That's fair, I just look at the history of GMs not trading out of the top 10. Maybe, this is year it happens with BUF and NJ already publically hinting their pick is for sale.
- Trox88

Or Utah. I think they already have a lot of prospects and young players, they want to move forward quickly I would think given they are moving to a new city and want to energize their new fanbase. But it comes down to how Flahr and his scouts evaluate the tiers in this draft. If the top tier is maybe 3 or 4 players deep and the then next tier of player is 8-10 players deep, the Flyers might decide to stand pat.

what pick do they need to move up to to get a top player?
- bradster

I think if the Flyers could swap picks with Utah they could get a top player they target.

Or Utah. I think they already have a lot of prospects and young players, they want to move forward quickly I would think given they are moving to a new city and want to energize their new fanbase. But it comes down to how Flahr and his scouts evaluate the tiers in this draft. If the top tier is maybe 3 or 4 players deep and the then next tier of player is 8-10 players deep, the Flyers might decide to stand pat.
- jd250

I don't think Utah is going to give up their 1st pick unless there is a serious overpay. They just moved to Utah and are most likely keeping the pick.

Friedman saying Buffalo 11 in play for top 6 forward. If they do the dumb thing an extend Konecny, would you offer Farabee?

Just a question. I actually like Farabee but curious what others think.

Or Utah. I think they already have a lot of prospects and young players, they want to move forward quickly I would think given they are moving to a new city and want to energize their new fanbase. But it comes down to how Flahr and his scouts evaluate the tiers in this draft. If the top tier is maybe 3 or 4 players deep and the then next tier of player is 8-10 players deep, the Flyers might decide to stand pat.
- jd250

The top 14 or so are pretty solid prospects with 4 or 5 falling just below that…Demidov is the next overall skill guy after Celibrini but there is a gluttony of D that depending on preference could go 2 to 12. A couple of the centres in there as well and a couple of skilled wingers…might be a year where a top 10 pick is in play. I am fine with Flyers staying at 12, unless it’s for Demidov I will not be upset if they don’t move up….all the moch drafts have Flyers all over the place.

Friedman saying Buffalo 11 in play for top 6 forward. If they do the dumb thing an extend Konecny, would you offer Farabee?

Just a question. I actually like Farabee but curious what others think.
- J35Bacher

Im open to trading anyone, but not sure what #11 gets you. Is #11 projected to be a 1st line player? Or top 6, top 4 ? We need 1st line players

Friedman saying Buffalo 11 in play for top 6 forward. If they do the dumb thing an extend Konecny, would you offer Farabee?

Just a question. I actually like Farabee but curious what others think.
- J35Bacher

What do we know about the Michkov situation? If he is able to play next season, there is zero reason to keep TK. I think Konency should be traded regardless but Michkov is even more of a reason.

What do we know about the Michkov situation? If he is able to play next season, there is zero reason to keep TK. I think Konency should be traded regardless but Michkov is even more of a reason.
- roenick97

I think he is in KHL another season.

In my arm chair mind, Konecny and Laughton are both moved. Think they are the 2 easiest moves the Flyers could make, especially if your able to get another 1st rounder for Konecny.

I will not move from that position. I wanted to hope Briere would bring a new line of thinking but I guess i'll be let down.

Friedman saying Buffalo 11 in play for top 6 forward. If they do the dumb thing an extend Konecny, would you offer Farabee?

Just a question. I actually like Farabee but curious what others think.
- J35Bacher

Farabee is under contract for 4 more yrs @ 5 million. With the cap rising and if he continues to produce as a top 6 winger, he should be valued at a least a 1st rd pick as a return. Not a top 5 pick, but BUF @ 11 may be achievable.

I don't think Utah is going to give up their 1st pick unless there is a serious overpay. They just moved to Utah and are most likely keeping the pick.
- Flyfly

The 6th pick in a defenseman heavy draft is not going to move the needle for them and excite their fanbase. They want to be good quickly and unless they are drafting Makar, and there are no Makars in this draft, they are going to want to use the assets they have to get good players and contend much sooner than later. At lease that is what I think they would want to do.

I don't think Utah is going to give up their 1st pick unless there is a serious overpay. They just moved to Utah and are most likely keeping the pick.
- Flyfly

The 6th pick in a defenseman heavy draft is not going to move the needle for them and excite their fanbase. They want to be good quickly and unless they are drafting Makar, and there are no Makars in this draft, they are going to want to use the assets they have to get good players and contend much sooner than later. At lease that is what I think they would want to do.

The 6th pick in a defenseman heavy draft is not going to move the needle for them and excite their fanbase. They want to be good quickly and unless they are drafting Makar, and there are no Makars in this draft, they are going to want to use the assets they have to get good players and contend much sooner than later. At lease that is what I think they would want to do.
- jd250

Exactly, we shall see but I don't think they are trading their 1st pick as a "new" franchise. If they were to trade w the Flyers what do we have that would "excite" the fanbase.

All of this talk about moving up in a not very deep draft. I rather stay at 12 and then add assets for 2025. Unless you are getting into the top 3 I don't think it is worth it. Draft boards are all over the place and history tells us there is not much movement at the top of the draft in terms of trades.

Farabee is under contract for 4 more yrs @ 5 million. With the cap rising and if he continues to produce as a top 6 winger, he should be valued at a least a 1st rd pick as a return. Not a top 5 pick, but BUF @ 11 may be achievable.
- Trox88

I would trade Farabee for the 11th pick if one of the players I have targeted is there. It depends on how the dominos fall.

