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Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 11:51 AM ET
I think Briere should extend Konecny, as long as they can find a good number. TK is a home grown player, he was draft and developed by the Flyers. What kind of message does it send to the rest of the players and the league that the Flyers refused to pay an all-star and home grown player? TK is not a $10M/yr player but I think there is a number and term that both sides can agree upon that will set TK for life. We need good players on this team, you can't trade everyone for draft picks which are nothing more than lottery tickets.
- jd250


Or, TK is going to ask for the moon on both term and aav. If I am TK I want to get paid and I want to win. What has this organization done in his time here to actually win? They have been pretty abysmal. If I am TK I want to win and cash out. He owes nothing to the Flyers and I doubt there will be any discount from his side.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 11:52 AM ET
Wrong and wrong.
- Tomahawk


In this draft he is the best "sure bet" there is
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 11:53 AM ET
I think Briere should extend Konecny, as long as they can find a good number. TK is a home grown player, he was draft and developed by the Flyers. What kind of message does it send to the rest of the players and the league that the Flyers refused to pay an all-star and home grown player? TK is not a $10M/yr player but I think there is a number and term that both sides can agree upon that will set TK for life. We need good players on this team, you can't trade everyone for draft picks which are nothing more than lottery tickets.
- jd250

that matters why?

send a great message. they will not cave to demands. shows they will embrace a real rebuild instead of keep kicking the can down the road.

he already set for life.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 7 @ 11:54 AM ET
Firstly, Celebrini is far from a sure bet and secondly, Flahr has demonstrated that he is an excellent drafter.
- jd250


Celebrini is the surest bet in this draft. Flahr wasn’t an excellent drafter in Minnesota and I don’t see it in Philly. He’s decent maybe a little better but excellent is a reach.

hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 11:54 AM ET
Firstly, Celebrini is far from a sure bet and secondly, Flahr has demonstrated that he is an excellent drafter.
- jd250

laughable. what has shown to warrant this high praise while running the flyers draft?
hello it's me 2050
Location: AR
Joined: 05.14.2021

Jun 7 @ 11:55 AM ET
sure but not in a silo, other moves have to be made and the number needs to be one that can be traded. All that only if they are not receiving value for TK in the offers they are receiving.
- wcorvette

so if they dont get value for a tk trade then just re-sign him? that is such flawed logic.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 11:59 AM ET
that matters why?

send a great message. they will not cave to demands. shows they will embrace a real rebuild instead of keep kicking the can down the road.

he already set for life.

- hello it's me 2050



haha.

People are worried about the wrong things.

"Build a winner and they will come"- in James Earl Jones voice
mikeyo27
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: NJ
Joined: 01.18.2014

Jun 7 @ 12:01 PM ET
I don't think Utah is going to give up their 1st pick unless there is a serious overpay. They just moved to Utah and are most likely keeping the pick.
- Flyfly


But the owner gave the FO marching orders to win. I think that puts the pick in play. Utah ownership wants to make a splash. That’s not to say they will give the pick away, but there could be a “wow” factor if the commish says “we have a trade to announce” and Utah ends up with an immediate impact player or players. Can the Flyers offer such a package? Maybe but it would prolly be an overpay.
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 7 @ 12:03 PM ET
In this draft he is the best "sure bet" there is
- Flyfly


As long as he stays healthy he's a slam dunk 1st-line player.
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 12:04 PM ET
As long as he stays healthy he's a slam dunk 1st-line player.
- Tomahawk


Absolutely
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 7 @ 12:08 PM ET
Flahr wasn’t an excellent drafter in Minnesota and I don’t see it in Philly. He’s decent maybe a little better but excellent is a reach.
- Minnyhock


I'm sure the Wild are happy that they have Boldy instead of Cam York.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:11 PM ET
so if they dont get value for a tk trade then just re-sign him? that is such flawed logic.
- hello it's me 2050


IMO they’ll kick the can down the road. They’ll make a call on him after seeing how they start.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:11 PM ET
Again, my concern is it's not a strategy to wait for players to fall to you at 12. I really hope the Flyers are aggressive and get a top player in this draft they target. They have enough draft capital and other assets to do it.
- jd250


Of course it's a strategy. Teams do it every year.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:15 PM ET
Or Utah. I think they already have a lot of prospects and young players, they want to move forward quickly I would think given they are moving to a new city and want to energize their new fanbase. But it comes down to how Flahr and his scouts evaluate the tiers in this draft. If the top tier is maybe 3 or 4 players deep and the then next tier of player is 8-10 players deep, the Flyers might decide to stand pat.
- jd250


Are you saying then that it could be a strategy to wait for a player to fall to you at 12? Short period of time for that reversal. Might be a record.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:15 PM ET
I'm sure the Wild are happy that they have Boldy instead of Cam York.
- Tomahawk


Paul Fenton was a bad choice as a GM. But his 1st pick ever selecting Boldy was a great move.

MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:17 PM ET
The 6th pick in a defenseman heavy draft is not going to move the needle for them and excite their fanbase. They want to be good quickly and unless they are drafting Makar, and there are no Makars in this draft, they are going to want to use the assets they have to get good players and contend much sooner than later. At lease that is what I think they would want to do.
- jd250


This is far more likely to be what you want versus what Utah wants.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:18 PM ET
I would trade Farabee for the 11th pick if one of the players I have targeted is there. It depends on how the dominos fall.
- jd250


Why would Buffalo trade the 11th overall pick for a player that you deem is okay with okay skill?
Tomahawk
Location: Driver's Seat: Mitch Marner bandwagon. Grab 'em by the Corsi.
Joined: 02.04.2009

Jun 7 @ 12:20 PM ET
Paul Fenton was a bad choice as a GM. But his 1st pick ever selecting Boldy was a great move.
- Minnyhock


Meanwhile Chuck and the "excellent drafter" thought it would be cute to trade down from #11 while a top talents like Boldy and Caufield were still on the board.
MJL
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Candyland, PA
Joined: 09.20.2007

Jun 7 @ 12:22 PM ET
I think Briere should extend Konecny, as long as they can find a good number. TK is a home grown player, he was draft and developed by the Flyers. What kind of message does it send to the rest of the players and the league that the Flyers refused to pay an all-star and home grown player? TK is not a $10M/yr player but I think there is a number and term that both sides can agree upon that will set TK for life. We need good players on this team, you can't trade everyone for draft picks which are nothing more than lottery tickets.
- jd250



Who cares what message it sends. It is the best move for the teams future. Trading Konecny and Laughton is not trading everyone. You claim you need top picks. Would trade Farabee for the 11th overall pick. Now they're nothing more than lottery picks. You're a walking contradiction.
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 12:24 PM ET
Meanwhile Chuck and the "excellent drafter" thought it would be cute to trade down from #11 while a top talents like Boldy and Caufield were still on the board.
- Tomahawk


Still not as bad as taking Jay O'Brien over K'Andre Miller at 19.
Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Jun 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
Who cares what message it sends. It is the best move for the teams future. Trading Konecny and Laughton is not trading everyone. You claim you need top picks. Would trade Farabee for the 11th overall pick. Now they're nothing more than lottery picks. You're a walking contradcition.
- MJL



I'm really torn if i'm giving them until the season or TDL to trade AT LEAST one of those guys or i'm printing my mocked up Philadelphia LIARS shirts.
Minnyhock
Minnesota Wild
Joined: 06.26.2021

Jun 7 @ 12:26 PM ET
Meanwhile Chuck and the "excellent drafter" thought it would be cute to trade down from #11 while a top talents like Boldy and Caufield were still on the board.
- Tomahawk


Chuck and Flahr made solid but not spectacular 1st round picks in Minnesota. It was after the 1st round where they were not very good.

Wingdestroyer
Philadelphia Flyers
Joined: 02.27.2020

Jun 7 @ 12:27 PM ET
Double post:

Go Flyers
Flyfly
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Wyomissing, PA
Joined: 06.23.2017

Jun 7 @ 12:27 PM ET
Still not as bad as taking Jay O'Brien over K'Andre Miller at 19.
- J35Bacher


But, JOB has the goods!
J35Bacher
Philadelphia Flyers
Location: Philadelphia, PA
Joined: 04.03.2014

Jun 7 @ 12:29 PM ET
Who cares what message it sends. It is the best move for the teams future. Trading Konecny and Laughton is not trading everyone. You claim you need top picks. Would trade Farabee for the 11th overall pick. Now they're nothing more than lottery picks. You're a walking contradcition.
- MJL



If the Flyers actually rebuilt and planned for 3,4 years down the road, they would have no issues bring in a free agents when ready.
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