they are, players like Laughton and Farabee. However I would be much more cautious of trading TK and would not part with him unless they could not agree on an extension and a deal comes up that blows them away.
- jd250


LOL, where did I say or imply that you said the Flyers should not trade Konecny or Laughton. You can't read!
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:06 PM ET
Ok, enough of your nonsense and twisting of words. I never said the Flyers should not trade Laughton or Farabee. I have also stated they should trade TK if his demands are astronomical. I said repeatedly that IF the Flyers target a player they should be aggressive, move up and get that player. However, whether they get that player or not, it's not a lock that player develops into the the player they hoped for, thus its a lottery pick. I am in favor of trading solid NHL players who have reached their ceiling and are pretty much what they are, players like Laughton and Farabee. However I would be much more cautious of trading TK and would not part with him unless they could not agree on an extension and a deal comes up that blows them away.
- jd250

so what if a deal doesn't come up that blows them away and TK insist on 9.5 per for 8 years then what do you do?
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:07 PM ET
Not offended. I like this leadership group and I am rooting for them to succeed. I think they have done a good job so far and have been honest as much as they can be with the fans. I spoke to a Flyers fan just last night at an event who lives close to Philly and he echoed this sentiment. This leadership group is getting this franchise back on track. There is a general excitement around the Flyers and people are talking about them. I think all the negativity towards them on this forum is unfounded and downright unfair.
- jd250



The current Flyers brass hasn't come close to being honest as much as they can be with the fans. You're an example of the kind of fan they're targeting with their deceit. Parroting buzz words like leadership and culture. You're the target! Bullseye!
Stayin alive
Joined: 06.10.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:07 PM ET
Just gonna throw this out there for the dummies that don’t understand what draft capital can do….
2025 draft flyers hold 2(1st) round picks and 3(2nd) round picks as Colombus is definitely gonna push this years 2nd to next year.

You trade all these mid players tk/laughts etc and add to those top 2 round picks next year. Assuming you get a 1st and 2nd round pick next year minimum for just those 2 players you’re looking at 7 picks next year top 2 rounds minimum and literally opens up almost every possibility.


You add this year what you can at draft and focus on those picks next year
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:08 PM ET
yes, they are 4th line and 3rd pair dman. and they are good in their roles. so why keep searching for something when you have it? how much cap savings are you talking about? and are they better? you want to be in a perpetual state of moving guys in and out? why? because "they can be found?" why are you so hung up on 2 years of a NTC? we signed him because we want him here for at least those 2 years.
- anti-lame

because you collect assets when you are in the position the flyers are in then find the next seeler to pump and ump until you're a contender.

why would you give a ntc to guys of seelers ilk? it is fn mind boggling.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 2:09 PM ET
I have seen a lot of hockey in my life, IMO he is done developing. He is a solid NHL forward, nothing more.
- jd250



You have probably seen a lot of hockey but have no clue of what you're looking at. Farabee is more than solid. He is in the top 15% or so of goal scorers in the NHL. You don't even have common sense when it comes to evaluating players, let alone hockey knowledge.
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 2:09 PM ET
Not offended. I like this leadership group and I am rooting for them to succeed. I think they have done a good job so far and have been honest as much as they can be with the fans. I spoke to a Flyers fan just last night at an event who lives close to Philly and he echoed this sentiment. This leadership group is getting this franchise back on track. There is a general excitement around the Flyers and people are talking about them. I think all the negativity towards them on this forum is unfounded and downright unfair.
- jd250

great troll job. love it
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 2:12 PM ET
When exactly should these players have been made available? Sean Walker and Nick Seeler both surpassed expectations in season while we were winning. In fact nobody knew Seeler would be the league’s leading shot blocker and nobody knew what Sean Walker would be heading into season at all. By just acquiring Sean Walker last June, you would have had to sell low on both players. Sean Walker doesn’t bring us a first round pick if he didn’t player here.
- roenick97


At the trade deadline.

These guys are not cornerstone players. They should have been moved at the trade deadline or this offseason.


J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 2:18 PM ET
because you collect assets when you are in the position the flyers are in then find the next seeler to pump and ump until you're a contender.

why would you give a ntc to guys of seelers ilk? it is fn mind boggling.

- hello it's me 2050


The Flyers need to build a base. You have Michkov. If you move Konecny and Laughton you have those pieces. You have 2 first this year and next.

All those pieces can be the start of a base. Maybe Farabee and York are part of that.

But they need to put a base together and then build out from that. Not sure why people aren't understanding that.

Keeping Konecny at this point is does nothing to help that in my eyes. He is a nice piece and will probably function nicely but doesn't do anything to move you forward.
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