Exactly, we shall see but I don't think they are trading their 1st pick as a "new" franchise.
- Flyfly

Yup, you could be right also.

I think he is in KHL another season.

In my arm chair mind, Konecny and Laughton are both moved. Think they are the 2 easiest moves the Flyers could make, especially if your able to get another 1st rounder for Konecny.

I will not move from that position. I wanted to hope Briere would bring a new line of thinking but I guess i'll be let down.
- J35Bacher

I don’t believe Briere has shown any signs of being a bad GM yet. The team was winning when we were expecting them not to, so the GM did what a GM should do and rode the wave. He even traded Sean Walker when we could have used him. That’s a good job but Danny B. Now should he extend TK, that’s a different argument entirely. His first mistake in my opinion.

The top 14 or so are pretty solid prospects with 4 or 5 falling just below that…Demidov is the next overall skill guy after Celibrini but there is a gluttony of D that depending on preference could go 2 to 12. A couple of the centres in there as well and a couple of skilled wingers…might be a year where a top 10 pick is in play. I am fine with Flyers staying at 12, unless it’s for Demidov I will not be upset if they don’t move up….all the moch drafts have Flyers all over the place.
- landros 2

And to be honest after watching Celebrini for a couple of years now, he's not Bedard. I'm not convinced he will be a dominant player in the league.

Im open to trading anyone, but not sure what #11 gets you. Is #11 projected to be a 1st line player? Or top 6, top 4 ? We need 1st line players
- bradster

There will likely be a few top-end players scattered amongst the first 15-20 picks but there are no guarantees or sure bets outside of Celebrini.

If you have the Flyers' recent track record you'd be lucky to even come out with a player as good as Farabee.

I don’t believe Briere has shown any signs of being a bad GM yet. The team was winning when we were expecting them not to, so the GM did what a GM should do and rode the wave. He even traded Sean Walker when we could have used him. That’s a good job but Danny B. Now should he extend TK, that’s a different argument entirely. His first mistake in my opinion.
- roenick97

I think Briere should extend Konecny, as long as they can find a good number. TK is a home grown player, he was draft and developed by the Flyers. What kind of message does it send to the rest of the players and the league that the Flyers refused to pay an all-star and home grown player? TK is not a $10M/yr player but I think there is a number and term that both sides can agree upon that will set TK for life. We need good players on this team, you can't trade everyone for draft picks which are nothing more than lottery tickets.

I don’t believe Briere has shown any signs of being a bad GM yet. The team was winning when we were expecting them not to, so the GM did what a GM should do and rode the wave. He even traded Sean Walker when we could have used him. That’s a good job but Danny B. Now should he extend TK, that’s a different argument entirely. His first mistake in my opinion.
- roenick97

I don't agree.

A good GM has the forward thinking to understand where his team is. Konecny, Laughton, Walker, Seeler, should have all been made available. No matter how good this year went, your not building for this year, or even next year. You need to plan for 3-4 years out.

There will likely be a few top-end players scattered amongst the first 15-20 picks but there are no guarantees or sure bets outside of Celebrini.

If you have the Flyers' recent track record you'd be lucky to even come out with a player as good as Farabee.
- Tomahawk

Firstly, Celebrini is far from a sure bet and secondly, Flahr has demonstrated that he is an excellent drafter.

I think Briere should extend Konecny, as long as they can find a good number. TK is a home grown player, he was draft and developed by the Flyers. What kind of message does it send to the rest of the players and the league that the Flyers refused to pay an all-star and home grown player? TK is not a $10M/yr player but I think there is a number and term that both sides can agree upon that will set TK for life. We need good players on this team, you can't trade everyone for draft picks which are nothing more than lottery tickets.
- jd250

sure but not in a silo, other moves have to be made and the number needs to be one that can be traded. All that only if they are not receiving value for TK in the offers they are receiving.

I think Briere should extend Konecny, as long as they can find a good number. TK is a home grown player, he was draft and developed by the Flyers. What kind of message does it send to the rest of the players and the league that the Flyers refused to pay an all-star and home grown player? TK is not a $10M/yr player but I think there is a number and term that both sides can agree upon that will set TK for life. We need good players on this team, you can't trade everyone for draft picks which are nothing more than lottery tickets.
- jd250

NOTHING. IT SAYS NOTHING.

It says the Flyers are looking at the big picture and trying to do it right for once. And if the Flyers rebuild it and become a consistent cup contender after all that, guess what, people will want to play here again.

And to be honest after watching Celebrini for a couple of years now, he's not Bedard. I'm not convinced he will be a dominant player in the league.
- jd250

I think at worst he’s a 1st line talent…not sure he’s a franchise guy but that term gets thrown around a little to often… to do what he did at BC as a 17-18 year old is pretty impressive… no he’s not Bedard but I think more on the lines of Jack Hughes.

I don’t believe Briere has shown any signs of being a bad GM yet. The team was winning when we were expecting them not to, so the GM did what a GM should do and rode the wave. He even traded Sean Walker when we could have used him. That’s a good job but Danny B. Now should he extend TK, that’s a different argument entirely. His first mistake in my opinion.
- roenick97

I agree here but with a twist. I don't know what DB is at this point. The Walker trade was not difficult - it was a no brainer. The extension of Seeler is "meh" at best. This offseason and season is where I think we will find out what Briere is about. He needs to get creative...

From where I stand just don't know yet. I am hopeful but right now but it is wait and see at this point.

Provy and Hayes getting moved was a good start though.

Firstly, Celebrini is far from a sure bet and secondly, Flahr has demonstrated that he is an excellent drafter.
- jd250

Wrong and wrong.